Actor Johnny Depp accused of assaulting his wife with mobile phone, ordered by judge to fuck off
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[QUOTE=plunger435;50409217]You can get angry without resorting to physical violence.[/QUOTE]
Not everybody can keep a lid on their emotions or are capable of reacting to a situation in a calm, measured way. Even individuals with calm, measured thoughts on a normal basis can, if a situation happens to be going badly enough, particularly if they were under mental distress for any given reason before, would be reasonably expected to become angry if somebody happens to bait them by doing something really cruel like make fun of their parent after they died.
All he's saying is that shit happens if somebody gets pushed past breaking point. It doesn't excuse what they did, certainly, but they'll probably feel horrible about it too after the fact, especially if they aren't normally capable of doing such a thing.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409264]so now it's gone from being parental loss grief, to just any time ones mad, not in his post, but in your post?
Good to see you changed his argument for him.[/QUOTE]
Now we're saying without any doubt she provoked him about his dead parents? Did I miss that part in the article?
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409279]Now we're saying without any doubt she provoked him about his dead parents? Did I miss that part in the article?[/QUOTE]
where did I say that? Please, point it out. Bold it.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409243]yeah man you're so earnest, why can't these immoral babboons be more like you. How dare they have a mature discussion on forum. sickens me[/QUOTE]
saying she brought it on herself isn't a mature discussion, it's trying to justify your own internalised sexism by framing it as a rational argument
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50409265]Not everybody can keep a lid on their emotions or are capable of reacting to a situation in a calm, measured way. Even individuals with calm, measured thoughts on a normal basis can, if a situation happens to be going badly enough, particularly if they were under mental distress for any given reason before, would be reasonably expected to become angry if somebody happens to bait them by doing something really cruel like make fun of their parent after they died.
All he's saying is that shit happens if somebody gets pushed past breaking point. It doesn't excuse what they did, certainly, but they'll probably feel horrible about it too after the fact, especially if they aren't normally capable of doing such a thing.[/QUOTE]
Where did we come to the conclusion she was making fun of Depps dead parent.
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;50409283]saying she brought it on herself isn't a mature discussion, it's trying to justify your own internalised sexism by framing it as a rational argument[/QUOTE]
oh wow.
there's a lot to unpack there.
Starting with the sexism claim, that's entirely baseless. That's actually your internalalized crap.
Why do I say that? None of what he said was sexualized or limited to a gender. I'm betting, if ANYONE was the instigator, he'd be arguing the same argument, man or woman, but no, you HAVE to be a white knight, and assume you know what he's thinking, right?
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409289]Where did we come to the conclusion she was making fun of Depps dead parent.[/QUOTE]
We didn't it's speculation just as much as your posts are
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409295]oh wow.
there's a lot to unpack there.
Starting with the sexism claim, that's entirely baseless. That's actually your internalalized crap.
Why do I say that? None of what he said was sexualized or limited to a gender. I'm betting, if ANYONE was the instigator, he'd be arguing the same argument, man or woman, but no, you HAVE to be a white knight, and assume you know what he's thinking, right?
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
We didn't it's speculation just as much as your posts are[/QUOTE]
No I'm basing my posts on what the reports actually say happened.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409316]No I'm basing my posts on what the reports actually say happened.[/QUOTE]
Pretty scant on details that aren't based on speculation inside the article itself though.
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
I'm not assuming I know she did anything. I'm not dismissing his guilt, or anything. But I guess if I don't just instantly assume he's a violent fucktard all the time, outside of serious bouts of grief, I'm wrong in the worst way?
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409257]If you're beating people every time you get angry that's not normal. You should be in anger management.[/QUOTE]
Since when the fuck does what I said translate to "if you're angry you get violent". Reread the post and come back to me jesus christ.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409322]Pretty scant on details that aren't based on speculation inside the article itself though.
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
I'm not assuming I know she did anything. I'm not dismissing his guilt, or anything. But I guess if I don't just instantly assume he's a violent fucktard all the time, outside of serious bouts of grief, I'm wrong in the worst way?[/QUOTE]
Not really there are pictures of bruises, along with her testimony, both of which the judge found compelling enough to grant a restraining order on. Meanwhile Johnny Depp hasn't accused her of making fun of his dead parent.
