• Islam Banned in Angola
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[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;42972624]And back on topic, if they wanted to wipe away Islamism, then the way to go is just to open knowledge to everyone. Basically, the more educated and informed people are, the less they tend to follow a religion. But it is a long damn process, usually takes more than a couple of generations.[/QUOTE] Im just gonna go grammar Nazi on you. It isn't Islamism it is just Islam.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;42971919]I am almost more horrified at the ratings that the OP got [img]http://puu.sh/5spIL.png[/img] ... seriously?[/QUOTE] Totalitarian policies are okay as long as you agree with it.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972636]Im just gonna go grammar Nazi on you. It isn't Islamism it is just Islam.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I get lost sometimes somewhere along the spanish -> english translation.
[QUOTE=draugur;42972513]So you're saying because they were persecuted before it is suddenly okay for them to persecute people? On that same track of thought Israel isn't doing anything wrong because Jews were persecuted by Nazi Germany. Please correct me if that's not what you're saying, because that's what it sounds like to me.[/QUOTE] no i'm saying it's silly to act like the romans were any better than the christians when atrocities was a part of their daily life [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972519]When it is used in the wrong way yes, you cannot say that all relgion is is a tool of domination that preposterous[/QUOTE] well, i can say all organized religion is
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42972677]no i'm saying it's silly to act like the romans were any better than the christians when atrocities was a part of their daily life [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] well, i can say all organized religion is[/QUOTE] Not really, Its all around Leaders of a church following what the Bible, or the Torah, or the Koran says. They share this with the followers of the religion. People may have created autocracies around religion in the past but not any more. You make it sound like anyone who follows any type of organized religion lives in the dark ages
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972750]Not really, Its all around Leaders of a church following what the Bible, or the Torah, or the Koran says. They share this with the followers of the religion. People may have created autocracies around religion in the past but not any more. You make it sound like anyone who follows any type of organized religion lives in the dark ages[/QUOTE] what does the word "islam" mean? what is the core principle of christianity?
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972750]Not really, Its all around Leaders of a church following what the Bible, or the Torah, or the Koran says. They share this with the followers of the religion. People may have created autocracies around religion in the past but not any more. You make it sound like anyone who follows any type of organized religion lives in the dark ages[/QUOTE] i can't think of a single organized religion that wasn't/isn't used to control the masses and make life better for the few at the top [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42972770]what does the word "islam" mean? what is the core principle of christianity?[/QUOTE] and this is a fair point too, the idea of most religions is to put a deity and it's set of rules and principles above yourself, sounds like domination to me
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42972776]i can't think of a single organized religion that wasn't/isn't used to control the masses and make life better for the few at the top[/QUOTE] *Warning Biased Post incoming* Christianity good sir has made my life very fine it helps me get through the day. Reminds me that there os somthing better out their for all of us. Without Christianity I might not be here. Ive fealt depressed before and being a teenager thats not really the best thing. It helps me feel better about myself and makes me want to help others too. Im known for being a nice, friendly helping kind of guy. And all of this I can honestly without a doubt say is because od Christianity. So before you say another thing to slander an organized religion [editline]24th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42972770]what does the word "islam" mean? what is the core principle of christianity?[/QUOTE] Islam means to embrace allah I believe, amd the core principle of Christianity to love each other, forgive, and to be at peace with one another.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972814] Islam means to embrace allah I believe[/quote] "voluntary submission to God" [quote]amd the core principle of Christianity to love each other, forgive, and to be at peace with one another.[/QUOTE] so a muslim goes to heaven according to the christian religion?
