Massive fuckwit I know jailed for two years, for having sex with a 14 year old girl

[MaxOfS2D]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470613]So did girls evolve in the span of a hundred or so years to not be able to? Sounds like their rights have been taken away in that regard.[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you, but for the majority of human history, the average 14 year old girl wasn't even menstruating, much less ovulating. This makes conceiving difficult, don't you think?

The average age of first menarche was between 16 and 17 for most of history. It wasn't until the past hundred years or so, with improved childhood nutrition and medical care that puberty and the first period began to occur earlier - today the average is 12.

It's also worth noting that the majority of women and girls don't actually have functional periods accompanied by ovulation until 1-2 years after the first onset of menses. So in reality, you're looking at a minimum age of around 18/19 until most women were sexually mature and able to conceive for most of history.

[yaourt -Syua]

[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;39470698]I hate to break it to you, but for the majority of human history, the average 14 year old girl wasn't even menstruating, much less ovulating. This makes conceiving difficult, don't you think?

The average age of first menarche was between 16 and 17 for most of history. It wasn't until the past hundred years or so, with improved childhood nutrition and medical care that puberty and the first period began to occur earlier - today the average is 12.

It's also worth noting that the majority of women and girls don't actually have functional periods accompanied by ovulation until 1-2 years after the first onset of menses. So in reality, you're looking at a minimum age of around 18/19 until most women were sexually mature and able to conceive for most of history.[/QUOTE]

So it's only safe to assume that more so than ever, teenage girls and younger should be able to have sexual intercourse with whomever they desire.

[eddy-tt-]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470714]So it's only safe to assume that more so than ever, teenage girls and younger should be able to have sexual intercourse with whomever they desire.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying a 12 year old should be able to get the dick. The fuck is wrong with you, 16 is pushing it in my eyes and that's the UK legal limit.

[Ern]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470714]So it's only safe to assume that more so than ever, teenage girls [B]and younger[/B] should be able to have sexual intercourse with whomever they desire.[/QUOTE]

Oh god what

[icemaz]

Maxofs2d teenage menstrual expert, always on hand when needed.

but no yeah it's 16 for a reason, we should keep it that way.

[MisterMooth]

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39470694]Yes it does. He's bringing new information as if it's common knowledge, as if it's in the OP.
There's a world of difference between statutory rape (consenting or not), and sweet talking a 14 year old in staying with you for two years.[/QUOTE]

calm down

look at your reply, the previous replies, and your title

it's pretty easy to take it as if you only felt it was a problem when the whole locking away thing came to light

[MaxOfS2D]

[QUOTE=icemaz;39470726]Maxofs2d teenage menstrual expert, always on hand when needed.

but no yeah it's 16 for a reason, we should keep it that way.[/QUOTE]

refuting bullshit evolutionary psychology used to justify pedophilia on reddit gave me a nice stash of arguments to use :p

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470714]So it's only safe to assume that more so than ever, teenage girls and younger should be able to have sexual intercourse with whomever they desire.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470714]teenage girls and [I]younger[/I][/QUOTE]

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[myon]

Subtly reminds me of the movie 'Trainspotting' gone bad

[Shadaez]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470714]So it's only safe to assume that more so than ever, teenage girls and younger should be able to have sexual intercourse with whomever they desire.[/QUOTE]

No... being maturing earlier physically doesn't mean you're maturing earlier mentally. You're acting like you want to bang 14 year olds and it's creepy.

[mobrockers2]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470714]So it's only safe to assume that more so than ever, teenage girls and younger should be able to have sexual intercourse with whomever they desire.[/QUOTE]

Whether or not you should have sex with a minor has never been a question of 'is the body ready', it's about the mind. Minors on average aren't mentally mature enough to be able to make such a decision, therefore we adults have decided that it's better to just no allow it at all. Minors can't legally consent to anything, and that's the end of it.

