Its time for America to join the rest of the advanced world and offer universal healthcare to our citizens. It is the responsible and just thing to do.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;49554212]
Personally I think he should focus more on getting costs down. How about making things like a 500% profit illegal? Or making it so that if I spend the night in the ER and just get some water via IV that I don't spend $5,000? He just seems to hope that going to a unified system + subsidize everyone's health care will just bring costs down. I hate to say it but I'm getting more right leaning. Just look at the defense industry. A large industry paid for completely by the government that is bloated and not worth the money. Probably what this will turn into.[/QUOTE]
I wonder why this isn't talked about more often. You know the prices are BS when you pay $20 at the hospital for the same paper cup you put ketchup in at McDonalds because they call it a "medication transportation unit" with a pill dropped in it.
I'm glad that Sanders is pushing for having someone else pay for your schooling and your health care, but I think a good chunk of the problem is having unreasonable prices in the first place.
BTW the debate is pretty good, Bernie is berning Hillary while O'Malley is making shots at both
Never heard of O'Malley but he's not that bad, I kinda like him.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;49554833]I wonder why this isn't talked about more often. You know the prices are BS when you pay $20 at the hospital for the same paper cup you put ketchup in at McDonalds because they call it a "medication transportation unit" with a pill dropped in it.
I'm glad that Sanders is pushing for having someone else pay for your schooling and your health care, but I think a good chunk of the problem is having unreasonable prices in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Because if the U.S. had cost-efficient healthcare, such as if they dropped the fee-for-service model (which, as far as we know, would still be a component in Sanders' plan), single-payer healthcare wouldn't be necessary. It's much easier (and more-attractive) to 'make the rich pay for it' rather than actually fixing structural problems.
Mom was having some blood pressure issues and had to go to the hospital for a bit.
She was alright, but being in the bed alone cost $100. Just lying in the hospital bed. $100.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49554208]A Dem debate is happening in 45 minutes btw and you can watch it globally on YouTube
[media]https://youtu.be/ti2Nokoq1J4[/media][/QUOTE]
Holy fuck who thought that music for the breaks was a good idea.
"How about a string part that goes DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE DEE over and over for literally five minutes."
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49554423]No country is without faults, you are silly to believe that a country of 330+ million people 5 times that of the UK, won't be without faults[/QUOTE]
yes but these are unnecessary faults
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49555325]Isn't an ambulance ride like $1,000+ dollars?
I could rent a limo to take me to the hospital for cheaper. One with a minibar so I can pour alcohol and clean my wounds.[/QUOTE]
Sure, provided it's not a serious injury which is what ambulances are only intended for, such as spinal damage or having a leg sliced off. Pretty sure some insurance plans should cover ambulance callouts, it's part of the most basic private health insurance plans here, like the $10 per week ones.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49554335]If you break a leg in america, you may as well off yourself there since you'll just spend your life in debt[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49555325]Isn't an ambulance ride like $1,000+ dollars?
I could rent a limo to take me to the hospital for cheaper. One with a minibar so I can pour alcohol and clean my wounds.[/QUOTE]
This is what some people actually believe!
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49555359]This is what some people actually believe![/QUOTE]
Uh, have you ever received a bill for an ambulance ride?
this appeared in the last sanders thread, but it was shit resolution, so i borrowed a higher res version from the guys website. This enumerates how the various proposals sanders puts forward would be paid for.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/v4bDxUt.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49555359]This is what some people actually believe![/QUOTE]$1,252.61 for four stitches and a tetanus shot.
That was the last time I trusted anyone in my family with medical advice, and that was the last time I went into a hospital for anything. The next time I cut myself to the bone I picked out the bone chips, (just very small splinters of bone) cleaned the wound out with a sugar solution, and stitched the whole thing up with dental floss. All total it cost me about twenty bucks. Thing is though I shouldn't have to weigh the debt vs excruciating pain option in a first world country, I should be able to go in without a worry and get treated.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49555359]This is what some people actually believe![/QUOTE]
I went to a hospital for a serious stomach virus that had me on my ass for over a week straight, all they did was look me over, say yeah it's gastrointeritis, then they gave me one pill to stop my abdomen from spasming and another to reduce nausea, and told me to lay off work and rest, and that single visit cost me about $500. That's with about -$1200 in charity care reductions because of my income level. The doctor personally billed me separately from the hospital for $300 of it.
[QUOTE=Source;49554356]It still astounds me that the US considers itself one of the "best countries" in the world yet it still cannot find a way for everyone to have fair and easy access to healthcare.[/QUOTE]
because health insurance exists and employs thousands of people to deny other people coverage. unfortunatly the republicans will run with this not only bankrupting america (it probably won't if done right) and that it'll cost us tens of thousands of jobs (possibly right if private insurance became a luxury instead of a necessity for actual healthcare)
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;49554213]Ive always wondered.
