Boy who shot intruder says suspect 'cried like a little baby'
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[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50232966]And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. I don't think all life is precious, and the only reason why I think people should be careful about recklessness with human life is it's hard to draw the line on where a person's life is valuable or not. The problem is that people extrapolate that into objectivity into something subjectivity. It is not an objective truth that all human life is precious. It's also not unanimously agreed upon that all life is subjectively precious. We're not objectively equal, nor are we subjectively equal. And frankly, the thought that we are all equal is gross.
That might raise a lot of red flags, and frankly I don't blame people for being freaked out at that thought because of all the terrible people in this world. In an attempt to calm people down as I say this, I'm not judging people based on the color of their skin nor their gender. I think the value of life is derived from the content of ones character, specifically in how disruptive they are to the sanctity of life around them. This guy disturbed that sanctity. He didn't have to break into that house. He didn't have to point a gun at that kid. He didn't have to threaten his life. He didn't have to be a selfish prick. This guy sucks. His life should not valued the same as the life of the kid. His life should not be viewed as equal to the lives of my family. To do so would be an offense to the good people in this world.
And that brings us back to another complicated issue - what is "good"? Well, not really, because I can tell you that while "good" is hard to explain we can definitely indicate what is not good. This guy is not good. It's that simple. And so everything bad that happens to him isn't felt in the same way as if everything bad were to happen to the boy. He lowered himself, and deserves lowered treatment.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50233029]You clearly don't understand what psychopathy is if you think that.
I mean the burglar isn't even dead so I don't see why you're so upset, as far as this kids concerned he caught the burglar who's been terrorising his family and nobody died, no shit the kids chuffed.[/QUOTE]
While I think the kid did the right thing and that saying he's a psycho is retarded, him saying what he said afterwards seems a little strange, in my opinion. Not to the point where he should seek therapy, though.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50232966]And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.[/QUOTE]
Yes. A life which threatens my own, and my families lives is worth less to me than their lives or my own.
[QUOTE=Cold;50227355]I wouldn't want to shoot anyone, or have shot anyone, even if its just a leg shot. Seems like a strange thing to brag about.[/QUOTE]
To you maybe.
Kid shoulda executed the bitch.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50233476]To you maybe.
Kid shoulda executed the bitch.[/QUOTE]
And its posts like these that people use to lump everyone that has a gun into the "psychopath" category, and your username is appropriate, what a bat shit insane post.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50233476]To you maybe.
Kid shoulda executed the bitch.[/QUOTE]
Nah. Ignoring the good/bad outcomes thay would happen regarding the thief, killing people, even in self defense, has a possibility of fucking someone up. While it's only a possibility, better safe than sorry.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50233214]Absolutely. I don't think all life is precious, and the only reason why I think people should be careful about recklessness with human life is it's hard to draw the line on where a person's life is valuable or not. The problem is that people extrapolate that into objectivity into something subjectivity. It is not an objective truth that all human life is precious. It's also not unanimously agreed upon that all life is subjectively precious. We're not objectively equal, nor are we subjectively equal. And frankly, the thought that we are all equal is gross.
That might raise a lot of red flags, and frankly I don't blame people for being freaked out at that thought because of all the terrible people in this world. In an attempt to calm people down as I say this, I'm not judging people based on the color of their skin nor their gender. I think the value of life is derived from the content of ones character, specifically in how disruptive they are to the sanctity of life around them. This guy disturbed that sanctity. He didn't have to break into that house. He didn't have to point a gun at that kid. He didn't have to threaten his life. He didn't have to be a selfish prick. This guy sucks. His life should not valued the same as the life of the kid. His life should not be viewed as equal to the lives of my family. To do so would be an offense to the good people in this world.
And that brings us back to another complicated issue - what is "good"? Well, not really, because I can tell you that while "good" is hard to explain we can definitely indicate what is not good. This guy is not good. It's that simple. And so everything bad that happens to him isn't felt in the same way as if everything bad were to happen to the boy. He lowered himself, and deserves lowered treatment.[/QUOTE]
So what if I'm not picky about somebody's character and don't mentally treat people or respect/disrespect them on the basis of how morally attractive they are, while being aware that I need to do what is necessary to protect my possessions/family/self?
[QUOTE=Blazedol;50233224]While I think the kid did the right thing and that saying he's a psycho is retarded, him saying what he said afterwards seems a little strange, in my opinion. Not to the point where he should seek therapy, though.[/QUOTE]
I don't necessarily believe he should seek therapy, just a counseling session.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50233476]To you maybe.
Kid shoulda executed the bitch.[/QUOTE]
What the actual fuck. This is borderline sociopathic.
Also, what do you exactly mean by "nor are we subjectively equal"? I feel like people would be free to believe in the idea that everyone's equal just as much as you're free to believe that the value of a living being would be based on their character.
the posters who think the kid did anything wrong have zero connection with the real world.
