• Actor Johnny Depp accused of assaulting his wife with mobile phone, ordered by judge to fuck off
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[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50410102]A filthy rich couple getting into a fight? [B]Hollywood wife with a slightly blackened eye?[/B] [B]I don't even know which one to blame here[/B], and for what.[/QUOTE] Sounds like you answered your own question.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50410077]just cherrypick any post from the first page but dont worry none of those posts really meant what youd think at all see??[/QUOTE] I count two, tops. And those weren't even saying "SHE'S A FUCKING LIAR" they were questioning the story. Is questioning the story victim blaming now?
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50410247]true, it actually reads "i didnt read the article and i have a very knowledgeable subject about innocent until proven guilty"[/QUOTE] If only that sentence was understandable, then we'd be having a conversation and you wouldn't just be babbling at me about something I don't fucking believe.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50410285]the fact that judges dont hand out restriction orders willy nilly, then theres people going "innocent until proven guilty"[/QUOTE] because it is innocent until proven guilty and some people were acting like he's already gone through a fucking trial. yes the judge did those things people aren't denying that Honestly, the more you elaborate why your upset, the less I understand why you're upset. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] You say, literally, "Cherry pick any post from the first page". Sure. I'll do so. And then you'll see why your generalization is wrong, or maybe you won't
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50410296]because it is innocent until proven guilty and some people were acting like he's already gone through a fucking trial. yes the judge did those things people aren't denying that Honestly, the more you elaborate why your upset, the less I understand why you're upset. [editline]28th May 2016[/editline] You say, literally, "Cherry pick any post from the first page". Sure. I'll do so. And then you'll see why your generalization is wrong, or maybe you won't[/QUOTE] Who's acting like he's already gone to trial, though? All I saw was people making character judgments like "Johnny Depp seems pretty unstable" and in response people screamed "innocent until proven guilty!!" which is the problem I think Butthurter is referring to.
A lot of the stuff I've read about this pisses me off. "Oh she didn't have injuries when the cops showed up!" Hey guess what? Bruises aren't always instant. "She's just a gold digger!" Who cares? Maybe she is but that doesn't ever give him the right to lay hands on her. "A phone can't do that!" That's just fucking stupid. "He's Johnny Depp,not Charlie Manson." Physical abuse is terrifying no matter who does it. My ex is an inch shorter than me,I'm like 5'4",and he still scared the hell out of me when he'd go on a rampage. And it doesn't always have to get physical to leave you scared to death. Get screamed at,threatened to be hit,humiliated and talked down to constantly every single day for 12 years and you'll know what I mean. It only got physical like 5 times the entire time but I still lived in fear.
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50410423]Who's acting like he's already gone to trial, though? All I saw was people making character judgments like "Johnny Depp seems pretty unstable" and in response people screamed "innocent until proven guilty!!" which is the problem I think Butthurter is referring to.[/QUOTE] As uncomfortable as it may be for some people here, you can only assume he's guilty, you do not [B]know[/B] he is guilty. That's why people reiterate that ever so annoying, oh so grating phrase, that it's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The court of public opinion is stupid in my opinion, but he'll just have to deal with that either way, but the court of public opinion is meaningless, and as much as we all may want to assume he's a violent person, that's all it is, an assumption.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50410492]its almost like people think visible bruises are just like in the movies or something[/QUOTE] It's so stupid. The very last time my ex got violent he pushed me down,I landed on the corner of the coffee table and a little trash can. It took a few hours for the head to toe bruises to show up. Had I actually called the cops right after he did it they wouldn't have been there.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50410467]As uncomfortable as it may be for some people here, you can only assume he's guilty, you do not [B]know[/B] he is guilty. That's why people reiterate that ever so annoying, oh so grating phrase, that it's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The court of public opinion is stupid in my opinion, but he'll just have to deal with that either way, but the court of public opinion is meaningless, and as much as we all may want to assume he's a violent person, that's all it is, an assumption.[/QUOTE] No shit? I don't know he's guilty but all I am saying is it doesn't look very good for him. Are we not allowed to speculate?
[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50410561]No shit? I don't know he's guilty but all I am saying is it doesn't look very good for him. Are we not allowed to speculate?[/QUOTE] Where did I say that
Apparently the same posts where people said he was guilty (that is, nowhere).