How does your healthcare hold up if you need ICU+ongoing cancer treatment for a few months?
Is it REALLY free? And regardless if its free, is the care any good?[/QUOTE]
The NHS isn't perfect by a long shot but it's a damn sight better than this shit:
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49555424]$1,252.61 for four stitches and a tetanus shot.
That was the last time I trusted anyone in my family with medical advice, and that was the last time I went into a hospital for anything. The next time I cut myself to the bone I picked out the bone chips, (just very small splinters of bone) cleaned the wound out with a sugar solution, and stitched the whole thing up with dental floss. All total it cost me about twenty bucks. Thing is though I shouldn't have to weigh the debt vs excruciating pain option in a first world country, I should be able to go in without a worry and get treated.[/QUOTE]
If I have a problem big, small, emergency or not I don't have to worry about if I'm going to get treatment or how much it will cost.
most hospitals in the US can't refuse you in the case of emergency if you can't afford anything.. terrible debt usually ensues though.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;49554335]If you break a leg in america, you may as well off yourself there since you'll just spend your life in debt[/QUOTE]
I remember my first week of working in a hospital, as I was leaving the grounds one day there was a guy sitting on the sidewalk (so that security couldn't take him any further) and begging people for money. The guy showed me a freshly written prescription for a seizure medication and told me how he's homeless, was walking at night to find a place to sleep, and stepped in a hole (it's one of those little plastic electrical boxes that most cities have a million of, only this one didn't have the lid on it) and snapped his leg right in half, triggering his seizures and sending him to the hospital. They sent him out with no way of actually obtaining the seizure meds, just a prescription. As someone working in healthcare I can safely say the system is broken on all fronts: both patients and the facilities are basically getting fucked harder and harder with every interaction.
[editline]18th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sableye;49555541]because health insurance exists and employs thousands of people to deny other people coverage. unfortunatly the republicans will run with this not only bankrupting america (it probably won't if done right) and that it'll cost us tens of thousands of jobs (possibly right if private insurance became a luxury instead of a necessity for actual healthcare)[/QUOTE]
Insurance agencies deserve to go under. It's a sorry state for the employees but the country doesn't deserve to suffer for the sake of somebody too dull to find employment anywhere other than the gates of hell (I know you're not defending them, just saying).
[editline]18th January 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;49555032]Mom was having some blood pressure issues and had to go to the hospital for a bit.
She was alright, but being in the bed alone cost $100. Just lying in the hospital bed. $100.[/QUOTE]
To be honest this is pretty ridiculous to complain about. It's probably clear by now I'm not a big fan of healthcare costs and the way the industry works, but $100 to be tended to by a team of professionals probably being paid a collective $300~ an hour and taking up a bed that could be used for someone with a more serious condition is pretty reasonable man.
The US Healthcare is a joke. It'll never be universal because nothing costs what it's supposed to costs, it all costs THOUSANDS of percent more. I went and got a shot of Marcaine, which is Novacaine but lasts longer, and 2 Tylenol (Because fuck you they don't give out pain meds thanks to junkies that try to score them, despite my face being swollen like a baseball) It was 2 AM, I was the only one there and was in and out in 10 minutes and it cost me $650
An entire vial of Marcaine costs about $10, and you can buy syringes in packs of 10 for $3.
So please explain to me what the fuck. The fucking paper cup they brought the tylenol to me in, you know the ones you get at McDonalds to put catchup in, was on the bill for $20
[QUOTE=TheTalon;49555783]The US Healthcare is a joke. It'll never be universal because nothing costs what it's supposed to costs, it all costs THOUSANDS of percent more. I went and got a shot of Marcaine, which is Novacaine but lasts longer, and 2 Tylenol (Because fuck you they don't give out pain meds thanks to junkies that try to score them, despite my face being swollen like a baseball) It was 2 AM, I was the only one there and was in and out in 10 minutes and it cost me $650
An entire vial of Marcaine costs about $10, and you can buy syringes in packs of 10 for $3.
So please explain to me what the fuck. The fucking paper cup they brought the tylenol to me in, you know the ones you get at McDonalds to put catchup in, was on the bill for $20[/QUOTE]
Because the insurance companies manage to avoid paying so much of a hospital's bill all the time, the hospitals charge extra as a standard rate in order to compensate for the fact that insurance will only pay 40% of that or whatever. But when you walk in and get your simple treatment done, they charge $20 for a paper cup so they can get $0.40 out of it from insurance.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49555424]$1,252.61 for four stitches and a tetanus shot.
