Actor Johnny Depp accused of assaulting his wife with mobile phone, ordered by judge to fuck off
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[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409134]You're just taking it out of context and applying buzzwords. It's obviously not what he's saying dude.[/QUOTE]
And now you're just being daft on purpose and missing the obvious so you can perpetuate the idea that victim blaming is a buzzword
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409143]How is victim blaming a buzzword?[/QUOTE]
Idk you tell me, you knew exactly what I was referring to. :)
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409145]And now you're just being daft on purpose and missing the obvious so you can perpetuate the idea that victim blaming is a buzzword[/QUOTE]
Because it's continuously used in situations in which it doesn't apply.
[QUOTE=RobL;50409151]Because it's continuously used in situations in which it doesn't apply.[/QUOTE]
I've clearly explained why it applies here though?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409139]No there's never an excuse
but there's also never an excuse to antagonize a person. I don't know if that's what happened here, but it does happen. and antagonizing a person after a personal loss is going to cause them to react badly. they aren't going to be in total control of that. I know, not an excuse, but I swear there's more to someone lashing out then just them being a grade A piece of shit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and no one related to the case has come out saying she antagonized him, not even Johnny Depp. They did come out saying he hit her though.
And even if someone is antagonized if you're resorting to violence you need help.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409152]I've clearly explained why it applies here though?[/QUOTE]
Because the use of the word "you"? Elaborate?
Alright, just so I understand the mentality of people here, lets say, you lost your parent. Now, a day later, someone provokes you constantly. Of course you're not going to even give them the slightest rise right because you're all in total control of your emotions, and never do things you regret in grief?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409145]And now you're just being daft on purpose and missing the obvious so you can perpetuate the idea that victim blaming is a buzzword[/QUOTE]
Nice red herring, still doesn't change the fact you're misinterpreting the post and blowing it out of proportion because you gotta stroke that moral ego.
wtf people are saying "it's make up, it's a sham, conspiracy"
Why do people assume all women are just lying about abuse straight away? It's kind of gross. She literally has a mark on her cheek and you guys find ways to make excuses on how she's lying.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409147]Idk you tell me, you knew exactly what I was referring to. :)[/QUOTE]
Because it was the only unique word in his sentence.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409153]Yeah and no one related to the case has come out saying she antagonized him, not even Johnny Depp. They did come out saying he hit her though.
And even if someone is antagonized if you're resorting to violence you need help.[/QUOTE]
I'm not debating that. I didn't say that's what happened here.
Yes, he needs help. It's called a grief counselor or something along those lines.
Losing a parent can be a seriously emotional event that can disrupt your mental state significantly. It can disrupt your hormones significantly calling into question your ability to even MAKE rational decisions because that part of your brain is partially turned off.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409121]There's no excuse for hitting your spouse.[/QUOTE]
not saying it is an excuse but it does lend context to situations. i know i've been provoked heavily by people verbally to the point where i really wanted to lash out physically due to me not being in a right state of mind from the verbal abuse. i know i would've been in the wrong had i actually done so but those feelings would've never arisen had i not been bullied. this case, though, could very well not have those aspects
After looking at people's comments, I wouldn't want the jurors to be picked from FP :v:
I mean are some of you forgetting how emotions work? It's not an excuse, so stop repeating that "it's not an excuse", no one's using it as one. Emotions are hard to control, and depending on a variety of factors, can control you in the worst moments.
I guess that never happens to any of you though, so you can't relate to it, but you can't just say "I'M NOT ANGRY ANYMORE" and have your brain chemistry reflect that.
Unless you all have a secret trick.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50409177]After looking at people's comments, I wouldn't want the jurors to be picked from FP :v:[/QUOTE]
Because any other random group of people wouldn't be having the same conversations we're having here.
while i don't have all the info and shouldn't really be passing any judgement along, from what i do see i'll say he is probably guilty of assaulting her
[QUOTE=RobL;50409157]Because the use of the word "you"? Elaborate?[/QUOTE]
No, because all his post does is downplay her fear of abuse and paint her as an instigator[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409161]Nice red herring, still doesn't change the fact you're misinterpreting the post and blowing it out of proportion because you gotta stroke that moral ego.[/QUOTE]
Or maybe I just have an opinion like a normal human being? Why's it always gotta be about "stroking that moral ego"? Is it that hard to accept people don't think the way you do and - brace for it - that it's because they have different standards, not because they're going on some moral crusade?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409183]I mean are some of you forgetting how emotions work? It's not an excuse, so stop repeating that "it's not an excuse", no one's using it as one. Emotions are hard to control, and depending on a variety of factors, can control you in the worst moments.