[QUOTE=yodafart9;50234223]the posters who think the kid did anything wrong have zero connection with the real world.[/QUOTE]
amazing argument 10/10
[QUOTE=Skerion;50234008]So what if I'm not picky about somebody's character and don't mentally treat people or respect/disrespect them on the basis of how morally attractive they are, while being aware that I need to do what is necessary to protect my possessions/family/self?[/QUOTE]
I'd prefer if you broke that down into multiple sentences because it kind of obfuscates the point you're trying to make. I'll try my best to respond from what I can honestly decipher. (No offense.)
It sounds like you'd be treating people quantitatively while also being selfish. If you're not judging people on their individuality, that's part of the problem. People vary in terms of morality and how willing they are to push themselves. This killer is a good example of that. He's not more important than the people he's threatening and stealing from.
[QUOTE=Skerion;50234094]Also, what do you exactly mean by "nor are we subjectively equal"? I feel like people would be free to believe in the idea that everyone's equal just as much as you're free to believe that the value of a living being would be based on their character.[/QUOTE]
I think I might have said what I wanted to say a bit wrong. What I meant to say is that we don't all agree that life is equal. It's not the conclusion that everyone is reaching. Someone that takes the life away from another for a selfish gain of possessions and money is not the same as a little kid hiding in a hamper with fear of his life. When people simplify the world so that all people are equal, I see it as "all people are worthless" because you're devaluing the significance of people's moral performance and personality. I don't buy into the idea that people should serve society, but some people [I]destroy[/I] society. Those people have a negative net worth. You can't say I'm the same as this murderer.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50234493]amazing argument 10/10[/QUOTE]
Compared against one or two-liner "he's a psychopath" arguments by people who have little to no first-hand experience and knowledge in either psychology nor self-defense, it's not that bad actually. Perfectly acceptable comment for him to make in fact.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50234493]amazing argument 10/10[/QUOTE]
"I don't want to address an argument or make a point but you have to."
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50234580]I'd prefer if you broke that down into multiple sentences because it kind of obfuscates the point you're trying to make. I'll try my best to respond from what I can honestly decipher. (No offense.)
It sounds like you'd be treating people quantitatively while also being selfish. If you're not judging people on their individuality, that's part of the problem. People vary in terms of morality and how willing they are to push themselves. This killer is a good example of that. He's not more important than the people he's threatening and stealing from.[/QUOTE]
I was actually thinking of more along the lines of not particularly feeling whatever kind of disdain (Although, admittingly, I'd imagine that the disdainful feeling would probably naturally come to my mind if I were to end up being in a similar situation, considering that I'm a human that can get emotionally swayed by that sort of shit) towards the thief while doing whatever's necessary to make sure me and my stuff are safe in that immediate moment.
I'm not really sure if that's what you meant by "treating people quantitatively while also being selfish", but if so, it's kinda weird how you'd call it selfish. For sure, I recognize that stealing and threatening people isn't a good trait to have and I would likely do something to prevent that guy from stealing from me if he were to invade my house, but it'd kinda be like a "hate the sin not the sinner" kind of thing for me, as cliche as that may sound.
I should mention that while I don't particularly support the kid's decision to shoot at the guy when he was running away, I can understand why he did so considering that the dude's tried to rob the place multiple times before and had threatened to kill the kid.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50234580]I think I might have said what I wanted to say a bit wrong. What I meant to say is that we don't all agree that life is equal. It's not the conclusion that everyone is reaching. Someone that takes the life away from another for a selfish gain of possessions and money is not the same as a little kid hiding in a hamper with fear of his life. When people simplify the world so that all people are equal, I see it as "all people are worthless" because you're devaluing the significance of people's moral performance and personality. I don't buy into the idea that people should serve society, but some people [I]destroy[/I] society. Those people have a negative net worth. You can't say I'm the same as this murderer.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that's fair enough.
[QUOTE=yodafart9;50234223]the posters who think the kid did anything wrong have zero connection with the real world.[/QUOTE]
I personally don't think he should've shot the dude as he was running away BUT in the heat of the moment and considering the circumstances of having multiple break-ins happen, in his head he was probably just scared and trying to eliminate a threat that could potentially come back and harm him. The kid's 11, scared and I don't blame him for lacking critical thinking in the middle of a break in.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50234493]amazing argument 10/10[/QUOTE]
I mean, what do you think about all this besides making snarky comments?
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50232966]And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.[/QUOTE]
Did the guy die?
Oh, he didn't? Okay
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
Still don't care what you people say, if someone who's broken into my house SEVERAL TIMES WITH A GUN says to me "I'll kill you" when I'm holding a gun at him he's getting shot
[QUOTE=EvilMattress;50235140]I mean, what do you think about all this besides making snarky comments?[/QUOTE]
I've stated my opinion. I just don't like people who defend their point by shaming the people who have a different viewpoint.
