Angela Merkel wins third term as German chancellor, but grand coalition may be needed
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[QUOTE=The Saiko;42275138]Fucking Merkel why do People keep Voting the same shit over and over again.[/QUOTE]
Because Germany has become incredibly successful and powerful as a result of her policies...?
ELECTIONS OVER LETS GET PISSED
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[QUOTE=smurfy;42276240]ELECTIONS OVER LETS GET PISSED[/QUOTE]
I bet the SPD already are.
Here's a live overview of the result so far: [url]http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/bundestagswahl-2013-wahlergebnis-grafik-bundestag-wahlkreis-a-923496.html[/url]
For those who don't speak German:
The most interesting part for you is probably the Koalitionsrechner, which shows which parties can form a coalition with majority. If the Union (CDU/CSU, the two large Christian parties. The CSU is active only in Bavaria and therefore represents mostly katholic values.) reach 303+ seats they can rule alone. Right now they are two short.
If you click on Wahlkreise near at the top you can follow the counting progress. Grey areas don't have results yet. Aktualisieren (upper right) updates the data.
I wish the other parties would get along better, the problem with a coalition between Union and SPD is that their goals move in opposite directions in many ways.
[editline]22nd September 2013[/editline]
The electorates around Berlin seem to be still missing. The CDU/CSU is relatively weak there so it's unlikely that they get an absolute majority.
Hypothetically speaking, couldn't SDP form a coalition with the Greens and the Left? That seems like the only other ideologically consistent (relatively) result other than CDU-CSU ruling by themselves.
[QUOTE=Megafan;42280664]Hypothetically speaking, couldn't SDP form a coalition with the Greens and the Left? That seems like the only other ideologically consistent (relatively) result other than CDU-CSU ruling by themselves.[/QUOTE]
Yes, the SPD has stated numerous times that they're not gonna work with the Left however, both before and after election.
Doesn't mean they can't "reconsider" though.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;42280689]Yes, the SPD has stated numerous times that they're not gonna work with the Left however, both before and after election.
Doesn't mean they can't "reconsider" though.[/QUOTE]
Well, they're descended from the former ruling party in East Germany, so they tend to have a bad reputation. I'm just thinking it may be preferable to a coalition with conservatives.
so can anybody explain this or does nobody know how it works and are just talking about it
[editline]23rd September 2013[/editline]
i've been able to piece bits together thanks to the magic of google but it's not exactly easy to understand with my less than fluent german
[QUOTE=Megafan;42281364]Well, they're descended from the former ruling party in East Germany, so they tend to have a bad reputation. I'm just thinking it may be preferable to a coalition with conservatives.[/QUOTE]
It used to be the same with the greens, nobody wanted to form a coalition with them and now they're perfectly fine. Just give it some time and Red-Red-Green will become an option. Not this year though. As for the SPD and the Linkspartei not liking eachother, I think it has something to do with a guy called Oskar Lafontaine who used to be a member of the SPD and even ran for chancellor once. He suddenly left the SPD though and went ahead to join the Linkspartei. The SPD didn't like that.
Linkspartei and SPD can form a pretty good coalition, they did it in Berlin already for like 10 years iirc.
Maybe I just don't understand all of that though because it was before my time and isn't really taught in school. To me it just looks like two children fighting and that makes me sad.
[QUOTE=Dr. Insy;42281866]It used to be the same with the greens, nobody wanted to form a coalition with them and now they're perfectly fine. Just give it some time and Red-Red-Green will become an option. Not this year though. As for the SPD and the Linkspartei not liking eachother, I think it has something to do with a guy called Oskar Lafontaine who used to be a member of the SPD and even ran for chancellor once. He suddenly left the SPD though and went ahead to join the Linkspartei. The SPD didn't like that.
Linkspartei and SPD can form a pretty good coalition, they did it in Berlin already for like 10 years iirc.
Maybe I just don't understand all of that though because it was before my time and isn't really taught in school. To me it just looks like two children fighting and that makes me sad.[/QUOTE]
I think the major problem is that the Left has a "populist" reputation which translates to promising whatever the people want to hear without considering consequences or costs involved, something they're relatively free in doing because they can take shelter behind the "we're just a small party!" and the "we're just the opposition!" shelters that allow them to criticize and promise a lot without actually being obligated to go through with their changes (and their consequences).
SPD for example knew that raising the top tax rate beyond the magical 50% number could mean losing investors and thus stopped at 49% whereas the Left promised anything between 53% and 75% in the last couple moths.
Since SPD would still be the biggest of the three parties in the SPD-Left-Greens coalition, which means they'd still be the ones ultimately held responsible by media outlets, which means the Left could continue their habit more or less freely but with the added bonus of getting the credit every time the SPD tries something a bit more left than usual - and considering they'd rule with two left parties instead of having to compromise with the right Union, they probably would do that anyway.
[QUOTE=Megafan;42281364]Well, they're descended from the former ruling party in East Germany, so they tend to have a bad reputation. I'm just thinking it may be preferable to a coalition with conservatives.[/QUOTE]
As do I. However, the SPD has stated they will not form a coalition with the Left. They can still do that, but it'd be a very obvious breach of an election promise.
It's looking less likely now though since the CDU ended up not getting an absolute majority (over 50% of seats, required for forming a government) alone, meaning the SPD can still get in by working with them.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;42281370]so can anybody explain this or does nobody know how it works and are just talking about it
[editline]23rd September 2013[/editline]
i've been able to piece bits together thanks to the magic of google but it's not exactly easy to understand with my less than fluent german[/QUOTE]
What, specifically, would you like explained?
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