[QUOTE=plunger435;50409279]Now we're saying without any doubt she provoked him about his dead parents? Did I miss that part in the article?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409280]where did I say that? Please, point it out. Bold it.[/QUOTE] I'm not Plunger and I'm quite late, but here you go [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409159]Alright, just so I understand the mentality of people here, lets say, you lost your parent. Now, a day later, [B]someone provokes you constantly[/B]. Of course you're not going to even give them the slightest rise right because you're all in total control of your emotions, and never do things you regret in grief?[/QUOTE] This is at best a bullshit strawman hypothetical, and at worst a statement about the actions of Ms. Heard based entirely upon your own speculation
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50411279]I'm not Plunger and I'm quite late, but here you go This is at best a bullshit strawman hypothetical, and at worst a statement about the actions of Ms. Heard based entirely upon your own speculation[/QUOTE] no that was literally a hypothetical I was asking because I just wonder if people have A) Lost their parents and B) had provocation afterwords. I have. I feel like there may be some context, or relevancy in having experienced those things. And, in what way, shape or form, is that actually even remotely close to endorsement of his behavior or an indication of hers when it is not a question about him and her specifically, but one to the people casting judgement. Is asking people if they've had similar experiences while they're casting judgement a particularly bad thing? I got into the argument because I know how powerful grief and emotion is, and I was never once trying to excuse his actions or anything like that as I have repeatedly, and incessantly had to go over, and over and over again for whatever reason. I can't just be having a discussion, I have to be tacitly endorsing his behavior based upon the insistence that I hold those views by people who are not myself. Knowing, and sympathizing with the pain one can face upon the loss of someone like a parent is not me excusing his behaviour, so fucking stop it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50409159]Alright, just so I understand the mentality of people here, lets say, you lost your parent. Now, a day later, someone provokes you constantly. Of course you're not going to even give them the slightest rise right because you're all in total control of your emotions, and never do things you regret in grief?[/QUOTE] Hurt feelings does not offer grounds to excuse a crime. At best it makes for attenuating circumstances because a crime of passion will not receive a sentence as harsh as the same crime but premeditated. Your ramblings about how it's only natural and unavoidable to get angry about losing family is irrelevant because as natural and unavoidable as it may be, the law still doesn't give you free range to hit someone just because you're mad.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50412944]Hurt feelings does not offer grounds to excuse a crime. At best it makes for attenuating circumstances because a crime of passion will not receive a sentence as harsh as the same crime but premeditated. Your ramblings about how it's only natural and unavoidable to get angry about losing family is irrelevant because as natural and unavoidable as it may be, the law still doesn't give you free range to hit someone just because you're mad.[/QUOTE] It's not excusable but it's certainly understandable. I don't think anybody is saying that because it's natural then he doesn't deserve to be punished.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50413684]It's not excusable but it's certainly understandable. [B]I don't think anybody is saying that because it's natural[/B] then he doesn't deserve to be punished.[/QUOTE] I see, beating your spouse is natural now.
Getting angry and throwing an object is natural, yes. Doesn't make it right, but still natural.
Why is throwing stuff at someone you supposedly love natural? In what sort of nature is that natural?
Human nature, and probably any other species capable of throwing things.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50413815]Why is throwing stuff at someone you supposedly love natural? In what sort of nature is that natural?[/QUOTE] Actually theres a comedic history of women throwing things at men when there's a domestic argument, but hey when its the other way around its suddenly taken alot more seriously. There is huge holes in this standing out thought from apparently police saying there was no injury to her deleting an instagram post the day after showing no mark at all, plus his previous recorded relationships have gone on record saying he was never the type of person she is making him out to be.
[QUOTE=Source;50414048]Actually theres a comedic history of women throwing things at men when there's a domestic argument, but hey when its the other way around its suddenly taken alot more seriously. There is huge holes in this standing out thought from apparently police saying there was no injury to her deleting an instagram post the day after showing no mark at all, plus his previous recorded relationships have gone on record saying he was never the type of person she is making him out to be.[/QUOTE]That is true and sad, hopefully feminism will change it as times progresses. Throwing stuff or being violent towards a person who is not trying to physically harm you should never happen. If it's not done in defense, you need help. If it's done to you, you need to leave. [editline]29th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50413994]Human nature, and probably any other species capable of throwing things.[/QUOTE] Can you name any examples or any sort of evidence to that? In what nature do humans or animals abuse those close to them?