[Philly c]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470597]Why not exactly? Girls used to marry at that age and younger and give birth.[/QUOTE]

Are you fucking kidding me? That was definitely their choice...

[Persecution]

AOC is only 16 in cousin-fuckin' Alabama.

Of course I can still go to jail because my girlfriend is 16 and I'm 18.
Or something stupid like that.

[mobrockers2]

[QUOTE=Persecution;39470757]AOC is only 16 in cousin-fuckin' Alabama.

Of course I can still go to jail because my girlfriend is 16 and I'm 18.
Or something stupid like that.[/QUOTE]

That's a pretty legal gray area usually.

[yaourt -Syua]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39470735]No... being maturing earlier physically doesn't mean you're maturing earlier mentally. You're acting like you want to bang 14 year olds and it's creepy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39470748]Whether or not you should have sex with a minor has never been a question of 'is the body ready', it's about the mind. Minors on average aren't mentally mature enough to be able to make such a decision, therefore we adults have decided that it's better to just no allow it at all. Minors can't legally consent to anything, and that's the end of it.[/QUOTE]

So their bodies are capable of it, but they aren't allowed to because of some pseudo science about mental maturity and what not. Sounds like some serious adult privilege checking is in order.

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[JennyC6]

What a sack of shit. I normally don't have anything against teens fucking, but seriously, this is goddamn stupid. Throw him away and forget about him, it's all he deserves.

[QUOTE=Ern;39470587]Do you really think the mind of a teenaged girl should be making a decision to have sex at such an age?[/QUOTE]

Yes. If they're old enough to want it they should be mature enough to decide whether or not they want person B touching their joy department in naughty ways. If they're old enough to drive, especially, they're old enough to fuck. Teenagers may be stupid, but they're not [i]that[/i] stupid. Saying someone can't decide whether or not they want to do X person because of some arbitrary number is absolute bullshit. There is no logical reason an 18 year old should be thrown in jail and put on the sex offender registry because his 17 year, 360 day old girlfriend thought it would be a great 18th birthday present to bounce in his lap six or seven times and her parents found out.

[editline]4th February 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39470748]Whether or not you should have sex with a minor has never been a question of 'is the body ready', it's about the mind. Minors on average aren't mentally mature enough to be able to make such a decision, therefore we adults have decided that it's better to just no allow it at all. Minors can't legally consent to anything, and that's the end of it.[/QUOTE]
if they're mature enough to handle driving a car they're mature enough to handle consent to sex. If they're not capable of the latter, then surely they're still too softheaded to handle the former?

[sam.clarke]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470804]So their bodies are capable of it, but they aren't allowed to because of some pseudo science about mental maturity and what not. Sounds like some serious adult privilege checking is in order.[/QUOTE]

I think he'e suggesting that perhaps girls of that age are more susceptible to being manipulated by an older guy who wants to take advantage. They're mentally naive and easily lead, yes the body may be developed but the mind is far from it, so the moral issue is more to do with taking advantage of someone more vulnerable than yourself, a trait of childhood, more so than focusing on a number.

[Shadaez]

[QUOTE=yaourt -Syua;39470804]So their bodies are capable of it, but they aren't allowed to because of some pseudo science about mental maturity and what not. Sounds like some serious adult privilege checking is in order.[/QUOTE]

Not only are they not mentally ready but the perpetrator would have power over them. Seriously, go get help, wanting to bang "teenagers and younger" is not healthy or normal for a 22 year old.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39470821]What a sack of shit. I normally don't have anything against teens fucking, but seriously, this is goddamn stupid. Throw him away and forget about him, it's all he deserves.

Yes. If they're old enough to want it they should be mature enough to decide whether or not they want person B touching their joy department in naughty ways. If they're old enough to drive, especially, they're old enough to fuck. Teenagers may be stupid, but they're not [i]that[/i] stupid. Saying someone can't decide whether or not they want to do X person because of some arbitrary number is absolute bullshit. There is no logical reason an 18 year old should be thrown in jail and put on the sex offender registry because his 17 year, 360 day old girlfriend thought it would be a great 18th birthday present to bounce in his lap six or seven times and her parents found out.

