• Anti-Obama billboard raises eyebrows
    175 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Esrange;25494121]Really? I don't believe refusing an ultimatum counts as trying to surrender EDIT [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Declaration[/url][/QUOTE] Potsdam totally sabotaged Japanese culture. They had the right to refuse it. McCarther himself said potsdam was not a good thing. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Esrange;25494315]Yeah i really shouldn't either. But I have a fascination with WWII and a horrible condition that makes me mildly annoyed when people skew the events.[/QUOTE] Your fascination seems to stop halfway. You and HumanAbyss seem to have this fantasy that mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings is A-OK!
[QUOTE=Warhol;25494507]Potsdam totally sabotaged Japanese culture. They had the right to refuse it. McCarther himself said potsdam was not a good thing.[/QUOTE] It was still an ultimatum, and after refusing it Japan did nothing to suggest they wanted to surrender. Even after their supply lines were cut by subs, they hunkered down and fortified Japan. While i don't have a specific article or name, i think I remember reading somewhere that they were shipping Japanese troops over to the shores in anticipation of a land/sea-based attack.
I guess Dwight Eisenhower, when explaining why the bombs were bad ideas, was lying through his teeth. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] And the whole trying to surrender through Soviet Lines thing was also a lie silly Ike [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] btw, you're not very smart.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25493936]Lets ignore the fact they were trying to surrender![/QUOTE] You did know that it was just a misinterpretation of words that led to the drop of the bomb?
[QUOTE=Warhol;25494669]I guess Dwight Eisenhower, when explaining why the bombs were bad ideas, was lying through his teeth. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] And the whole trying to surrender through Soviet Lines thing was also a lie silly Ike [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] btw, you're not very smart.[/QUOTE] You're telling me I couldn't have known that the Japanese were thinking, then you say Mister Ike was lieing. :raise: So, you think the bombs were a good thing? [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] Up, wait, found the emote i was looking for :colbert:
I now have negative faith in humanity, thanks world
[QUOTE=Warhol;25494669]I guess Dwight Eisenhower, when explaining why the bombs were bad ideas, was lying through his teeth. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] And the whole trying to surrender through Soviet Lines thing was also a lie.[/QUOTE] First off, there was the option to use a real-life win button and end the war immediately, or mount a full-scale invasion that would have resulted in hundreds of thousands of casualties for us (and imagine the outrage if we went with that, and the people found out that we [I]could[/I] have ended the war, but didn't). Besides, they would probably have ended up worse off with the Russians than they did with the bombs.
[QUOTE=Warhol;25494507]Your fascination seems to stop halfway. You and HumanAbyss seem to have this fantasy that mass murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings is A-OK![/QUOTE] Could you stop doing this? The part where you blow what people said out of proportion? [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] You're just as bad as glenn beck, jesus christ.
That billboard is either a really immature attack from the right, or a very crafty tactic from the left.
New avatar time. Gay Obama's face is hilarious.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;25500168]Could you stop doing this? The part where you blow what people said out of proportion? [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] You're just as bad as glenn beck, jesus christ.[/QUOTE] You're not the only one who noticed that, he takes ridiclum absurdium to a new level of stupid. Or whatever that term for ridicule by absurdity is, it's been a long day.
[QUOTE=The golden;25408306]How mature.[/QUOTE] They can depict Bush as Hitler, as well as any number of other things in an offensive context. I think this is perfectly fair game with that in mind, no matter how tasteless it may be. If they can do it to Bush without a word from anyone, the public at large would be hypocritical to object to this on similar grounds.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;25502996]They can depict Bush as Hitler, as well as any number of other things in an offensive context. I think this is perfectly fair game with that in mind, no matter how tasteless it may be. If they can do it to Bush without a word from anyone, the public at large would be hypocritical to object to this on similar grounds.[/QUOTE] Whilst I agree with you(What the fuck) Bush did push through far more extremely right wing things than Obama has done muslim things. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] Or anything else he's being compared to.
[url]http://www.billboardsforamerica.com/[/url] There was a giant one on I-75 laying all sorts of Hate on Obama. Remember something about God hating him.