I guess that never happens to any of you though, so you can't relate to it, but you can't just say "I'M NOT ANGRY ANYMORE" and have your brain chemistry reflect that.
Unless you all have a secret trick.[/QUOTE]
No one's denying that people can get emotional though?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409183]I mean are some of you forgetting how emotions work? It's not an excuse, so stop repeating that "it's not an excuse", no one's using it as one. Emotions are hard to control, and depending on a variety of factors, can control you in the worst moments.
I guess that never happens to any of you though, so you can't relate to it, but you can't just say "I'M NOT ANGRY ANYMORE" and have your brain chemistry reflect that.
Unless you all have a secret trick.[/QUOTE]
You can get angry without resorting to physical violence.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409183]I mean are some of you forgetting how emotions work? It's not an excuse, so stop repeating that "it's not an excuse", no one's using it as one. Emotions are hard to control, and depending on a variety of factors, can control you in the worst moments.
I guess that never happens to any of you though, so you can't relate to it, but you can't just say "I'M NOT ANGRY ANYMORE" and have your brain chemistry reflect that.
Unless you all have a secret trick.[/QUOTE]
Also, the purpose to discussing these kind of things is to reach understanding. Like yeah, he could be in mental distress, that doesn't mean absolve him of any punishment. It just means you should think twice before assuming the guy is a violent piece of shit or anything along those lines.
I garauntee you there will be/was at least one point in your life where you're left in disgust of what you just said/did.
[QUOTE=BOXHOUND;50409208]No one's denying that people can get emotional though?[/QUOTE]
people are denying the effects emotions, and the hormones that drive them effect people during the height of grief.
man sometimes i wonder why folk who suffer from domestic abuse/abusive partners etc don't come forward but this thread pretty much sums it up
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409217]You can get angry without resorting to physical violence.[/QUOTE]
I'm not excusing anything here.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409217]You can get angry without resorting to physical violence.[/QUOTE]
Some people can, some people can't. For some it could just be from the straw that broke the camels back. If you've never been so angry you've wanted to exert yourself physically due to so much built adrenaline, then you haven't really ever been angry.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;50409227]man sometimes i wonder why folk who suffer from domestic abuse/abusive partners etc don't come forward but this thread pretty much sums it up[/QUOTE]
because everyone isn't instantly on the same page of a person who's been accused of something is definitely guilty of it, and there's definitely no context, nuance or anything else to the situation, right?
what he did was wrong
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;50409227]man sometimes i wonder why folk who suffer from domestic abuse/abusive partners etc don't come forward but this thread pretty much sums it up[/QUOTE]
yeah man you're so earnest, why can't these immoral babboons be more like you. How dare they have a mature discussion on forum. sickens me
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409235]Some people can, some people can't. For some it could just be from the straw that broke the camels back. If you've never been so angry you've wanted to exert yourself physically due to so much built adrenaline, then you haven't really ever been angry.[/QUOTE]
If you're beating people every time you get angry that's not normal. You should be in anger management.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409243]yeah man you're so earnest, why can't these immoral babboons be more like you. How dare they have a mature discussion on forum. sickens me[/QUOTE]
Mature discussion? You've been whining about 'moral crusades' for three pages but now you want a mature discussion?
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409205]No, because all his post does is downplay her fear of abuse and paint her as an instigator
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That's what you're reading into it.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409257]If you're beating people every time you get angry that's not normal. You should be in anger management.[/QUOTE]
so now it's gone from being parental loss grief, to just any time ones mad, not in his post, but in your post?
Good to see you changed his argument for him.
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