[editline]30th April 2016[/editline]
I mean personally the fact he threatened the kid I don't have much of a problem with him being shot. I just disagree with the kids reaction after the fact but do feel that the shot was justified.
[editline]30th April 2016[/editline]
(hell the fact he broke in justifies it enough for me)
How much of a beta are you to let someone take control of whether you get out dead or alive when you have the ability to decide it for yourself
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50234021]What the actual fuck. This is borderline sociopathic.[/QUOTE]
Well, he was in the right to kill him. For a great duration of time too, [I]before[/I] the robber man exited the house and started making for the fence.
And that's when he got shot, by a kid who's actions may have also been kinda reckless and dumb. The kid might have even committed a crime, which he likely won't be found guilty of, unless the robber sues perhaps?
I think they mentioned even the robber was brandishing a gun in hand (A "45"), pointed at the kid, loaded or not Idk, but still that's one lucky meth head all things considered.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50236136]Well, he was in the right to kill him. For a great duration of time too, [I]before[/I] the robber man exited the house and started making for the fence.
And that's when he got shot, by a kid who's actions may have also been kinda reckless and dumb. The kid might have even committed a crime, which he likely won't be found guilty of, unless the robber sues perhaps?
I think they mentioned even the robber was brandishing a gun in hand (A "45"), pointed at the kid, loaded or not Idk, but still that's one lucky meth head all things considered.[/QUOTE]
But he didn't die. So why the fuck would you say he should have been executed.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50236136]Well, he was in the right to kill him. For a great duration of time too, [I]before[/I] the robber man exited the house and started making for the fence.
And that's when he got shot, by a kid who's actions may have also been kinda reckless and dumb. [B]The kid might have even committed a crime, which he likely won't be found guilty of, unless the robber sues perhaps?[/B]
I think they mentioned even the robber was brandishing a gun in hand (A "45"), pointed at the kid, loaded or not Idk, but still that's one lucky meth head all things considered.[/QUOTE]
AFAIK Alabama's protection of property laws are pretty laid back so I really doubt it
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
I really wish they would tack on extra time for dumbfuckery for people that break into houses, get hurt, and then sue like what they were doing was okay
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
Here in NJ I can't use a weapon on a home invader unless it's met with equal force. E.g. if someone walks into my house and says "I'm gonna shoot you in your stupid face" while brandishing a 9mm, I can't use a 12 gauge to blow him the fuck away or I'll be put in jail for murder.
[I]FUCK[/I] this state.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50236916]AFAIK Alabama's protection of property laws are pretty laid back so I really doubt it
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
I really wish they would tack on extra time for dumbfuckery for people that break into houses, get hurt, and then sue like what they were doing was okay
[editline]1st May 2016[/editline]
Here in NJ I can't use a weapon on a home invader unless it's met with equal force. E.g. if someone walks into my house and says "I'm gonna shoot you in your stupid face" while brandishing a 9mm, I can't use a 12 gauge to blow him the fuck away or I'll be put in jail for murder.
[I]FUCK[/I] this state.[/QUOTE]
What's the problem with that? You can still aim your gun at them, just prevents you from outright murdering unarmed people.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50237043]What's the problem with that? You can still aim your gun at them, just prevents you from outright murdering unarmed people.[/QUOTE]
That's doesn't apply to the scenario he put forward at all
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50232966]And this here is the crux of the argument. Obviously we don't share the same thoughts on the value of human life.[/QUOTE]
Would you donate your kidney if your mother/father/sibling/cousin needed it to survive? Yes? Then why the fuck don't you donate your kidney to a stranger right this very instant, since all human lives have the same value anyway.
[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;50237074]That's doesn't apply to the scenario he put forward at all[/QUOTE]
In what way doesn't it apply? He can shoot someone for entering his house illegally no matter if they have a gun or not. As soon as robbery or burglary occurs in NJ deadly force is allowed if you believe the suspect could use force on you in the commission.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50227851]
Shooting a man should never be trivial.[/QUOTE]
Shooting a man who is attempting to do harm to your family in your own home is trivial.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50237092]In what way doesn't it apply? He can shoot someone for entering his house illegally no matter if they have a gun or not. As soon as robbery or burglary occurs in NJ deadly force is allowed.[/QUOTE]
He said he can't shoot them if they're wielding a 9mm and he has a twelve gauge because it isn't "proportional".
[QUOTE=Apache249;50237126]He said he can't shoot them if they're wielding a 9mm and he has a twelve gauge because it isn't "proportional".[/QUOTE]
Except it is legal under NJ law. If the robber has a gun out you're allowed to shoot them.
A man breaks into a house MULTIPLE TIMES and threatens to kill a kid, but when the kid grabs a gun he's the psychopath. I'm surprised some of you would rather read a report about a kid leaving his home in a body bag rather than defending himself.
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