• Boy who shot intruder says suspect 'cried like a little baby'
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[QUOTE=AK'z;50240282]I only said it because everyone has guns apparently. And whatever makes it "irrelevant" is kind of stupid considering this thread involves a thief apparently pointing a gun at a kid supposedly somewhere in the situation. when I work in an emergency dept, 9/10 times I do so thanks.[/QUOTE] So like a hospital, where someone that's drugged out is, oh i dont know, likely to be restrained?
I am really starting to think AK'z is trolling... I mean, guy, is this concept hard for you to understand? You just keep making excuses or blatantly ignoring others.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240653]I put myself in the kids shoes... a madman comes inside, I'm 11 years old, I'm fucking out that house fuck it. I run to the nearest shop, I run to the nearest store, I have a million places of safety I can think of. This kid however, "umm u in my house, you get out I have a knife", "if not, I'm getting my daddy's gun". This is not normal. And I'm thinking he fabricated a lot of what happened. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] it was 9am[/QUOTE] Southern states aren't exactly dense population wise, so, theres that? Also if he ran first and didnt fire, what if the guy, not knowing how crazy he is, came after the kid?
[QUOTE=geel9;50240660]this kid lives in the middle of nowhere in the south. there aren't any stores to run to nearby. to this kid, his house is the only safe place in the world that he can be by himself. he has to defend it or die.[/QUOTE] don't be ridiculous he doesn't live in the sahara desert by himself. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Lo34DX0.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240675]don't be ridiculous he doesn't live in the sahara desert by himself. You know, some houses and stores can be miles away even in the US, right? Like, even with houses and stores being closer, it still wouldn't make sense. What's wrong with defending yourself?
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240675]don't be ridiculous he doesn't live in the sahara desert by himself.[/QUOTE] [img]https://feen.us/7m9ocg.jpg[/img] does this look like a place with a store within reasonable running distance of an 11 year old child further, you're asking that an 11 year old child literally subject himself to the will of whatever other person he comes across first as opposed to defending his own fucking home [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] I mean Jesus, I don't come from the south, I've never been mugged, I've never had my house invaded, I live in the fucking suburbs, and I'm not pretending I have some world experience that relates to this. The difference is I'm willing to consider the perspectives of those who have.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240220]if someone is aggressive towards me, I'm going to do my best to defuse the situation. [/QUOTE] There is no "defusing the situation" if someone is in your house and they threaten to kill you. They hold all the cards and you hold none unless you have a weapon if they have one too.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50240669]So like a hospital, where someone that's drugged out is, oh i dont know, likely to be restrained?[/QUOTE] not always. they're only restrained here if they're an immediate violent threat to themselves or others. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SpaceGhost;50240674]Southern states aren't exactly dense population wise, so, theres that?[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talladega,_Alabama[/url] it says 654/sq mi
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240760][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talladega,_Alabama[/url] it says 654/sq mi[/QUOTE] And now lets look at Talladega county, which is a more reasonable estimate of this boy's location since he clearly wasn't in the city limits. 112/sq mi
[QUOTE=Morgen;50227427] The intruder was leaving before he started firing. What sane person would be willing to end a life over some stuff?[/QUOTE] Tons.
I still think the story the kid tells is fishy. He says he had 2 altercations with the man, both where the boy is holding a knife. Then apparently he's suddenly threatened with a gun by the burglar as he is finished, but the boy manages to swap the knife for a gun while the thief just stands there? imo, what is most likely to have happened is the door was wide open, man runs in and takes a bag and runs out, then the boy gets his dads gun, goes outside and just unloads on the guy whose 50metres away from the house to scare him off. this is why the boy in the video is so smug, if he really had a gun pointed to his head he would much more likely be nervous about explaining what happened...
Now, Ak'z, remember what i mentioned earlier, with the old ladies who could've been killed? Charlton County has a density of around 13 people per square mile. Many places, your nearest neighbor could be a quarter mile or much further away. Should they have ran? Where that kid lives, may be more dense, but that's because it includes much more denser population areas in it. His nearest neighbor could be a far run for a scared 11 year old.