[QUOTE=xpod1;25503032][url]http://www.billboardsforamerica.com/[/url] There was a giant one on I-75 laying all sorts of Hate on Obama. Remember something about God hating him.[/QUOTE] I saw just a few of those, and I've already gotten angry at the stupidity. You don't even have to like Obama to realize a lot of those are stupid.
wait i don't even get the billboard
[QUOTE=Jenkem;25502996]They can depict Bush as Hitler, as well as any number of other things in an offensive context. I think this is perfectly fair game with that in mind, no matter how tasteless it may be. If they can do it to Bush without a word from anyone, the public at large would be hypocritical to object to this on similar grounds.[/QUOTE] At least Nazi-Bush was consistent. It's hard to appear witty when you're making comparisons to muslims, mobsters, mexicans and gays for the same person. Why not throw in some sort of insect people while they're at it?
[QUOTE=Esrange;25491746]The Japanese government expected all its citizens to fight an invasion on their homeland. If you look back to when americans liberated Japanese towns on the islands around Japan, you'll see that many citizens killed themselves instead of being captured. Also you should look at Kamikaze pilots and solders, the Japanese culture expected one to sacrifice him or her self for the better good of Japan. Also you should note that the Soviets were itching to get hold of territory in Asia, if they invaded Japan themselves and not the Americans, they would have steam-rolled every city in their way. It would have been a slaughterhouse for the Japanese. I'd like to point out that you can't assume that Japanese civilians back then would have acted like we would. Most of them had been trained by the government to use pikes and spears in the event that there weren't enough guns to use. One of the main reasons Japan surrendered was because the Atomic bomb allowed allies to take out Japan without risking most of their own solders, Japan wanted us to invade so the allies would loose a good million or more solders fighting every-single Japanese. While i really can't explain everything, i really go wish you'd research your history more and try to understand why certain events happened, and not just argue some petty surface issues.[/QUOTE] so if the japanese were willing to die to a person then why would they even care about the atom bomb? i dont see how an invasion of japan would even be necessary. it's an island nation why couldn't they just blockade it or something. even if the bombs were necessary i still don't think the end justifies the means.
[QUOTE=Saxon;25460126]I hate those damn republicans. They're the people that make our nation look like idiots in the eyes of the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] But I have some republican views. :frown: You know like, not killing babies. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] Also, ITT: We argue about democracy.
[QUOTE=Fatman55;25503231] You know like, not killing babies. [/QUOTE] oh baby here we go
[QUOTE=Fatman55;25503231]But I have some republican views. :frown: You know like, not killing babies. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] Also, ITT: We argue about democracy.[/QUOTE] i too have republican views, like killing poor people and mexicans!
Of course I really don't know much about either so... [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [quote=lachz0r;25503253]i too have republican views, like killing poor people and mexicans![/quote] Yeah, that's the way to do it! [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [quote] [B] Support right to choose even if mother cannot pay [/B] Because we believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose, consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Rellow;25501861]New avatar time. Gay Obama's face is hilarious.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/9iCuB.png[/img] [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Jenkem;25502996]They can depict Bush as Hitler, as well as any number of other things in an offensive context. I think this is perfectly fair game with that in mind, no matter how tasteless it may be. If they can do it to Bush without a word from anyone, the public at large would be hypocritical to object to this on similar grounds.[/QUOTE] I would never compare anyone to hitler. [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] that's just low [editline]18th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Jabberwocky;25503156][b]At least Nazi-Bush was consistent.[/b] It's hard to appear witty when you're making comparisons to muslims, mobsters, mexicans and gays for the same person. Why not throw in some sort of insect people while they're at it?[/QUOTE] No it's not, Bush never exterminated 6 million people
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25503220]so if the japanese were willing to die to a person then why would they even care about the atom bomb? i dont see how an invasion of japan would even be necessary. it's an island nation why couldn't they just blockade it or something. even if the bombs were necessary i still don't think the end justifies the means.[/QUOTE] One way or the other, OVER a million lives would have been lost. A million in an invasion, minimum, on JUST our side, or... Bomb them and save those lives and the lives of the rest of the japanese nation that would have fought to the death to defend the nation. Either way, you're talking about millions dying. There's NO easy way to go about that. It's sad, but if we hadn't dropped the bomb, this argument would be "We should have dropped the bomb". it's ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;25503288] No it's not, Bush never exterminated 6 million people[/QUOTE] I said consistent, not justified.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.