• Boy who shot intruder says suspect 'cried like a little baby'
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[QUOTE=Lurker;50232470]I would feel devastated if I was responsible for the taking of another man's life, even if he were a burglar or murderer. If it prevented the burglar from killing my entire family, I would still feel bad. Yes I agree. [editline]d[/editline] I think it has something to do with that the Europeans have it far safer than the Americans in their everyday life. Crime things that happen in America astound Europeans (certain parts of Europe at the least) because stuff like that rarely happen at the same scale like it does in America (with "crime things" I mean armed burglaries in occupied homes, street violence and etc.). It's like we Europeans (in certain parts) don't expect that a 11 year old will shot a burglar on the run and say such stuff like "he cried like a baby" afterwards. Because of the difference in culture and morals we condemn those actions because they are on a another level compared to ours. If shit like this happens in Europe then the Americans wouldn't be so surprised, as it is everyday life for them.[/QUOTE] You're very severely over-estimating the supposed danger of living in the US, You're not going to get shot, unless you're a murderous burglar, I reckon. :v: It's not dangerous to live here, and this isn't an everyday occurrence, otherwise it wouldn't be kicking up so much dust on the news.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231902]nah im not being that serious, im fully aware most of the american posters here have a boner for guns and this sort of "my home is my castle and i can kill anyone who comes in" mentality. So it'd be pointless me having a proper debate here, we've all made up our minds already. EDIT: automerge broken[/QUOTE] I don't think this guy's life is worth as much as you're suggesting. [QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50231995]Dunno mate, I've never been. If I was 11 and confronted by a burglar who threatened to kill me I'd shit myself and probably either freeze in place or run away. Maybe I was a little pussy 11-year-old.[/QUOTE] I'm a proponent of gun control and don't have the biggest interest in owning a gun. I also live around people who have had guns and only one of them was a bit dick-wavy about it. Maybe you're more interested in paying attention to the awful ones so that you can stroke your ego and feel superior to an entire country of people, suggesting that your intellect is higher than most US citizens? Oh, you're not the psycho one - it's [I]all of America[/I]. [I]And this kid is a lunatic![/I] Sound the alarms. Freak the fuck out, I guess. [QUOTE=SilverDragon619;50232105]The kid has probably been playing something like Call of Duty or his father had taught him a thing or two about guns since he knew what FMJ and other bullet types are. Someone like me who only played fantasy games at that age wouldn't have known what this or that in real life could do. If you looked at the video in the second source, the kid said that the intruder took a .38(revolver, I believe) from upstairs and pointed it at the kid. Even after shit like that the kid stayed composed and fought back. The intruder was fucking armed and ready to kill the boy, if you're still going to use the "muh murder" card, you're fucking insane.[/QUOTE] I didn't even realize that the intruder did that. I have no remorse for this guy. Pointing a gun at a kid is forfeiting your life at that point. [QUOTE=NikoChekhov;50232377]That's such an incredibly shitty thing to say, I'm actually astonished. I doubt anyone here wants to kill someone, but rather is willing to shoot someone who is a threat to them in their home. It's not like we go out on the streets and shoot random people, dude.[/QUOTE] I don't have a regard for life that makes other people's lives worse by pointing a gun at them and stealing their shit. You can protect all life that grazes your path, but [I]why[/I]? What's the point? This guy sucks. This guy has a chance of not being caught. This guy is probably going to do it again if he gets the chance. At some point you have to stop making excuses for people being terrible and start dealing with them.
[QUOTE] most of the american posters here have a boner for guns and this sort of "my home is my castle and i can kill anyone who comes in" mentality. So it'd be pointless me having a proper debate here[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]wew lad you have no idea of my political leanings or where i was raised/what class i am[/QUOTE] Just ignore him,its pointless to talk with self righteous prick This debate getting us to nowhere either
[QUOTE=Govna;50232281]Stop acting like such a know-it-all trying to dictate what people in situations you've never been in before in your life and probably never will "should" be feeling.[/QUOTE] You make a lot of assumptions. I had to attack someone to defend a friend and I certainly didn't feel relieved.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232676]You make a lot of assumptions. I had to attack someone to defend a friend and I certainly didn't feel relieved.[/QUOTE] Would it have felt better if you didn't attack the enemy attacking your friend? At some point it's not about [I]your [/I]feelings.