[editline]4th February 2013[/editline]

if they're mature enough to handle driving a car they're mature enough to handle consent to sex. If they're not capable of the latter, then surely they're still too softheaded to handle the former?[/QUOTE]

uh that wouldn't happen because most everywhere there is a 16 year old age of consent / 4 year age gap so I don't know what you're arguing about.

[editline]4th February 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=sam.clarke;39470831]I think he'e suggesting that perhaps girls of that age are more susceptible to being manipulated by an older guy who wants to take advantage. They're mentally naive and easily lead, yes the body may be developed but the mind is far from it, so the moral issue is more to do with taking advantage of someone more vulnerable than yourself, a trait of childhood, more so than focusing on a number.[/QUOTE]

this, creepy yaourt.

[JennyC6]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39470836]

uh that wouldn't happen because most everywhere there is a 16 year old age of consent / 4 year age gap so I don't know what you're arguing about.
[/quote] It happens all the time. In my area AoC is 18. I remember hearing many a classmate rant about being bit in the ass by it, despite there being no logical reason for it to be an issue. I actually sort of knew one kid. He and his GF were madly in love and genuinely cared for each other. They did everything right. She was on the pill, he used rubbers, blablabla. They were both 17. Her parents found out they were banging and nearly fucked him over for life on a technicality.

It's fucking stupid.

[Shadaez]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39470856]It happens all the time. In my area AoC is 18. I remember hearing many a classmate rant about being bit in the ass by it, despite there being no logical reason for it to be an issue. I actually sort of knew one kid. He and his GF were madly in love and genuinely cared for each other. They did everything right. She was on the pill, he used rubbers, blablabla. They were both 17. Her parents found out they were banging and nearly fucked him over for life on a technicality.

It's fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]

Where do you live?

[JennyC6]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39470866]Where do you live?[/QUOTE]

Southern America.

[mobrockers2]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39470821]What a sack of shit. I normally don't have anything against teens fucking, but seriously, this is goddamn stupid. Throw him away and forget about him, it's all he deserves.

Yes. If they're old enough to want it they should be mature enough to decide whether or not they want person B touching their joy department in naughty ways. If they're old enough to drive, especially, they're old enough to fuck. Teenagers may be stupid, but they're not [i]that[/i] stupid. Saying someone can't decide whether or not they want to do X person because of some arbitrary number is absolute bullshit. There is no logical reason an 18 year old should be thrown in jail and put on the sex offender registry because his 17 year, 360 day old girlfriend thought it would be a great 18th birthday present to bounce in his lap six or seven times and her parents found out.

[editline]4th February 2013[/editline]

if they're mature enough to handle driving a car they're mature enough to handle consent to sex. If they're not capable of the latter, then surely they're still too softheaded to handle the former?[/QUOTE]

I do not agree that minors should be allowed to drive any motorized vehicle.

[Shadaez]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39470893]Southern America.[/QUOTE]

Peru, then? That's pretty crappy. Looks like they've been trying to change it, and I have a feeling if something happened between a 17/18 year old it would have been a huge controversy and would have caused change.

[Camundongo]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39470821] if they're mature enough to handle driving a car they're mature enough to handle consent to sex. If they're not capable of the latter, then surely they're still too softheaded to handle the former?[/QUOTE]

AOC is 16 in the UK, minimum age for a driving license is 17 (except mopeds/low powered bikes where it's 16), and I sure as hell wouldn't want either to be lower.