I guess Angola just condemned themselves to many terrorist attacks now.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972814]*Warning Biased Post incoming* Christianity good sir has made my life very fine it helps me get through the day. Reminds me that there os somthing better out their for all of us. Without Christianity I might not be here. Ive fealt depressed before and being a teenager thats not really the best thing. It helps me feel better about myself and makes me want to help others too. Im known for being a nice, friendly helping kind of guy. And all of this I can honestly without a doubt say is because od Christianity. So before you say another thing to slander an organized religion [editline]24th November 2013[/editline] Islam means to embrace allah I believe, amd the core principle of Christianity to love each other, forgive, and to be at peace with one another.[/QUOTE] well, obviously there's a reason people become religious and what you've described is one of them. i don't want to offend you but i personally don't think it's healthy to base your happiness & goodness on a religion and i think it's easily possible to be a happy and good person without religion but i have no problem with peoples personal faith. i still find the idea of organized religion a bad one though. and islam means 'to submit' and the core principle of christianity is that the key to everlasting life is the acceptance of jesus christ as the son of god or whatever
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42972872]well, obviously there's a reason people become religious and what you've described is one of them. i don't want to offend you but i personally don't think it's healthy to base your happiness & goodness on a religion and i think it's easily possible to be a happy and good person without religion but i have no problem with peoples personal faith. i still find the idea of organized religion a bad one though. and islam means 'to submit' and the core principle of christianity is that the key to everlasting life is the acceptance of jesus christ as the son of god or whatever[/QUOTE] 1 timothy 6:15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42972872]well, obviously there's a reason people become religious and what you've described is one of them. i don't want to offend you but i personally don't think it's healthy to base your happiness & goodness on a religion and i think it's easily possible to be a happy and good person without religion but i have no problem with peoples personal faith. i still find the idea of organized religion a bad one though. and islam means 'to submit' and the core principle of christianity is that the key to everlasting life is the acceptance of jesus christ as the son of god or whatever[/QUOTE] The thing with me personally with religion is that it gives me hope, somthing not much else in this world can give you. Hope is somthing that everyone needs and someone does not have hope what do they have besides a fate in which we all just end, and that is somthing I do nit wish to believe
I find it amazing that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all about the same god, yet find reasons to hate each other for how they worship said god.
[QUOTE=draugur;42972926]I find it amazing that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all about the same god, yet find reasons to hate each other for how they worship said god.[/QUOTE] It all has to do with the who the three religions belive the messiah is, but i agree it is ridiculous,
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972902]The thing with me personally with religion is that it gives me hope, somthing not much else in this world can give you. Hope is somthing that everyone needs and someone does not have hope what do they have besides a fate in which we all just end, and that is somthing I do nit wish to believe[/QUOTE] once you come to terms with that fate, you can begin to put your hope in the things that are possible. [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] we will all die and cease to exist whether we have "hope" or not. it's such a silly thing to worry about. why try and fight off the inevitable? live your life free from superstition and subjugation.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972902]The thing with me personally with religion is that it gives me hope, somthing not much else in this world can give you. Hope is somthing that everyone needs and someone does not have hope what do they have besides a fate in which we all just end, and that is somthing I do nit wish to believe[/QUOTE] fair enough, some people can't handle or don't want to handle the idea that maybe death is the end and maybe life doesn't have any objective point, and i have no problem with that. again, it's organized religion that i have a problem with
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42972994]once you come to terms with that fate, you can begin to put your hope in the things that are possible. [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] we will all die and cease to exist whether we have "hope" or not. it's such a silly thing to worry about. why try and fight off the inevitable? live your life free from superstition and subjugation.[/QUOTE] Because I belive there is a life after death, I dont belive that when we die that it is the end. I may seem, like a superstiutious nnut job but it is simply what I believe and what I always will believe
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42973030]Because I belive there is a life after death, I dont belive that when we die that it is the end. I may seem, like a superstiutious nnut job but it is simply what I believe and what I always will believe[/QUOTE] i never said you were a nut job, i said you were superstitious. being religious isn't nutty, it's the norm.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42973056]i never said you were a nut job, i said you were superstitious. being religious isn't nutty, it's the norm.[/QUOTE] Alright then I see no reason for us to argue about it, ive always been superstitous and I guess its gonna stay that way
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;42973015]fair enough, some people can't handle or don't want to handle the idea that maybe death is the end and maybe life doesn't have any objective point, and i have no problem with that. again, it's organized religion that i have a problem with[/QUOTE] It's not so much organized religion, as the idea of religion forming the core of many political systems. I.E. how some Americans have voted based on the Candidate's religion. (Or how religion is often used as a derogatory mark against a politician) Organized religion is fine, it's the point where it becomes a governing body (Or has strong influences in a governing body) that is a problem.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972221] That is a very biased, ignorant, and prejudice response, Muhammad lived nearly fifteen hundren years ago, and this was deemed acceptable at time, You are holding something people did over a milenia ago against them now, Get The Fuck Out[/QUOTE] They still fucking do shit like they did a long time ago.