[QUOTE=Lurker;50232470]If shit like this happens in Europe then the Americans wouldn't be so surprised, as it is everyday life for them.[/QUOTE] Bro, what? I live in rural-suburban Pennsylvania, not Chicago. The most that happens here is the occasional fight at the High School. Its not exactly dangerous unless you're in a crime ridden shithole like Detroit.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232676]You make a lot of assumptions. I had to attack someone to defend a friend and I certainly didn't feel relieved.[/QUOTE] It's not an assumption to say that you are acting like a know-it-all by claiming that the way this kid is apparently reacting to what he did "isn't normal". [editline]30th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wauterboi;50232690]Would it have felt better if you didn't attack the enemy attacking your friend? At some point it's not about [I]your [/I]feelings.[/QUOTE] This.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50232690]Would it have felt better if you didn't attack the enemy attacking your friend? At some point it's not about [I]your [/I]feelings.[/QUOTE] What the hell? Why would it? I'm not going to feel great about harming someone, no matter who it is and most people are or should be the same
[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;50232377] I doubt anyone here wants to kill someone, but rather is willing to shoot someone who is a threat to them in their home. It's not like we go out on the streets and shoot random people, dude.[/QUOTE] But he shot the burglar as he escaped But then again, calling the cops and having the guy arrested is completely out of the question [I]right?[/I]. Don't attempt to rehabilitate him into becoming a functioning member of the society. The burglar [I]obviously[/I] wants to go into houses and steal from people. He probably loves doing it and absolutely does not do it out of desperation or anything, that would just be silly. Fuck it, just kill him right now. Take a big .50 cal bullet of american justice and put it in his face like the criminal scum he is.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232804]But he shot the burglar as he escaped But then again, calling the cops and having the guy arrested is completely out of the question [I]right?[/I]. Don't attempt to rehabilitate him into becoming a functioning member of the society. The burglar [I]obviously[/I] wants to go into houses and steal from people. He probably loves doing it and absolutely does not do it out of desperation or anything, that would just be silly. Fuck it, just kill him right now. Take a big .50 cal bullet of american justice and put it in his face like the criminal scum he is.[/QUOTE] Cool strawman, its like you actually have nothing to say so you try to play your nationalistic pissing match game. [editline]30th April 2016[/editline] Its not like we've spent the last 8 pages discussing why context is important or anything.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232804]But he shot the burglar as he escaped But then again, calling the cops and having the guy arrested is completely out of the question [I]right?[/I]. Don't attempt to rehabilitate him into becoming a functioning member of the society. The burglar [I]obviously[/I] wants to go into houses and steal from people. He probably loves doing it and absolutely does not do it out of desperation or anything, that would just be silly. Fuck it, just kill him right now. Take a big .50 cal bullet of american justice and put it in his face like the criminal scum he is.[/QUOTE] The dude broke into their house multiple fucking times, this isn't some poor soul trying to get by. The fact that he was able to do it multiple times just goes to show how useless the cops are.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232804]But he shot the burglar as he escaped But then again, calling the cops and having the guy arrested is completely out of the question [I]right?[/I]. Don't attempt to rehabilitate him into becoming a functioning member of the society. The burglar [I]obviously[/I] wants to go into houses and steal from people. He probably loves doing it and absolutely does not do it out of desperation or anything, that would just be silly. Fuck it, just kill him right now. Take a big .50 cal bullet of american justice and put it in his face like the criminal scum he is.[/QUOTE] I think it's a bit of a stretch to expect a 11 year old kid to think along those lines after the crook threatened to hurt him with another gun, and come back to his house again on top of that, never mind the fact that this same guy robbed them once before. It's all very well to say what the kid should have done were we in their position, but shit happened, and about all I can say is that robber got lucky he didnt wind up in the dead book, or that he didnt actually follow through and try to shoot the kid too.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232804]But he shot the burglar as he escaped But then again, calling the cops and having the guy arrested is completely out of the question [I]right?[/I]. Don't attempt to rehabilitate him into becoming a functioning member of the society. The burglar [I]obviously[/I] wants to go into houses and steal from people. He probably loves doing it and absolutely does not do it out of desperation or anything, that would just be silly. Fuck it, just kill him right now. Take a big .50 cal bullet of american justice and put it in his face like the criminal scum he is.[/QUOTE] there are programs to help people who are in desperation. if you absolutely have to steal there are better places to steal from than an inhabited home. you don't break into houses to steal food, you break into houses to steal jewelry, electronics, and identities.
