Actor Johnny Depp accused of assaulting his wife with mobile phone, ordered by judge to fuck off
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Johnny Depp is an asshole as evidenced by recent news articles. But let's not pretend this line was not a total exaggeration.
[quote]"I live in fear that Johnny will return to (our house) unannounced to terrorise me, physically and emotionally,'' Ms Heard wrote in a sworn declaration.[/quote]
It is Johnny Depp. Not fucking Charles Manson. He's not a lurking serial killer who will show up unannounced and murder her. He is instantly recognizable in public.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;50408422]Johnny Depp is an asshole as evidenced by recent news articles. But let's not pretend this line was not a total exaggeration.
It is Johnny Depp. Not fucking Charles Manson. He's not a lurking serial killer who will show up unannounced and murder her. He is instantly recognizable in public.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know what you're trying to say here. No one mentioned murder or even implied it. All she said was that she's worried he will come over and abuse her? It's not that hard to understand. Being recognized in public does not stop him from visiting other people, including his wife.
[QUOTE=Fort83;50408510]According to other articles when the police arrived Amber told them it was a verbal dispute only and the officers didn't see any evidence of violence or injuries.[/QUOTE]
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[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
[quote=BBC Caption]Her face still showed injuries when she appeared in court[/quote]
[QUOTE=joshuadim;50407795]He is ACCUSED, not GUILTY, yet you guys are already saying "Fuck him!" and the like. Wtf? It's innocent until proven guilty.[/QUOTE]
Yeah in a court of law. I mean, there's defamation, but the "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply in real life. If you caught someone breaking into your house you probably wouldn't tell the police that he's innocent because he hasn't gone to court yet. Neither would your neighbours probably. Not saying it's right to say "fuck Johnny Depp", but people not assuming guilt is a pipe dream.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50408539]Yeah in a court of law. I mean, there's defamation, but the "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply in real life. If you caught someone breaking into your house you probably wouldn't tell the police that he's innocent because he hasn't gone to court yet. Neither would your neighbours probably. Not saying it's right to say "fuck Johnny Depp", but people not assuming guilt is a pipe dream.[/QUOTE]Being a witness to a crime is not the same as being a random internet user. Unlike a witness, you base your assumptions on nothing. And that is something to be ashamed of. Even witnesses can misunderstand situations and mark innocent people guilty, people with lack of info should not say anything at all.
I always thought that Johnny wasn`t really that big of an asshole, from what i gathered he was rather quiet and calm and not that confident. The only shit thing i heard about him was him trying to smuggle a doggo to Australia, and yes i know how Australia`s ecosystem is very fragile and just because he`s a celebrity doesn`t mean he should not go through proper channels like everyone else, but if i heard of an completely ordinary person trying to smuggle a dog through a quarantine(the fact that it was some york or corgi or other small doggeo just makes the matter even harder to take seriously) i still wouldn`t find the energy in myself to get angry over it or call that person an idiot. I understand how some paperwork is necessary but i also understand how paperwork is most of the time(pretty much every fucking time) boring as shit and makes me wish i wasn`t a human being but some ethereal consciousness drifting through time randomly and just watching instead of actively participating.
Anyway this is still bad and i hope he just had a bad day because i always liked him and honestly i always had an impression that other people like him too, i`m surprised to see so many negative opinions here. Did he do something else apart from the k9 incident or something? And if he really did that then i definitely didn`t see that coming from him. Mark Wahlberg, sure, but not John.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50408597]Being a witness to a crime is not the same as being a random internet user. Unlike a witness, you base your assumptions on nothing. And that is something to be ashamed of. Even witnesses can misunderstand situations and mark innocent people guilty, people with lack of info should not say anything at all.[/QUOTE]
Okay let's not comment on any news stories ever. No one ever branded James Holmes guilty before the verdict.
I'm just saying the principle doesn't work out. How about we say "Let's not jump to conclusions" instead of pretending you can never assume guilt in any situation.
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;50408336]She lives in terror? Cuz he threw a phone during a fight? Have people forgotten what its like to be so mad you see red and do something stupid? Like throw a object at the person your fighting with? Doesn't mean he's some crazy who's gonna beat you to death, just [B]meant you pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point.[/B][/QUOTE]
how is this not victim blaming
he always seemed like a dick on some level
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50408756]How about we say "Let's not jump to conclusions" instead of pretending you can never assume guilt in any situation.[/QUOTE]
Difference being?
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;50408336]She lives in terror? Cuz he threw a phone during a fight? Have people forgotten what its like to be so mad you see red and do something stupid? Like throw a object at the person your fighting with? Doesn't mean he's some crazy who's gonna beat you to death, just meant you pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point.[/QUOTE]
sounds like a fucking mental disorder if u get that fucking mad u see red and cant control your actions
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
do the adult thing and just walk away
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50408769]Difference being?[/QUOTE]
When you say "Innocent until proven guilty" you kinda have to actually apply it - if someone isn't proven guilty in a court of law, you should treat them like they're innocent. With "Let's not jump to conclusions" you can make up your own standards - "okay, he had the girl locked in his basement for 14 years, he's probably guilty".
When you say "Hey guys, it's [I]innocent until proven guilty![/I]", and you're actually talking about the latter, why cite it like it's some kind of law, when a: it isn't, and b: you're not actually talking about the judicial concept, but rather your own arbitrary standard for what counts as guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
It's a concept about the burden of proof, not whether you had to be nice to Charles Manson until he was convicted. Also, let's take it to pms if need be, it's kinda off topic.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50408950]sounds like a fucking mental disorder if u get that fucking mad u see red and cant control your actions
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
do the adult thing and just walk away[/QUOTE]
Have you lost a parent?
