• Boy who shot intruder says suspect 'cried like a little baby'
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50231638]Oh dear another thread full of middle class suburban liberals saying how evil the kid is despite probably never being confronted with a situation like this in their entire cushy lives lol.[/QUOTE] wew lad you have no idea of my political leanings or where i was raised/what class i am. Sorry I think shooting another human being is a disgusting and deplorable act, especially if he's running away from the scene of the crime and not stood there threatening to carve someone up.
I think the bigger question is: why did the kid have such easy access to a pistol? I'm not familiar with the laws of the south but I thought it was a law that you need to lock that stuff up.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50231822][B]Are you serious right now.[/B] So in an attempt to discredit their argument you start talking in some gang speak you likely heard in San Andreas? Is that what im reading right now? Alright. Are you the norm for literally the rest of the planet?[/QUOTE] nah im not being that serious, im fully aware most of the american posters here have a boner for guns and this sort of "my home is my castle and i can kill anyone who comes in" mentality. So it'd be pointless me having a proper debate here, we've all made up our minds already. EDIT: automerge broken
[QUOTE=Craigewan;50231873]See, I don't have any problem with the kid defending himself in that manner, what I'm finding somewhat chilling is his response afterwards, which seems more than a little desensitised to the violence he inflicted. Not saying he is wrong to have done so, but that his reaction to having done so is cause for concern.[/QUOTE] The kids just happy he doesn't have to live under the threat of some nutter breaking into his house any more and threatening to kill him, like any most people would. What did you expect the kid to break down into tears over a man who'd been nothing but a threat to his life? Honestly the people on this forum have way too much of a black and white view on situations like this. The kid isn't a psychopath, he didn't kill some innocent person who was of no harm which is something that would make him liable to be a psychopath, he killed a violent nut who the police apparently failed to deal with and allowed this family to end up in a situation like this. [editline]30th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231885]wew lad you have no idea of my political leanings or where i was raised/what class i am. Sorry I think shooting another human being is a disgusting and deplorable act, especially if he's running away from the scene of the crime and not stood there threatening to carve someone up.[/QUOTE] Well that's a pretty stupid black and white view to be honest.
Calling everyone who disagrees with this a middle class suburban liberal is also a pretty fucking retarded black and white thing dude. Again, nobody has justified the fact that the kid shot while the guy was running anyway. Anyone care to tell me why shooting a fleeing man is okay?
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231911]Calling everyone who disagrees with this a middle class suburban liberal is also a pretty black and white thing dude[/QUOTE] Not really, I expect people who think this is wrong to be the sort of people who've never had to deal with violent people in their lives, which tends to be middle class suburban liberals.
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;50231892]I think the bigger question is: why did the kid have such easy access to a pistol? I'm not familiar with the laws of the south but I thought it was a law that you need to lock that stuff up.[/QUOTE] i don't believe that alabama has laws requiring your weapons to be locked up. it also seems clear the kid had been raised around guns and taught about them so his parents probably thought it was safe enough to leave in a place where he could have access to it if needed
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231902]nah im not being that serious, im fully aware most of the american posters here have a boner for guns and this sort of "my home is my castle and i can kill anyone who comes in" sort of mentality.[/QUOTE] Your view on this is so illogical and smug it's ridiculous. You're acting like an actual negative stereotype of your homeland. The guy said he was going to kill the kid and ignored the fact that he had a gun before walking right past him. The kid is scared as fuck and starts shooting. I don't think anybody here is saying that the guy should have died, more that it was understandable that the kid acted the way he did considering the circumstances. If you can't grasp that I don't think the kid is the one who has difficulty connecting to human emotions [QUOTE=ElectronicG19]Again, nobody has justified the fact that the kid shot while the guy was running anyway. Anyone care to tell me why shooting a fleeing man is okay?[/QUOTE] It's not okay to shoot a fleeing man, but it's understandable that he made an unpleasant split-second decision considering his age and the circumstances. The guy told him he was going to kill him and then ran off, he probably didn't want him to come back, whether or not the intent was to actually kill him. Heat of the moment, I guess. I don't know the full story.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231902]nah im not being that serious, im fully aware most of the american posters here have a boner for guns and this sort of "my home is my castle and i can kill anyone who comes in" mentality. So it'd be pointless me having a proper debate here, we've all made up our minds already. EDIT: automerge broken[/QUOTE] Fuck me. Are you like, he UK's collective ego personified? What do you think the US is like? Mad Max? What the fuck.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231911] Again, nobody has justified the fact that the kid shot while the guy was running anyway. Anyone care to tell me why shooting a fleeing man is okay?[/QUOTE] Because it's a terrified 11 year old kid who doesn't want the nutter who just threatened to kill him to come back and actually do it? The police were clearly unable to stop this man considering he broke in multiple times so it was left up to the kid. Unfortunate the kid was put in that position but that's just how it was.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50231940]Fuck me. Are you like, he UK's collective ego personified? What do you think the US is like? Mad Max? What the fuck.[/QUOTE] Pretty much every US poster in this thread has said what the kid did is okay, very vocally pro-gun, that's what I meant. Again, please, someone clearly justify to me why shooting a man who is running away is an okay thing to do. [editline]30th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;50231955]Because it's a terrified 11 year old kid who doesn't want the nutter who just threatened to kill him to come back and actually do it? The police were clearly unable to stop this man considering he broke in multiple times so it was left up to the kid. Unfortunate the kid was put in that position but that's just how it was.[/QUOTE] Alright, I can see this. For the record lads, I am pro gun. I am not pro shooting people and then saying they "cried like a little baby". (I am also definitely not middle class and was definitely not raised in a nice area; I am a liberal, I'll give you that one.)