That was the last time I trusted anyone in my family with medical advice, and that was the last time I went into a hospital for anything. The next time I cut myself to the bone I picked out the bone chips, (just very small splinters of bone) cleaned the wound out with a sugar solution, and stitched the whole thing up with dental floss. All total it cost me about twenty bucks. Thing is though I shouldn't have to weigh the debt vs excruciating pain option in a first world country, I should be able to go in without a worry and get treated.[/QUOTE]
Rugged individualism!
Here in Clovis, NM, our hospital is pretty shit. There's many things that they can't take care of here, so for those things they have to air-lift you to Lubbock, TX, and every time someone tells me how much it costs for that helicopter ride I can't help but cringe. ($15,000)
lol nice try Obernie you commie.
[QUOTE=srobins;49555817]Because the insurance companies manage to avoid paying so much of a hospital's bill all the time, the hospitals charge extra as a standard rate in order to compensate for the fact that insurance will only pay 40% of that or whatever. But when you walk in and get your simple treatment done, they charge $20 for a paper cup so they can get $0.40 out of it from insurance.[/QUOTE]
Except I had to pay for it out of pocket
If my injury isn't going to cost more than $1,000 to treat, I don't get treatment because I'll have to pay for it
[QUOTE=polarbear.;49554833]I wonder why this isn't talked about more often. You know the prices are BS when you pay $20 at the hospital for the same paper cup you put ketchup in at McDonalds because they call it a "medication transportation unit" with a pill dropped in it.
I'm glad that Sanders is pushing for having someone else pay for your schooling and your health care, but I think a good chunk of the problem is having unreasonable prices in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Unreasonable prices are automatically combatted by having universal health care if the design is even remotely competent.
The hospital says "20 bucks for a medication transportation cup" and the government says "not if you want to maintain that contract for 350 million people."
[QUOTE=Shirt.;49555900]Rugged individualism![/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;YUXwDMqjC-A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUXwDMqjC-A[/video]
Healthcare is slavery.
The whole "healthcare is a right" line is pretty deceptive because a basic level of healthcare is already in a right in the US. The argument isn't whether healthcare is a right, but what level of healthcare should be a right.
It's similar to your right to an attorney. You have the right, but are only given it for free if you're unable to pay for it yourself.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49556392][Rand Paul vs. Bernie Sanders on Healthcare video]
Healthcare is slavery.[/QUOTE]
Sometimes the US just seems to alien to me. How can somebody sincerely believe that slavery comparison when it's never been a problem in the rest of the West (and other countries)?
Unrelated to the video, I can't fathom the fact that the US considers itself the greatest country in the world when we got people like JumpinJackFlash being forced to do something that you should only have to do if you're in a warzone with no access to a doctor. Another friend of mine has frequent problems with his toe and they can literally not afford to get him to a doctor so he always has to self-operate on it.
Like how is this even a thing? Are so many Americans masochistic that they'd prefer to spend the rest of their lives in debt if they e.g. accidentally shoot their foot off with one of their guns rather than have confidence that if they get hurt, they won't have to worry about living comfortably afterwards? Somebody help me understand :(
[QUOTE=Selek;49556513]Sometimes the US just seems to alien to me. How can somebody sincerely believe that slavery comparison when it's never been a problem in the rest of the West (and other countries)?
Unrelated to the video, I can't fathom the fact that the US considers itself the greatest country in the world when we got people like JumpinJackFlash being forced to do something that you should only have to do if you're in a warzone with no access to a doctor. Another friend of mine has frequent problems with his toe and they can literally not afford to get him to a doctor so he always has to self-operate on it.
Like how is this even a thing? Are so many Americans masochistic that they'd prefer to spend the rest of their lives in debt if they e.g. accidentally shoot their foot off with one of their guns rather than have confidence that if they get hurt, they won't have to worry about living comfortably afterwards? Somebody help me understand :([/QUOTE]
The large majority of US citizens have decent insurance that they're happy with.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49555424]$1,252.61 for four stitches and a tetanus shot.
That was the last time I trusted anyone in my family with medical advice, and that was the last time I went into a hospital for anything. The next time I cut myself to the bone I picked out the bone chips, (just very small splinters of bone) cleaned the wound out with a sugar solution, and stitched the whole thing up with dental floss. All total it cost me about twenty bucks. Thing is though I shouldn't have to weigh the debt vs excruciating pain option in a first world country, I should be able to go in without a worry and get treated.[/QUOTE]
See this is the kind of person that survives in an apocalypse situation
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