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409342]Since when the fuck does what I said translate to "if you're angry you get violent". Reread the post and come back to me jesus christ.[/QUOTE]
You said you're not really angry unless you want to beat someone. That's not normal.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409345]Not really there are pictures of bruises, along with her testimony, both of which the judge found compelling enough to grant a restraining order on. Meanwhile Johnny Depp hasn't accused her of making fun of his dead parent.[/QUOTE]
That's not the point though? The point is just because someone has an episode doesn't mean that is who they are on a day-to-day basis.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409345]Not really there are pictures of bruises, along with her testimony, both of which the judge found compelling enough to grant a restraining order on. Meanwhile Johnny Depp hasn't accused her of making fun of his dead parent.[/QUOTE]
Holy. Fuck. Balls.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
I have not, and did not, and will not, dismiss her bruises, or have I ever said it didn't happen. Nor did I say the judge was wrong. You know what? I'm done. You're not reading posts, you're assuming you know we're defending him, not explaining his actions or trying to show a different side of the argument(because this is a one sided coin and these events have only one side to the story, you've proven that here).
When you start pushing the concept of "emotion is sometimes uncontrollable", then you need to account for all parties involved. If Depp's uncontrollable emotion pushed him to do something like physically get violent with her, then okay. Yes, he should still be punished, but if it was his emotion and lack of control that caused it, then okay. I get what you're saying.
But then, should not the woman's emotion be taken into consideration as well? If [I]her[/I] over-the-top emotional response is to be afraid that he is going to come and perform further acts of violence, then is that not understandable by the same token??? Yes, her words are exaggerative, but so were his actions.
You can't back one without the other.
Obviously, this is implying things that may or may not have happened, but I'm just saying when you bring emotional motivation into it, you have to give that allowance to all parties involved.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409345]Not really there are pictures of bruises, along with her testimony, both of which the judge found compelling enough to grant a restraining order on. Meanwhile Johnny Depp hasn't accused her of making fun of his dead parent.
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
You said you're not really angry unless you want to beat someone. That's not normal.[/QUOTE]
The fuck? I said if you havent gotten so angry that you wanted to exert yourself physically then you've never really been angry. Because legitamite anger comes with adrenaline and other hormones that make you prepared for physical action. Physical exertion isn't only violence.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409345]Not really there are pictures of bruises, along with her testimony, both of which the judge found compelling enough to grant a restraining order on. [b]Meanwhile Johnny Depp hasn't accused her of making fun of his dead parent[/b].
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
You said you're not really angry unless you want to beat someone. That's not normal.[/QUOTE]
What is an example?
the point is if somebody becomes angry and does something, that doesnt automatically mean they will default to that kind of behavior in similar situations.
Also, everybody has different definitions of when they're angry, or really angry. Not everybody can keep their emotions on a tight leash, a fact you'd do well to consider.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409362]Holy. Fuck. Balls.
You have a reading comprehension problem.
I have not, and did not, and will not, dismiss her bruises, or have I ever said it didn't happen. Nor did I say the judge was wrong. You know what? I'm done. You're not reading posts, you're assuming you know we're defending him, not explaining his actions or trying to show a different side of the argument([B]because this is a one sided coin and these events have only one side to the story, you've proven that here[/B]).[/QUOTE]
Because Johnny Depp won't comment on it. So there's no point to assume he was baited into it.
[QUOTE=Pascall;50409366]When you start pushing the concept of "emotion is sometimes uncontrollable", then you need to account for all parties involved. If Depp's uncontrollable emotion pushed him to do something like physically get violent with her, then okay. Yes, he should still be punished, but if it was his emotion and lack of control that caused it, then okay. I get what you're saying.
But then, should not the woman's emotion be taken into consideration as well? If [I]her[/I] over-the-top emotional response is to be afraid that he is going to come and perform further acts of violence, then is that not understandable by the same token??? Yes, her words are exaggerative, but so were his actions.
You can't back one without the other.