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231957]Pretty much every US poster in this thread has said what the kid did is okay, very vocally pro-gun, that's what I meant. Again, please, someone clearly justify to me why shooting a man who is running away is an okay thing to do.[/QUOTE] Can you just describe to me what you think living in the United States is like? Just, humor me, since you cant seem to empathize with an 11 year old during a home invasion scenario or understand context.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50231974][B]Can you just describe to me what you think living in the United States is like? [/B] Just, humor me, since you cant seem to empathize with an 11 year old during a home invasion scenario or understand context.[/QUOTE] Dunno mate, I've never been. If I was 11 and confronted by a burglar who threatened to kill me I'd shit myself and probably either freeze in place or run away. Maybe I was a little pussy 11-year-old.
To be honest with you he's an 11 year old kid. He's not going to be in the same state of mind that an adult would be in that kind of situation beyond that this guy broke into his home, took his stuff and got abusive with him. An 11 year old kid isn't exactly going to be thinking over the legal/ethical issues of it in the heat of the moment and TBH the dumbass brought it on himself and whilst I'm not out for a lunching he's lucky the kid's shot didn't lethally wound him, if anything.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231995]Dunno mate, I've never been. If I was 11 and confronted by a burglar who threatened to kill me I'd shit myself and probably either freeze in place or run away. Maybe I was a little pussy 11-year-old.[/QUOTE] Now imagine you have a fire arm. Now you have the means to fight back and/or intimidate the burglar who just threatened you. It's your house,your belongs,your family, and he's come back over and over and threaten to kill you this time. What would you do?
[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;50231663]Jesus fuck half this thread is literally [B]brit[/B] FPers trying to dictate what happens during a home invasion to Americans. Like it fucking laughable what is m seeing because nearly all the arguments that this kid is a crazed killer hold no water and it's just Antigun circle jerk. Jesus Christ, I live in Alabama and you fully except to rob someone's house, don't bitch and moan if someone pulls a weapon you for breaking in.[/QUOTE] FTFY. Please don't lump us glorious mainlanders with the island-dwelling pansies.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231995]If I was 11 and confronted by a burglar who threatened to kill me I'd shit myself and probably either freeze in place or run away. Maybe I was a little pussy 11-year-old. [/QUOTE] I for one am glad this kid had a gun and knew how to use it, granted shooting someone who is running away is a bit excessive but that can be ignored considering he's 11. If I lived in America I'd certainly make sure my family had easy access to a gun and knew how to use it, you can't compare it to the UK.
The kid has probably been playing something like Call of Duty or his father had taught him a thing or two about guns since he knew what FMJ and other bullet types are. Someone like me who only played fantasy games at that age wouldn't have known what this or that in real life could do. If you looked at the video in the second source, the kid said that the intruder took a .38(revolver, I believe) from upstairs and pointed it at the kid. Even after shit like that the kid stayed composed and fought back. The intruder was fucking armed and ready to kill the boy, if you're still going to use the "muh murder" card, you're fucking insane.
There's no way you can't not justify anyone killing a burgler that actually was about to kill one of the people in the home. The fact the boy claimed the guy "cried like a baby" is a reaction that really shouldn't be. Noone at 11 should have no problems with killing someone, no matter who it is.
