• Raul Castro calls on United States to 'respect our differences and get used to living peacefully'
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the embargo is completely dumb at this point, it's just hurting people, not sending any real political message other than "we can still do this even though nobody (except Israel) supports it. So yeah let's keep it going" I mean an American can't purchase or use a Cuban cigar ANYWHERE in the world. Like, when I move to Europe, I'm still not allowed. I mean yeah that's a really small and probably silly example but the restriction on my ability to purchase a consumer good just because it's Cuban is pretty silly, and the fact is that it restricts a lot more than just cigars, which is definitely hurting Cuba and probably not helping our image there or internationally.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;43278557]Honestly i may be wrong but the Castro family helped build Cuba to what it is today and they still continue to do that, the US doesn't give a fuck if their still communist they just want them sucking their dicks and that won't be happening any time soon[/QUOTE] how would cuba sucking some perverbial dick improve us/cuban relations? no the embargo has survived because our goverment still believes the cuban goverment is illegitimate and the people are still under a dictatorship, believe it or not thousands of people each year risk their lives on tiny rafts trying to come over here still, so cuba is not sunshines and rainbows like they would like you to think. relationships need to be built though, and easing the embargo would be a great step forward into ending some of these pointless cold war struggles
[QUOTE=Sableye;43279305]the embargo has survived because our goverment still believes the cuban goverment is illegitimate and the people are still under a dictatorship[/QUOTE] And your government thinks it has the right to do what the fuck it wants anywhere in the world. Don't forget that important detail.
[QUOTE=Quark:;43273318]I'd like to have a vacation in Cuba. I hear it's quite nice. Unfortunately, it's impossible to get a flight to Cuba from America. So I'll either have to go through Canada or Mexico and convert my American currency to either Canadian or Mexican. It's illegal in America to spend American money in Cuba. This embargo does no good at all. Cuba is a peaceful nation.[/QUOTE] I read somewhere it is illegal for American citizens to visit Cuba, even when going through another country.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;43278214]If I remember correct, the main reason the embargo is still in place is because all the Cuban exiles living in Florida throw tantrums every time there's talk of lifting it.[/QUOTE] I always assumed that it was enacted during the Missle crisis and forgotten about.
I know its wikipedia, but still [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba#Restrictions_on_tourism_by_U.S._citizens_and_residents[/url] It isn't illegal for Americans to visit Cuba, but it is illegal to make Financial transactions with Cuba, which is what you would be basically doing if you were there. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ZakkShock;43273422]A woman my mother works with has family in Cuba, and, I'm not sure how, but they routinely go on vacation there. She says it's really nice.[/QUOTE] Cuban-Americans are allowed to travel with less restrictions then ordinary American citizens.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;43275529]that is such a damn cop out. the US doesnt give a fuck about free elections they just give a fuck about getting the castro family out. US has shown time and time again that they don't really care about "spreading democracy" they just want to spread US hegemony and they would gladly let another dictator rule if they promise to obey US interests.[/QUOTE] That's why after the recent conflicts, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya have all had their governments dissolved and replaced with US-friendly dictators, right? Yeah, it's more about the Castros than about democracy but I think you've mixed up your US history books with Ancient Rome or something. As soon as the Castros are out, the embargo will drop, and it'll take a lot of political pressure to make it happen any sooner.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;43279345]And your government thinks it has the right to do what the fuck it wants anywhere in the world. Don't forget that important detail.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying our government doesn't have skeletons in its closet but it is better than a dictatorship... [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] and let's not forget the Cubans almost started ww3 over trying to piss off the u.s.by siding with the soviets and getting missiles...
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43273926]If you're in Cuba, how can American laws dictate that you're not allowed to spend their money?[/QUOTE] American laws dictate you cannot spend American currency in Cuba. If they discover that you have, you will be imprisoned upon reentry to American soil.
Is it true that the US is missing out on the real non-bacardi Havana Club rum because of the embargo? If yes, that should be reason enough to lift the embargo. Bacardi is for peasants.
[QUOTE=Sableye;43279880]I'm not saying our government doesn't have skeletons in its closet but it is better than a dictatorship... [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] and let's not forget the Cubans almost started ww3 over trying to piss off the u.s.by siding with the soviets and getting missiles...[/QUOTE] All that makes repressing their grandchildren perfectly all right, then.
[QUOTE=areolop;43274937]If the Castro family stepped down from power and allowed free elections the US would probably dissolve the embargo[/QUOTE] Fidel Castro arguably did more for Cuba than democracy could have ever achieved. The ends justify the means.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43280629]Fidel Castro arguably did more for Cuba than democracy could have ever achieved. The ends justify the means.[/QUOTE]That same logic could be used to justify the NSA spying programme in the context of keeping Americans safe from terrorists, or the Pakistan drone strikes for eliminating Taliban leaders. I'm not for the US embargo of Cuba, but that's a pretty silly thing to say.
[QUOTE=luverofJ!93;43275529]that is such a damn cop out. [/QUOTE] Well you are talking to areolop.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;43281008]That same logic could be used to justify the NSA spying programme in the context of keeping Americans safe from terrorists, or the Pakistan drone strikes for eliminating Taliban leaders. I'm not for the US embargo of Cuba, but that's a pretty silly thing to say.[/QUOTE] If you'd take a moment to learn about Cuba under Fulgencio Batista (a US-sponsored dictator), you would understand that Cuba is better off after the reign of Fidel Castro. You're also comparing apples to oranges.
[QUOTE=PolarEventide;43281361]If you'd take a moment to learn about Cuba under Fulgencio Batista (a US-sponsored dictator), you would understand that Cuba is better off after the reign of Fidel Castro. You're also comparing apples to oranges.[/QUOTE]You don't seem to quite understand. I'm not referring to Castro at all, i'm referring to the mentality that the end justifies the means. We could, for example, solve unemployment by putting the unemployed into near-slave labour like in Hitler's rearmament program. Very effective, extremely cheap labour to boost the economy, but surely a morally reprehensible means.
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