Putin congratulates Trump, hopes to cooperate to end RU-US relations crisis - Polidicks

make ruble great again (won't happen)

Maybe it won't be so bad in the soviet union...

Jesus F- Christ, am I accidentally entered /pol or what? What's with all the "WWIII is real" bullshit?

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;51339451]I find it really bizzare that Republicans supported a president-elect that is seemingly bending over to Russia. Hell, they even still adore Reagan judging from the conversations I've had with them.[/QUOTE] Republicans as a constituency simply don't see Russia as a threat anymore and respond favorably to Trumps "live and let live" policy with Russia, believing that there are problems at home that cannot be solves if we also react to problems internationally. Republicans as a party publicly distance themselves with Trump's coziness with Russia, with Marco Rubio going as far as saying that their party shouldn't capitalize on the DNC hacks and warning Russia against alleged cyber attacks.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51339650]Republicans as a constituency simply don't see Russia as a threat anymore and respond favorably to Trumps "live and let live" policy with Russia, believing that there are problems at home that cannot be solves if we also react to problems internationally. [b]Republicans as a party publicly distance themselves with Trump's coziness with Russia, with Marco Rubio going as far as saying that their party shouldn't capitalize on the DNC hacks and warning Russia against alleged cyber attacks.[/b][/QUOTE] Well that doesn't really mean much now, does it? Trump's coziness to Russia will be presidential policy and that's terrifying to think about. Fuck, how the roles have changed. I can't believe I, as a liberal, actually condemn Russia now while the conservatives are willing to appease.

[QUOTE=Hammer7;51339646]Jesus F- Christ, am I accidentally entered /pol or what? What's with all the "WWIII is real" bullshit?[/QUOTE]Being on friendly terms with Russia = end of USA according to FP. Fear mongering is too real. I mean shit US is already buddies with Israel and Saudi, it can't get much worse.

Hillary was pretty much calling for war with Russia. This is a good thing.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51339225]If there is one positive about a Trump presidency, it may be this. Better relations with Russia is a good thing.[/QUOTE] As long as we don't compromise international security doing so, such as throwing Nato's eastern members under the bus. That would be an enormous blow to world stability.

[QUOTE=Lurker;51339518]Didn't you guys recieve some little "help" from the Swedish voluntary fighters during WWII. Didn't you also get "help" from the nazis in the continuation war?[/QUOTE] They had to choose between murderous bastard who were invading them and murderous bastards who weren't. The Finns were stuck between a rock and a hard place in WW2.

[QUOTE=download;51339733]As long as we don't compromise international security doing so, such as throwing Nato's eastern members under the bus. That would be an enormous blow to world stability.[/QUOTE] I don't understand why would Russia even want eastern members. Most of them can barely get by. Russia would have to dump tons of money into us or just turn it into a wasteland. This landgrab seems pointless.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51339723]Hillary was pretty much calling for war with Russia. This is a good thing.[/QUOTE] She "pretty much" was calling for no such thing.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51339742]I don't understand why would Russia even want eastern members. Most of them can barely get by. Russia would have to dump tons of money into us or just turn it into a wasteland. This landgrab seems pointless.[/QUOTE] Because it's strategically advantageous to them. Why did you think Stalin did it the first time around?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51339742]I don't understand why would Russia even want eastern members. Most of them can barely get by. Russia would have to dump tons of money into us or just turn it into a wasteland. This landgrab seems pointless.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Taking Crimea had actual strategic value behind it, and so did having South Ossetia under Russian control. However going past Crimea and interfering with Eastern Ukraine and Georgia is obviously super shitty. Wtf do they need Finland for?

[QUOTE=download;51339772]Because it's strategically advantageous to them. Why did you think Stalin did it the first time around?[/QUOTE] Soviet Union also invested tons into building housing and factories here. It is unlikely Putin has the means or reason to do that. It will cost him too much in blood, finance and notoriety to be worth the little land he gets.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;51339581]Trump's election victory is good for Russian relations as in Trump will allow Putin to do as he pleases. This isn't some halt to hostile USA-Russia relations. This is Trump now allowing Russia to commit its flagrant acts in Europe and internationally.[/QUOTE] Yeah as if we havent been in proxy wars in the middle east in the past couple decades just to undermine each other. The erriest thing about the US is how easy the public is fooled into thinking their foreign policy is in anyway better than russias. [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Raidyr;51339754]She "pretty much" was calling for no such thing.[/QUOTE] You must have been loving under a rock for the past couple years.

[QUOTE=damnatus;51339593]make ruble great again (won't happen)[/QUOTE] Visited the thread to say exactly that. I want cheap Steam games back.

Meanwhile in Poland we do everything to piss off Russia because why not...