Are people in this thread seriously justifying the shooting of a burglar when he was fleeing the scene? lmao [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
Seriously, whats with the patronizing holier than thou bullshit going on in here? Jeepers creepers.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;50232836]Are people in this thread seriously justifying the shooting of a burglar when he was fleeing the scene? lmao[/QUOTE] How to win an argument on facepunch, just shove lmao on the end and that's apparently enough.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;50232836]Are people in this thread seriously justifying the shooting of a burglar when he was fleeing the scene? lmao[/QUOTE] Are people in this threat blatantly ignoring context just so they can spout off witty replys trying to act superior to an 11 year old who was threatened with a gun in his own home? Does this make you a big man? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside? Is this what makes you feel good? "Oh boy i sure showed those internet cowboy yankees what'for! Damn lil' kids aint no nuthin 'bout no laws n's'msuch! Dumb ol' lil' kids."
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50232853]Are people in this threat blatantly ignoring context just so they can spout off witty replys trying to act superior to an 11 year old who was threatened with a gun in his own home? Does this make you a big man? Does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside? Is this what makes you feel good? "Oh boy i sure showed those internet cowboy yankees what'for! Damn lil' kids aint no nuthin 'bout no laws n's'msuch! Dumb ol' lil' kids."[/QUOTE] What context? The robber was obviously such a huge threat to the kid, shown by how he completely ignored him on his way out, literally walking out of the house. The "i'm gonna kill u" thing the robber said was obviously just to scare the kid and stop him from trying to do anything stupid, which in the end failed. If the robber had approached the kid it would've totally justified shooting him, but the fact that the kid shot him when he had reached the fence of the front lawn really isn't. Then again you can't put too much blame on the kid seeing how he probably didn't think over what was going to happen, but the people in this thread literally giving props to the kid and applauding him for making one of the most disgusting comments ever on the situation scares me. What if the kid had missed all those shots and/or the burglar shot him in return?
Question: how many people arguing here honestly read the articles in the op? I'm genuinely curious given the amount of [I] quality[/I] posts here.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232892]What context? The robber was obviously such a huge threat to the kid, shown by how he completely ignored him on his way out, literally walking out of the house. The "i'm gonna kill u" thing the robber said was obviously just to scare the kid and stop him from trying to do anything stupid, which in the end failed.[/quote] He had a fucking gun. [QUOTE=riki2cool;50232892]If the robber had approached the kid it would've totally justified shooting him, but the fact that the kid shot him when he had reached the fence of the front lawn really isn't.[/quote] [b]He had a GUN.[/b] [QUOTE=riki2cool;50232892]the people in this thread literally giving props to the kid and applauding him for making on the most disgusting comments ever on the situation scares me.[/QUOTE] He was scared and threatened, while what he did was flawed, he still tried to defend himself and his family. Also, again, [QUOTE=riki2cool;50232892]The "i'm gonna kill u" thing the robber said was obviously just to scare the kid and stop him from trying to do anything stupid, which in the end failed.[/quote] Why the [i]fuck[/i] would you trust a man who's broken into your house [i]multiple[/i] times and just threatened to kill you while he had a gun with him. Do you [i]WANT[/i] to die?