[QUOTE=Source;50414048][B]Actually theres a comedic history of women throwing things at men when there's a domestic argument, but hey when its the other way around its suddenly taken alot more seriously.[/B] There is huge holes in this standing out thought from apparently police saying there was no injury to her deleting an instagram post the day after showing no mark at all, plus his previous recorded relationships have gone on record saying he was never the type of person she is making him out to be.[/QUOTE] No it's taken seriously anytime someone domestically abuses someone else, especially when they have to file a restraining order and end up bruised.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50414064] Can you name any examples or any sort of evidence to that? In what nature do humans or animals abuse those close to them?[/QUOTE] You're making it sound like this is an every day thing for them and not a single incident. Either way I'm here to post my opinion, not educate you. you can use google. [editline]29th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=plunger435;50414200]No it's taken seriously anytime someone domestically abuses someone else, especially when they have to file a restraining order and end up bruised.[/QUOTE] Says you, there are plenty of cases where women throwing objects at their spouses is used as a point of comedy.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50414209]You're making it sound like this is an every day thing for them and not a single incident.[/QUOTE] [quote]Her filing alleged a history of abuse throughout the relationship.[/quote]
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;50414209]You're making it sound like this is an every day thing for them and not a single incident. Either way I'm here to post my opinion, not educate you. you can use google. [/QUOTE] Your "opinion" seems to be objectively wrong then? Because it isn't natural.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50414241]Your "opinion" seems to be objectively wrong then? Because it isn't natural.[/QUOTE] It happens every day, and has happenened since the dawn of animals being able to throw things. Sounds pretty natural to me. [editline]29th May 2016[/editline] "Alleged" [QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50414240]quotes[/QUOTE] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("I thought you were done with this thread" - Starpluck))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=plunger435;50414200]No it's taken seriously anytime someone domestically abuses someone else, especially when they have to file a restraining order and end up bruised.[/QUOTE] Female-on-male domestic abuse treated just the same as male-on-female? Thats a good one.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50412690]no that was literally a hypothetical I was asking because I just wonder if people have A) Lost their parents and B) had provocation afterwords. I have. I feel like there may be some context, or relevancy in having experienced those things. And, in what way, shape or form, is that actually even remotely close to endorsement of his behavior or an indication of hers when it is not a question about him and her specifically, but one to the people casting judgement. Is asking people if they've had similar experiences while they're casting judgement a particularly bad thing? I got into the argument because I know how powerful grief and emotion is, and I was never once trying to excuse his actions or anything like that as I have repeatedly, and incessantly had to go over, and over and over again for whatever reason. I can't just be having a discussion, I have to be tacitly endorsing his behavior based upon the insistence that I hold those views by people who are not myself. Knowing, and sympathizing with the pain one can face upon the loss of someone like a parent is not me excusing his behaviour, so fucking stop it.[/QUOTE] You're insistent that you're not excusing this behaviour, but you must realise the implication behind posting such a hypothetical. By saying "imagine losing a parent and then having someone provoke you incessantly", you're rationalising this behaviour by shifting the blame onto the 'provoker'. You're even saying it's a hypothetical that has nothing to do with this case, and the only reason you're saying that is because the facts do not support such a hypothetical occurring here. If it has nothing to do with this case, it's irrelevant. I could go into a thread on the Clinton email scandal, and say "you know what folks, sometimes I use the same password for multiple accounts, aren't we all a little guilty of waiving safety in preference of practicality?". And you know what? It wouldn't be relevant because it's anecdotal experience that I'm mistakingly applying to a real world case with different facts. Furthermore, it would absolutely look like I was excusing Clinton of wrongdoing, just as it looks like that's what you're doing here with Depp. Quite frankly you seem way too emotionally invested in this argument. This restraining order is in response to a history of abuse, not an isolated incident brought on by a situation that you personally empathise with. The response in this thread has been quite shocking, with a lot of people suggesting that Heard was lying because her bruises didn't form instantly. Perhaps it's because Johnny Depp seems like such a likable character in his acting roles, and it's preferable to think he wouldn't do this, but all evidence suggests he did.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50414667]Female-on-male domestic abuse treated just the same as male-on-female? Thats a good one.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no one sees a bruised face, finds out the spouse did it, then has a hearty laugh about it.
[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50414784]You're insistent that you're not excusing this behaviour, but you must realise the implication behind posting such a hypothetical. By saying "imagine losing a parent and then having someone provoke you incessantly", you're rationalising this behaviour by shifting the blame onto the 'provoker'. You're even saying it's a hypothetical that has nothing to do with this case, and the only reason you're saying that is because the facts do not support such a hypothetical occurring here. If it has nothing to do with this case, it's irrelevant. I could go into a thread on the Clinton email scandal, and say "you know what folks, sometimes I use the same password for multiple accounts, aren't we all a little guilty of waiving safety in preference of practicality?". And you know what? It wouldn't be relevant because it's anecdotal experience that I'm mistakingly applying to a real world case with different facts. Furthermore, it would absolutely look like I was excusing Clinton of wrongdoing, just as it looks like that's what you're doing here with Depp. Quite frankly you seem way too emotionally invested in this argument. This restraining order is in response to a history of abuse, not an isolated incident brought on by a situation that you personally empathise with. The response in this thread has been quite shocking, with a lot of people suggesting that Heard was lying because her bruises didn't form instantly. Perhaps it's because Johnny Depp seems like such a likable character in his acting roles, and it's preferable to think he wouldn't do this, but all evidence suggests he did.[/QUOTE] Read the fucking thread. Count how many times I say he's guilty. Yes I got emotional. I have lost a parent so I can relate. Not once did I excuse his behaviour no matter your insistence that I did.
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