[QUOTE=Hammer7;51339646]Jesus F- Christ, am I accidentally entered /pol or what? What's with all the "WWIII is real" bullshit?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=rndgenerator;51339721]Being on friendly terms with Russia = end of USA according to FP. Fear mongering is too real. I mean shit US is already buddies with Israel and Saudi, it can't get much worse.[/QUOTE] On the contrary! This just us East Europeans complaining. Now that Trump will be in White House, Russia's possible aggression here is practically guaranteed to NOT start WW3 nor concern US in any way. So it's much safer proposition for both great powers but worse for us. Someone wins, someone loses. This time, it seems that we're the losers. That's just how politics work.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51339818]You must have been loving under a rock for the past couple years.[/QUOTE] Are you actually going to make an argument or just keep trying to make epic zingers.

wow they're already kissing trumps ass

[QUOTE=RikohZX;51339228]I don't want to be on their shitlist even though we're probably fated to be an eternal arch-nemesis or some shit, but then something about Putin supporting Trump gives me an off feeling.[/QUOTE] The choice is between heavy but friendly competition with mutual respect... Or seeing who can build thr biggest empire. Trump was the choice for a shot at the former... Id like to stress "a shot at" part though.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51340008]The choice is between heavy but friendly competition with mutual respect... Or seeing who can build thr biggest empire. Trump was the choice for a shot at the former... Id like to stress "a shot at" part though.[/QUOTE] but i don't respect the russian government

[QUOTE=Vlevs;51339954]On the contrary! This just us East Europeans complaining. Now that Trump will be in White House, Russia's possible aggression here is practically guaranteed to NOT start WW3 nor concern US in any way. So it's much safer proposition for both great powers but worse for us. Someone wins, someone loses. This time, it seems that we're the losers. That's just how politics work.[/QUOTE] ffs nobody is gonna invade you, chill out (but don't call me on that)

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51339742]I don't understand why would Russia even want eastern members. Most of them can barely get by. Russia would have to dump tons of money into us or just turn it into a wasteland. This landgrab seems pointless.[/QUOTE] With the ussr it made sense, they were spreading the revolution... Now crimea was just a tactical outpost... Dont expect a russian landgrab.

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51339989]wow they're already kissing trumps ass[/QUOTE] Trump's been tongue fucking their anus for quite a while.

Consider this if you're still afraid: -Russian backed rebels can't do jack shit against pathetically weak Ukraine (again, no offense) -No money to sustain open war, [U]people are already unhappy[/U] with money poured in proxy war (medical welfare already cut in favor of war, cue more disapproval) in Syria ("Why can't we squash some ass-backwards desert fuckers?" lit. citation from forums) -Europe has twice the manpower and money -Crimea has strategic value, Ukraine as a whole isn't worth the trouble -USSR land grabbing made sense as means to spread the revolution, RF wouldn't benefit from this in the slightest

[QUOTE=Lurker;51339518]Didn't you guys recieve some little "help" from the Swedish voluntary fighters during WWII. Didn't you also get "help" from the nazis in the continuation war?[/QUOTE] I don't know much about Finland but, correct me if I'm wrong, they were basically forced into a corner by the Soviets in the Winter War but still managed to bloody their noses hard enough to force the invasion to a halt, which was and still is pretty impressive by itself when you consider the size and population disparity between the two nations (military equipment and capabilities notwithstanding). When the opportunity came to reclaim the land stolen from them they took it - they can't be blamed for that (plus there were a bunch of other geopolitical issues that I don't know enough about) - then as things turned against the Axis they again negotiated an agreement with the Soviets so they wouldn't end up like the of the Eastern Bloc and basically had them tell the Nazis to leave. I honestly doubt Russia is interested in open conflict with NATO members or allies, the risk/reward that Russia would claim from any form of military intervention with Finland wouldn't be worth it by any measure unless there was already a significant conflict on Europe's doorstep (IE boots on the ground). Ukraine is in its current situation because A) it's directly within Russia's sphere of influence, B) it was already unstable on both the political and social scale because of Euromaiden and C) there were a lot of Pro-Russian elements in the country.

What I don't understand is why you people think Trump is going to be a "friend" of Russia anyway. He was the guy who offered to shoot down our planes on sight, and, as far as i remember, he never did any official promises or statements indicating his good attitude towards Russia. His actual aims and motives are obviously completely different from the rhetoric used during his campaign and debates(or do you really think he's going to build that wall and do other crazy things he's promised). It can easily turn much worse for us, and i don't see a single reason why our clowns there in Kremlin think his victory is a good thing for Russia.

I also hope this means we will get Abrams MBT to compete in next year's Tank Biathlon. [IMG]http://nexpro.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/114.jpg[/IMG] [editline]9th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=antianan;51340152]What I don't understand is why you people think Trump is going to be a "friend" of Russia anyway. He was the guy who offered to shoot down our planes on sight, and, as far as i remember, he never did any official promises or statements indicating his good attitude towards Russia. His actual aims and motives are obviously completely different from the rhetoric used during his campaign and debates(or do you really think he's going to build that wall and do other crazy things he's promised). It can easily turn much worse for us, and i don't see a single reason why our clowns there in Kremlin think his victory is a good thing for Russia.[/QUOTE] But just imagine the lulz that would ensue if he'll be good on his word. If I'll die in the apocalypse I might as well die laughing out loud.

[QUOTE=Amic;51339869]Meanwhile in Poland we do everything to piss off Russia because why not...[/QUOTE] What have you done to piss Russia off?