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232892]What context? The robber was obviously such a huge threat to the kid, shown by how he completely ignored him on his way out, literally walking out of the house. The "i'm gonna kill u" thing the robber said was obviously just to scare the kid and stop him from trying to do anything stupid, which in the end failed. If the robber had approached the kid it would've totally justified shooting him, but the fact that the kid shot him when he had reached the fence of the front lawn really isn't. Then again you can't put too much blame on the kid seeing how he probably didn't think over what was going to happen, but the people in this thread literally giving props to the kid and applauding him for making one of the most disgusting comments ever on the situation scares me. What if the kid had missed all those shots and/or the burglar shot him in return?[/QUOTE] He'd broken into the same house multiple times, the dude obviously had something in for the family, no shit the kid was scared and shot him.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50232906]He'd broken into the same house multiple times,[B] the dude obviously had something in for the family[/B], no shit the kid was scared and shot him.[/QUOTE] See, that's just an assumption though. I'm basing my opinions from the facts at hand. For all we know he could've just accidentally dropped his favourite pair of RayBanns the last time he robbed them and came to pick them up again. [editline]30th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AaronM202;50232904]Why the [I]fuck[/I] would you trust a man who's broken into your house [I]multiple[/I] times and just threatened to kill you while he had a gun with him. Do you [I]WANT[/I] to die?[/QUOTE] But he was leaving though?! Why take the chances and end up getting shot in return when you could just let him leave and then call the cops/your parents/your priest.
[QUOTE=riki2cool;50232927]See, that's just an assumption though. I'm basing my opinions from the facts at hand. For all we know he could've just accidentally dropped his favourite pair of RayBanns the last time he robbed them and came to pick them up again.[/QUOTE] Yeah sorry but when you're 11 and you're dealing with a man who has broken into your house multiple times and then threatens to kill you, I don't think you can expect the kid to assume he might just be the friendly local home invader. The man comes across as a potentially dangerous person and the police where clearly incapable of stopping him, so it unfortunately came down to that kid doing somehting.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50232523]I don't think this guy's life is worth as much as you're suggesting. [/QUOTE] And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50232966]And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.[/QUOTE] I thought the argument was you and others making it seem as if a terrified kid that has had his house broken into multiple times is a cold-blooded psychopathic murderer in the making?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50233017]I thought the argument was you and others making it seem as if a terrified kid that has had his house broken into multiple times is a cold-blooded psychopathic murderer in the making?[/QUOTE] Because of what he said afterwards, yeah.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50232966]And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.[/QUOTE] God would you please stop? Please?
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50233019]Because of what he said afterwards, yeah.[/QUOTE] You clearly don't understand what psychopathy is if you think that. I mean the burglar isn't even dead so I don't see why you're so upset, as far as this kids concerned he caught the burglar who's been terrorising his family and nobody died, no shit the kids chuffed.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;50233025]God would you please stop? Please?[/QUOTE] Stop replying to me then. If people are throwing arguments at me, I'm going to reply.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50232782]What the hell? Why would it? I'm not going to feel great about harming someone, no matter who it is and most people are or should be the same[/QUOTE] Human beings are supposed to have an ability to distinguish right from wrong, and that comes with feeling emotions when they do something that is right or that is wrong. And not just right from wrong in the philosophical sense, but in the sense of "this is beneficial" vs. "this is harmful". "My friend was attacked. I defended him. This was right for me to do, because he was the one who was attacked, and the guy I defended him from was the individual that started the altercation." Or is there more to this situation than what you're telling? Then again, maybe you just lack a developed self-preservation instinct and an ability to separate right from wrong/beneficial from harmful. You should feel good about defending your friend... they're your friend, after all, and I'm going to give them the benefit of a doubt here and assume that they didn't start the altercation in the first place. [editline]30 April 2016[/editline] In any case, I seriously doubt at the time you were mentally-writing a philosophical treatise on the value of human life and right vs. wrong when that incident occurred, right? That's basically what a bunch of people are trying to do in this thread, and it's absolutely ridiculous. "All life is valuable" is one of the most meaningless statements a human being can make. Especially when the chips are down, and you're in a situation where you have to make a call that has very real consequences-- possibly determining whether, in a few moments, you'll be alive or dead. So basically, when you're actually, you know, living real life and existing in the real world dealing with real world problems. That's basically what irks me more than anything throughout this entire thread: the amount of nonsense philosophy/armchair warrior idealism by people who have little to no actual experience and first-hand knowledge about these things.
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