[QUOTE=FLIPPY;42973268]They still fucking do shit like they did a long time ago.[/QUOTE] Still to judge a group of people because of what a percentage do is unethical
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;42972624]And back on topic, if they wanted to wipe away Islamism, then the way to go is just to open knowledge to everyone. Basically, the more educated and informed people are, the less they tend to follow a religion. But it is a long damn process, usually takes more than a couple of generations.[/QUOTE] You can still be very educated and informed and still want to follow a religion. Anyway the Islamophobia of some of the posts on this thread is fucking disgusting. (not talking about cutthecrap) [editline]25th November 2013[/editline] I want to know how many of the people badmouthing Muslims have actually met some
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;42972947]It all has to do with the who the three religions belive the messiah is, but i agree it is ridiculous,[/QUOTE] It's not about who the "Messiah" is. Islam recognizes Jesus as the Messiah and a prophet of God going as far as calling him Messiah in the Quran. They just don't believe he was the incarnation of god at that Mohammed was the last great prophet of God.
Angola is more akin to Nazism than communism. I bet they have nuclear weapons over there
[QUOTE=draugur;42972001]I honestly can't think of much corruption, I mean, Islam has been much more helpful to civilization as a whole than Catholicism. Catholics burned and destroyed so much knowledge on the basis of it being, "evil pagan knowledge" or other stupid things like that. Let's not get into how the clergy of Feudal Europe pretty much abused their positions of power to live like kings and use religion to wage wars at their whim. Vlad the Impaler and more. Islam is pretty much responsible for the idea of modern medicine, mathmatics, academia, etc... Other religions have been more tied to the destruction of knowledge. Pagan Rome > Catholic Rome, blah blah blah.[/QUOTE] The Catholic Church didn't destroy any information, they just didn't share it and sometimes lied to people so that they wouldn't try to figure it out for themselves. That's still bad, mind you, but information was wasn't destroyed, and if it was it wouldn't have been because of any paranoia about paganism. The general awfulness of the middle ages (which only became really, really awful once feudalism appeared) was primarily motivated by politics and Catholicism's involvement was usually there because it was extremely effective [I]in[/I] politics. Feudalism itself, for example, was originally a secular system. Catholicism and the threat of excommunication came in to play when it became impractical to enforce the system through military force alone due to the invention of stone castles. Either way, life was horrible for the average serf who never had any castles to begin with. Also, Rome was never catholic. While the Western Roman Empire did generally favor what would become Catholicism, Rome legally never got more specific than "christian". It is true that some pretty terrible zealots rose to power as Rome declined but they were Emperors, not Popes.
My family has some weird ties to the country. During the 90s, We were neighbors with the leader of the countries family, as he had them educated and such in the west. My brother was the best friend of the guys son.
[QUOTE=slayer64;42972179]Or, y'know, accept the fact that religions do shitloads of [I][B]good[/B][/I] for society, and are very beautiful at their cores, and the vast majority of religious people are ordinary, nonviolent people? Neither Islam nor Christianity have been responsible for acts of terror. [I]People[/I] are responsible for acts of terror, not religions. But yes, this is absolutely terrible, and my thoughts and prayers go out to the Muslims of Angola.[/QUOTE] Why did people disagree with this? He summed it up pretty much, you mean to tell me that if some guy that follows the same religion as me, burns down a house and claims that he's "right" and yet I don't do it and I -OPPOSE- him, I am the wrong one? And you partake in the negative crowd here which results against my religion? I mean excuse me, I respect anyone who respects me because I was taught to do it like this, but some people are getting ridiculous, in no way my religion tells me to bomb places and kill innocent people. But now you'll ask me: "What about those passages in the Qur'an which state about killing people!?" Well mate, if you'd read history and brush up your knowledge, when Islam began to rise there were Muslims who were oppressed, in no shape or form did I ever read in the Qur'an to "kill innocent people", nor was I taught in school to do this. Just because a few people understand it wrong and are brainwashed by the higher crowd who are in control it doesn't make it true. Is it wrong because I want some peace in this world? >.> Peace to all of you.. EDIT: I'm willing to answer your question as long as you keep it mature and nice.
[QUOTE=Black;42972408]People agreeing with this, please take some time to read what Islam is actually about, thank you![/QUOTE] A religion that follows a homophobic sexist book with a bigoted asshole of a god? Same goes for Christianity,but I don't agree with banning both since it does jackshit to diminishing a belief and also hurts people more than it helps. Heck,this would probably strengthens one's belief in their religion rather than make them give it up
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