[QUOTE=Dantz Bolrew;50231892]I think the bigger question is: why did the kid have such easy access to a pistol? I'm not familiar with the laws of the south but I thought it was a law that you need to lock that stuff up.[/QUOTE] I've had firearms training from 5 years old and easy access to them from that point forwards. when you live in a part of the world where your gun is your meal ticket it's not all that unusual to have access to firearms at a young age.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232172]There's no way you can't not justify anyone killing a burgler that actually was about to kill one of the people in the home. The fact the boy claimed the guy "cried like a baby" is a reaction that really shouldn't be. Noone at 11 should have no problems with killing someone, no matter who it is.[/QUOTE] That's because you're looking at it from an outside perspective. The kids just happy the man who's been threatening him and his family is gone. I don't know what exactly you think this kid should be feeling.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232172]There's no way you can't not justify anyone killing a burgler that actually was about to kill one of the people in the home. The fact the boy claimed the guy "cried like a baby" is a reaction that really shouldn't be. Noone at 11 should have no problems with killing someone, no matter who it is.[/QUOTE] Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe. Considering that a bunch of people see no problem in killing another human being.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232172]There's no way you can't not justify anyone killing a burgler that actually was about to kill one of the people in the home. The fact the boy claimed the guy "cried like a baby" is a reaction that really shouldn't be. Noone at 11 should have no problems with killing someone, no matter who it is.[/QUOTE] good thing he didn't kill the guy. i can't see shooting someone in the leg whom you perceive as a threat as being too traumatizing, especially at a distance. i feel confident in thinking if the kid had actually killed the guy he would be emotionally messed up over it.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232172]There's no way you can't not justify anyone killing a burgler that actually was about to kill one of the people in the home. The fact the boy claimed the guy "cried like a baby" is a reaction that really shouldn't be. Noone at 11 should have no problems with killing someone, no matter who it is.[/QUOTE] Stop acting like such a know-it-all trying to dictate what people in situations you've never been in before in your life and probably never will "should" be feeling.
[QUOTE=Lurker;50232244]Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe. Considering that a bunch of people see no problem in killing another human being.[/QUOTE] How he said it was stupid, but come on dude, think for a second. What he likely meant was, we shouldnt lose any sleep if someone broke into somebodies home and threatened their life, and ended up wounded or dead as a result. Theres an inherent risk in breaking into a house or business, physically and legally. Actions have consequences, after all. [editline]d[/editline] Now, correct me if im wrong, which i could be, im not saying im right all the time, of course, but why is it that in these threads it always seems like UK/Brit posters, and to a lesser extent other European posters seem to have an air of superiority with their opinions, and say things like "Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe.", yet i rarely ever see the opposite happening with the American posters.
[QUOTE=Lurker;50232244]Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe. Considering that a bunch of people see no problem in killing another human being.[/QUOTE] I have no issue with it if they threaten mine, my families, or my friends, or if they intend to. With that said, you break in my house you're either getting a 380 shoved in your face, or a 410 shotgun. I worked hard for my shit, and I don't give a fuck if you want it more, there are better ways to attain goods, usually involves getting a job and working like the rest of us, or asking if I would perhaps like to sell it, and see if I would like to get rid of it for a price. Robbers who break in and threaten people are some of the lowest scum. It's one thing to be homeless and try to get food, I can at least understand that, but they don't break in, brandish or try to steal weapons, and threaten to kill people.
[QUOTE=Lurker;50232244]Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe. Considering that a bunch of people see no problem in killing another human being.[/QUOTE] That's such an incredibly shitty thing to say, I'm actually astonished. I doubt anyone here wants to kill someone, but rather is willing to shoot someone who is a threat to them in their home. It's not like we go out on the streets and shoot random people, dude.
[QUOTE=Lurker;50232244]Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe. Considering that a bunch of people see no problem in killing another human being.[/QUOTE] The worth of the life of a burglar threatening murder is pretty much zero.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50232320]How he said it was stupid, but come on dude, think for a second. What he likely meant was, we shouldnt lose any sleep if someone broke into somebodies home and threatened their life, and ended up wounded or dead as a result.[/quote] I would feel devastated if I was responsible for the taking of another man's life, even if he were a burglar or murderer. If it prevented the burglar from killing my entire family, I would still feel bad. [quote]Theres an inherent risk in breaking into a house or business, physically and legally. Actions have consequences, after all.[/quote] Yes I agree. [editline]d[/editline] [quote]Now, correct me if im wrong, which i could be, im not saying im right all the time, of course, but why is it that in these threads it always seems like UK/Brit posters, and to a lesser extent other European posters seem to have an air of superiority with their opinions, and say things like "Seems like human life in America isn't as highly valued as it is in various parts in Europe.", yet i rarely ever see the opposite happening with the American posters.[/QUOTE] I think it has something to do with that the Europeans have it far safer than the Americans in their everyday life. Crime things that happen in America astound Europeans (certain parts of Europe at the least) because stuff like that rarely happen at the same scale like it does in America (with "crime things" I mean armed burglaries in occupied homes, street violence and etc.). It's like we Europeans (in certain parts) don't expect that a 11 year old will shot a burglar on the run and say such stuff like "he cried like a baby" afterwards. Because of the difference in culture and morals we condemn those actions because they are on a another level compared to ours. If shit like this happens in Europe then the Americans wouldn't be so surprised, as it is everyday life for them.
I like how despite the fact this burglar has broke into this kids house before, pointed a gun at the kid, and threatened to kill him, this thread STILL gets shat on by a wave of people with raging anti-gun boners saying the kid shouldn't have shot him in defense. At this point I'm convinced you people would say it would still be a bad idea for the kid to shoot the burglar even if the came in carrying a fucking mininigun whilst raping the kid's mom via an intricate system of pulleys or some retarded bullshit like that. Good lord it's like the days of trying to reason with anyone have died out long ago.
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