[QUOTE=Eonart;50240883][B]he managed to stop someone that's tormenting his home OF COURSE HE'S SMUG[/B][/QUOTE] dude, a grown adult who had a gun pointed to their head will not be describing the situation like that. his mum had to "remind him" the burglar apparently pointed a gun at him. he's smug because he got to shoot at someone who had already run away. regardless of all this actual life and death scenario talk, this kids story is full of shit.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;50240878]Now, Ak'z, remember what i mentioned earlier, with the old ladies who could've been killed? Charlton County has a density of around 13 people per square mile. Many places, your nearest neighbor could be a quarter mile or much further away. Should they have ran? Where that kid lives, may be more dense, but that's because it includes much more denser population areas in it. His nearest neighbor could be a far run for a scared 11 year old.[/QUOTE] nah they were ok for using deadly force, they were actually in danger.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240905]nah they were ok for using deadly force, they were actually in danger.[/QUOTE] So the kid who was threatened and scared wasn't ok?
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;50240921]So the kid who was threatened and scared wasn't ok?[/QUOTE] i already said the story was bollocks. listen to the whole interview on the second source, it's the little video halfway down. none of what he describes to have happened plays as a proper scenario.
So you going by a hunch throws out a very credible story, this is of course after every other argument you made failed.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;50240942]So you going by a hunch throws out a very credible story, this is of course after every other argument you made failed.[/QUOTE] well the boy himself "forgot" he was threatened with a gun so...
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240951]well the boy himself "forgot" he was threatened with a gun so...[/QUOTE] You ever been in a stressful situation? You forget shit.
dude, feel free to listen to that entire 5min interview. run out the scenario like he says and try and make sense of it. according to the boys scenario at one point inside the house they're both holding guns. then suddenly the thief manages to get 50yards from the house, the boy starts shooting him.
So now your argument is not "the kid was wrong in this specific sotuation" but rather "he is lying and he just shot the man for the hell of it". Give those goalposts a break.
i was more interested in people's reaction to a life and death situation, but after 10 pages it turns out the scenario made no sense anyway.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50241027]i was more interested in people's reaction to a life and death situation, but after 10 pages it turns out the scenario made no sense anyway.[/QUOTE] Correction: it turns out it made no sense when you can't defend your stance on the first situation anymore.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50241027]i was more interested in people's reaction to a life and death situation, but after 10 pages it turns out the scenario made no sense anyway.[/QUOTE] after 12 pages you're literally just arguing in circles
And what was the argument again? That it's a miracle neither of them died? Or that the kid should have ran? Yeah, he could have ran. He had a gun, and probably a phone, so simply remaining hidden could have also been an option. However, he wasn't in the position to run or hide, as he was confronted by the invader. Or the kid chose to confront the invader himself, which is also a way to act.. Then there's the whole thing where the kid and the meth head were exchanging words inside the house, both holding/having guns, and how any shooting didn't occur at this point is quite beyond me. The kid was in pretty good control of the situation, so props to him, except shooting 12 times out in the open as someone is escaping is generally not good practice, even if it happened in the middle of nowhere. It may have been good that he stopped the meth head though, as he would have continued invading people's houses.
Regardless if it was justified or not can we all agree this dude probably won't be coming back to that house after he realized he fucked up. The dude's lucky it didn't hit his femoral artery. He could've bled out in 5 minutes [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;50241002]dude, feel free to listen to that entire 5min interview. run out the scenario like he says and try and make sense of it. according to the boys scenario at one point inside the house they're both holding guns. then suddenly the thief manages to get 50yards from the house, the boy starts shooting him.[/QUOTE] What are you even insinuating? That the kid was bloodthirsty and wanted to feel threatened? [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AK'z;50240951]well the boy himself "forgot" he was threatened with a gun so...[/QUOTE] Adrenaline tends to make things feel like they happened really fast. Ever been in a really bad accident, or in a fight, or in any actual danger ever ?
Adrenaline and the other hormones released in fight/flight actually slow down the perception of time, or rather, make you act faster. They just feel slower which gives you more "time to respond" :science101: I still don't like the kids reaction after the fact but it sounds to me like someones backpedaling after their argument was shut down
[QUOTE=EvilMattress;50241166]after 12 pages you're literally just arguing in circles[/QUOTE] well originally i was under the impression he was in immediate danger. turns out this is just a case of shooting someone halfway down the road to scare them away.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50240927]i already said the story was bollocks. listen to the whole interview on the second source, it's the little video halfway down. none of what he describes to have happened plays as a proper scenario.[/QUOTE] So you've moved from "Using deadly force is bad and if you use it you will die" to "Using deadly force is okay but not in this case be cause this kid is lying because of reasons"
use deadly force if you have it as the only possible resort, not because "you must defend your possessions at all cost" and the kids story makes no sense.. [editline]2nd May 2016[/editline] also in response to that "he's in the middle of nowhere, thus nowhere to go" they say his neighbours called the police..
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