Obviously, this is implying things that may or may not have happened, but I'm just saying when you bring emotional motivation into it, you have to give that allowance to all parties involved.[/QUOTE]
Dude, nobody is saying that he doesn't deserve punishment. We're saying that just because shit happens doesn't mean the man is some dangerous violent person.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409387]Dude, nobody is saying that he doesn't deserve punishment. We're saying that just because shit happens doesn't mean the man is some dangerous violent person.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know.
Did you read my post lol.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409386]Because Johnny Depp won't comment on it. So there's no point to assume he was baited into it.[/QUOTE]
Yup, ignore the majority and point of the post to sperg out over some discrepency that all parties in the conversation are aware of and have already discussed. Like clockwork.
[QUOTE=RobL;50409263]That's what you're reading into it.[/QUOTE]
I think it's pretty clear cut? His first line questions how she could possibly live in fear because he threw a phone, the rest of his post chalks it up to a single fit of rage, and the last line puts her in the position of instigator. Explain, what other meaning do you get from it?
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409387]Dude, nobody is saying that he doesn't deserve punishment. We're saying that just because shit happens doesn't mean the man is some dangerous violent person.[/QUOTE]
No one is saying that?
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409387]Dude, nobody is saying that he doesn't deserve punishment. We're saying that just because shit happens doesn't mean the man is some dangerous violent person.[/QUOTE]
Except sometimes he is. That doesn't mean he's always like that. But sometimes he is. She shouldn't have to live with the fear that one day he might have another emotional outburst.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409400]Yup, ignore the majority and point of the post to sperg out over some discrepency that all parties in the conversation are aware of and have already discussed. Like clockwork.[/QUOTE]
If people hadn't continuously posted about some made up scenario then it wouldn't be necessary to point that out. His entire post was saying he wasn't trying to paint Johnny Depps side or put words in his mouth. Then he ends his post saying that's what he's doing.
[QUOTE=BOXHOUND;50409404]Except sometimes he is. That doesn't mean he's always like that. But sometimes he is. She shouldn't have to live with the fear that one day he might have another emotional outburst.[/QUOTE]
Of course, I just don't think it's right for the public to villify the guy is all.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50409418]Of course, I just don't think it's right for the public to villify the guy is all.[/QUOTE]
Why not? If you beat your significant other you should be prepared to face the repercussions.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409409]If people hadn't continuously posted about some made up scenario then it wouldn't be necessary to point that out. His entire post was saying he wasn't trying to paint Johnny Depps side or put words in his mouth. Then he ends his post saying that's what he's doing.[/QUOTE]
how is that at all what i did
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50409429]sometimes i gotta wonder the logic of people who think a woman would lie about her abuse just for alimony, especially a funny loophole considering shes getting a restraining order too[/QUOTE]
who said she's lying? jesus christ...
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50409429]sometimes i gotta wonder the logic of people who think a woman would lie about her abuse just for alimony, especially a funny loophole considering shes getting a restraining order too[/QUOTE]
People are not getting the simple fact that a woman would not make the effort of filing a writ petition to a Judge if she didn't have a damn good reason too. A restraining order is a lengthy process and her demonstration to engage in it is already convincing enough for the Judge to issue a preliminarily injunction against Mr. Depp.
I am already aware of the concept of innocent until proven guilty. I will accept that concept in this case as I have accepted holding Chris Brown "innocent until proven guilty" as photos surfaced of the bruises of Rhianna's face while still reserving the right to call them both wife-beaters before trial.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409428]Why not? If you beat your significant other you should be prepared to face the repercussions.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but the kind of repercussions a celebrity can face for having a lapse of mentality is pretty disgusting. One this is a domestic problem between the two people, any other normal people wouldn't make headlines and people wouldn't care nearly as much, and would even be considered none of your business. Another is the fact that they are recognized everywhere they go, so things like this can and probably will lead to constant public harassment. Punishment is one thing, but stuff like that is appauling.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409441]who said she's lying? jesus christ...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Van-man;50407289]Depp's always been sort of a mess, but something smells fishy about this case.
Not doubting the "irreconcilable differences." part though, but I'm getting the vibe she might have 'prettified' some details in order to easier get a divorce with high payout.[/QUOTE]
[editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
jesus christ indeed
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50409462][editline]28th May 2016[/editline]
jesus christ indeed[/QUOTE]
holy shit, one post. "All of these people," god damn, every single one of them ignorant.
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