[Fulcrum]

rabble rabble giving us dole scrubbers a bad name

[JennyC6]

[QUOTE=Shadaez;39470964]Peru, then? That's pretty crappy. Looks like they've been trying to change it, and I have a feeling if something happened between a 17/18 year old it would have been a huge controversy and would have caused change.[/QUOTE]

No, not South America. Southern America. It's a distinctly different place. One is home to dictators, one is home to rednecks.

[editline]4th February 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39470958]I do not agree that minors should be allowed to drive any motorized vehicle.[/QUOTE]

So they suddenly mature enough to handle it on their 18th birthday, then? As if a magical switch is flipped in their head?

[Camundongo]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39470993]So they suddenly mature enough to handle it on their 18th birthday, then? As if a magical switch is flipped in their head?[/QUOTE]

Not really, but unless you want to do a detailed psych evaluation on every teenage and set limits based on that, then any law is going to be broad strokes and based on averages. Okay, sucks if you are mature enough to handle it, but it's saving lives/emotional trauma/unwanted pregnancies etc. for those who can't.

[JennyC6]

[QUOTE=Camundongo;39471027] Okay, sucks if you are mature enough to handle it, but it's saving lives/emotional trauma/unwanted pregnancies etc. for those who can't.[/QUOTE]

Except that it sort of doesn't. Kids are going to do it anyway. They dont' give a shit if [i]the man[/i] frowns on it. They never have and they never will. One's rebellious phase almost always falls right smack dab in the middle of one's teenage years, after all.

[quote]Not really, but unless you want to do a detailed psych evaluation on every teenage and set limits based on that, then any law is going to be broad strokes and based on averages. [/quote]

How about, for driving, we just [i]test their skill[/i]? Or does that make too much sense? As far as driving goes, as long as they're physically large enough they're physically good to go. Modern cars require barely any effort at all to move the controls. That leaves it down to their head...and the ones mature enough to handle it will be safe. Some kids will never mature enough to be safe drivers. Testing based on skill lets more of the former on the road, while filtering more of the latter out.

Now, testing for fitness to bone is a bit more difficult...but how 'bout we just leave that one to the kid's parents?

[mobrockers2]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39471036]Except that it sort of doesn't. Kids are going to do it anyway. They dont' give a shit if [i]the man[/i] frowns on it. They never have and they never will. One's rebellious phase almost always falls right smack dab in the middle of one's teenage years, after all.

How about, for driving, we just [i]test their skill[/i]? Or does that make too much sense?[/QUOTE]

We also do that, yes. After they turn 18.

[Roshbitnak]

[QUOTE=Persecution;39470757]AOC is only 16 in cousin-fuckin' Alabama.

Of course I can still go to jail because my girlfriend is 16 and I'm 18.
Or something stupid like that.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America[/url]

Quite a few states allow it, actually.
The problem is when you go over state lines, much like Marijuana. The US really needs to set a standard for age of consent already. Also Marijuana.

I also learned from that page that putting it up the butt only became legal in all states in 2003 in the Lawrence v. Texas supreme court case. Decision was 6-3, by the way.

The guy in OP was still a fucking moron though. Age of Consent exists because most people don't become somewhat mature until they're at least 18. Yes, there exist super mature teenagers who could safely have sex at 14. However, the vast majority are dumb and completely in the dark when it comes to the subject of sex. Throw in the general awkwardness of those high school years accompanied with incredible shortsightedness and the group mentality of 'must have sex to be cool', and they're fucked. Only later on do they realize how dumb it was. The guy in the OP was likely taking advantage of this. People like him shouldn't be allowed to legally do that.

[MisterMooth]

[QUOTE=TestECull;39471036]Except that it sort of doesn't. Kids are going to do it anyway. They dont' give a shit if [i]the man[/i] frowns on it. They never have and they never will. One's rebellious phase almost always falls right smack dab in the middle of one's teenage years, after all.[/QUOTE]

the laws are there to protect kids from [b]rape[/b]

why are you even bringing "rebellious phases" into this

that doesn't outweigh a child's/teen's right to not be taken advantage of and raped