I watched my dad die. I lashed out, I never hit anyone but I certainly lashed out emotionally because I couldn't control that. Just being the "Adult" and walking away isn't an option when you're that emotional.
Thing is, emotional distress isn't an excuse to assault someone else, no matter how understandable the grief may be.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50408967]Have you lost a parent?
I watched my dad die. I lashed out, I never hit anyone but I certainly lashed out emotionally because I couldn't control that. Just being the "Adult" and walking away isn't an option when you're that emotional.[/QUOTE]
i dont think losing a parent is quite the same thing as throwing a phone at your significant other because they got u mad, and like u said, u didnt even hit anyone in your situation wheras johnny here did
I don't think it's an excuse.
It's an explanation.
And no emotional distress isn't a reason to lash out, but it helps explain why someone did, and helps put their actions in context.
There's a reason cold blooded murder is considered worse than heat of the moment kind of stuff. Because we all have emotions, and we ALL lose control of them from time to time.
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;50409021]i dont think losing a parent is quite the same thing as throwing a phone at your significant other because they got u mad, and like u said, u didnt even hit anyone in your situation wheras johnny here did[/QUOTE]
Yes but people react differently to grief. I tried to kill myself in front of my mother. So I lashed out in an arguably more harmful way to those close to me.
Losing a parent the day before you throw your phone is related.
Either way, if he DID do it, it's still in no way acceptable.
I'm not saying I don't understand a person's actions under that sort of distress, but painting it as any worse or better than outright assault for no reason doesn't make sense. The woman would still be assaulted either way and the person who did it should still be punished.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50408759]how is this not victim blaming[/QUOTE]
It's not victim blaming, it's called having empathy.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409045]It's not victim blaming, it's called having empathy.[/QUOTE]
Really? Where is the empathy here?
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;50408336]She lives in terror? Cuz he threw a phone during a fight?[/quote]
Where is the empathy in scoffing at her fear? Where is the empathy in not understanding abuse?
[quote]Have people forgotten what its like to be so mad you see red and do something stupid? Like throw a object at the person your fighting with? Doesn't mean he's some crazy who's gonna beat you to death, just meant you pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point.[/QUOTE]
Does empathy mean absolving people of responsibility? Does empathy mean shifting the blame from someone who gets mad to the person who got them mad?
Please, fucking enlighten me
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409045]It's not victim blaming, it's called having empathy.[/QUOTE]
Saying you shouldn't piss someone off if you don't want to get hit is victim blaming.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409087]Saying you shouldn't piss someone off if you don't want to get hit is victim blaming.[/QUOTE]
There was no "should/should not" implied anywhere in his post.
I love how often the whole "victim blaming" schtick is misapplied
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409066]Really? Where is the empathy here?
Where is the empathy in scoffing at her fear? Where is the empathy in not understanding abuse?
Does empathy mean absolving people of responsibility? Does empathy mean shifting the blame from someone who gets mad to the person who got them mad?
Please, fucking enlighten me[/QUOTE]
Dude, chill out. The point of the post is clearly that just because he had an episode doesn't mean he's "some crazy who's gonna beat you to death". You're just seeing past the point and getting worked up for no reason, like you're looking for reasons to be offended.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409087]Saying you shouldn't piss someone off if you don't want to get hit is victim blaming.[/QUOTE]
to be fair, pissing someone off deliberately can in itself be a form of abuse although that may very well not apply to this case
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409087]Saying you shouldn't piss someone off if you don't want to get hit is victim blaming.[/QUOTE]
Cool, I agree to an extent, (there is this concept called provocation) but that wasn't the point of his post.
[QUOTE=RobL;50409096]There was no "should/should not" implied anywhere in his post.
I love how often the whole "victim blaming" schtick is misapplied[/QUOTE]
[quote]Doesn't mean he's some crazy who's gonna beat you to death, just meant you pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point.[/quote]
[quote]just meant you pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point.[/quote]
[quote]you pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point[/quote]
[quote][B]YOU[/B] pushed the motherfucker to a boiling point[/quote]
And now you're going to tell me with a straight face that he didn't just shift the blame onto her?
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
Did people just forget how to fucking read?
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50409107]to be fair, pissing someone off deliberately can in itself be a form of abuse although that may very well not apply to this case[/QUOTE]
There's no excuse for hitting your spouse.
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409118]Cool, I agree to an extent, (there is this concept called provocation) but that wasn't the point of his post.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409119]And now you're going to tell me with a straight face that he didn't just shift the blame onto her?
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
Did people just forget how to fucking read?[/QUOTE]
You're just taking it out of context and applying buzzwords. It's obviously not what he's saying dude.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409121]There's no excuse for hitting your spouse.[/QUOTE]
No there's never an excuse
but there's also never an excuse to antagonize a person. I don't know if that's what happened here, but it does happen. and antagonizing a person after a personal loss is going to cause them to react badly. they aren't going to be in total control of that. I know, not an excuse, but I swear there's more to someone lashing out then just them being a grade A piece of shit.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409134]You're just taking it out of context and applying buzzwords. It's obviously not what he's saying dude.[/QUOTE]
How is victim blaming a buzzword?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409119]And now you're going to tell me with a straight face that he didn't just shift the blame onto her?
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
Did people just forget how to fucking read?[/QUOTE]
People don't push themselves over the edge. It's always an outside influence. Just a fact mate.
Stop being a self-righteous moraliser deliberately reading provocative "ought" statements into matter-of-fact "is" statements. It's super annoying and unhelpful.
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