Boy who shot intruder says suspect 'cried like a little baby'
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[QUOTE=Perrine;50228455]robbers don't knock lol
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yes they do sometimes. "lol"
[QUOTE=Perrine;50228325]are you saying there was 0 danger to his life after the robber said "I'm going to kill you"?
man we're going in circles here
and we're talking about two scenarios at once[/QUOTE]
At the time the burglar said "I'm going to kill you"? Maybe there was a threat there.
At the time the burglar was shot, which was as they were fleeing? No, there's not really a threat there.
You don't shoot fleeing criminals, that is murder. You shoot criminals who are active threats to yourself. Someone running away, even if it's to get a weapon, isn't actively trying to kill you at that point in time. If you see them pick up a weapon? Pretty obvious threat there, but them just running away with some shit they picked up? Not a threat.
People say "I'm going to kill you" all the fucking time, most burglars aren't actually going to act on that unless you escalate the violence first because it's not worth getting an assault or murder charge over a fucking picnic basket.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50228466]yes they do sometimes. "lol"[/QUOTE]
[quote]if they do and someone answers, they go away[/quote]
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50228469]
People say "I'm going to kill you" all the fucking time, most burglars aren't actually going to act on that unless you escalate the violence first because it's not worth getting an assault or murder charge over a fucking picnic basket.[/QUOTE]
I just want to argue with this.
You have no idea what their intentions are, and assuming the best of criminals is a dangerous and naive decision.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228483]I just want to argue with this.
You have no idea what their intentions are, and assuming the best of criminals is a dangerous and naive decision.[/QUOTE]
Assuming the worst and then acting on it is pretty dangerous too. Someone got shot.
[QUOTE=Hellduck;50228488]Assuming the worst and then acting on it is pretty dangerous too. Someone got shot.[/QUOTE]
Okay so I shouldn't value my life very highly is what you're saying
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228483]I just want to argue with this.
You have no idea what their intentions are, and assuming the best of criminals is a dangerous and naive decision.[/QUOTE]
You should be prepared for the worst, but you do not need to fire pre-emptively for that.
You're saying "throw away the context of them being a criminal, don't judge their motives"
I mean that's so fucking naive.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228495]Okay so I shouldn't value my life very highly is what you're saying[/QUOTE]
No that isn't what I'm saying. I'm saying you shouldn't shoot people based on a notional threat.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228458]I live in a one bedroom apartment. If someone broke into my house, I have no where to run. I live too high to jump to the ground, I have one door in and out of my apartment. If you break into my house, I either hide, fight, or face death.
I've had people break into my home before. It's terrifying because it's your safe place, literally your home that's been violated. Your home is no longer safe for you. For a person in my situation, what should I do should I find myself being robbed? Hide and leave my life in their hands? Fight a person who may or may not be drugged up who may or may not have a weapon? Or do I just let them have their way with me, my stuff, my fiance?
I cannot for the life of me understand this.[/QUOTE]
you know which one will most likely result in death.
if you think you're this unsafe, you need to move.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228483]I just want to argue with this.
You have no idea what their intentions are, and assuming the best of criminals is a dangerous and naive decision.[/QUOTE]
As is assuming every person who breaks in has the intention to murder your cat, skin the kids and use your wifes' entrails as a skipping rope.
There is a possibility that someone breaking in has worse intentions than "I really just need some cash", but it's likely a statistically insignificant possibility for most of the population. Preparing yourself for someone breaking in isn't an insane action, but to then just go straight for the kill as we've seen suggested by people on this forum several times now is needlessly excessive. If you've got yourself in a position where you can't react to them going for a weapon in time, you were probably fucked in the first place. After all, life isn't an action movie where you get to do sick dives and bullet time your burglar to death when you see their finger twitch slightly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228501]You're saying "throw away the context of them being a criminal, don't judge their motives"
I mean that's so fucking naive.[/QUOTE]
If you're shooting them because you think maybe they'll come back at a later date and hurt you you've already just eliminated them in your mind as an immediate threat.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50228529]you know which one will most likely result in death.
if you think you're this unsafe, you need to move.[/QUOTE]
Yeah? I do, do I? Where to? If you're even remotely familiar with my area, you'd know that's literally impossible for a young person to afford to do. Literally impossible. I am not a millionare, and renting, let alone owning a home in a decent region is going to cost me millions. No, I am not exaggerating. Not even by a cent.
Unfortunately, life isn't that simple and just running away from potential problems isn't an option.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228565]Yeah? I do, do I? Where to? If you're even remotely familiar with my area, you'd know that's literally impossible for a young person to afford to do. Literally impossible. I am not a millionare, and renting, let alone owning a home in a decent region is going to cost me millions. No, I am not exaggerating. Not even by a cent.
Unfortunately, life isn't that simple and just [B]running away from potential problems isn't an option.[/B][/QUOTE]
Neither is shooting those problems when they're running away.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228565]Yeah? I do, do I? Where to? If you're even remotely familiar with my area, you'd know that's literally impossible for a young person to afford to do. Literally impossible. I am not a millionare, and renting, let alone owning a home in a decent region is going to cost me millions. No, I am not exaggerating. Not even by a cent.
Unfortunately, life isn't that simple and just running away from potential problems isn't an option.[/QUOTE]
well this is a deeper issue than I feel I'm able to discuss, I'm sorry m8 I hear you about the hard times.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50228530]As is assuming every person who breaks in has the intention to murder your cat, skin the kids and use your wifes' entrails as a skipping rope.
There is a possibility that someone breaking in has worse intentions than "I really just need some cash", but it's likely a statistically insignificant possibility for most of the population. Preparing yourself for someone breaking in isn't an insane action, but to then just go straight for the kill as we've seen suggested by people on this forum several times now is needlessly excessive. If you've got yourself in a position where you can't react to them going for a weapon in time, you were probably fucked in the first place. After all, life isn't an action movie where you get to do sick dives and bullet time your burglar to death when you see their finger twitch slightly.[/QUOTE]
Where did I suggest that? Where did I say "GO STRAIGHT FOR THE KILL?" what is this an argument of strawman from all 3 of you?
This isn't about going straight for the kill. This is about having the ability, the choice, and the chance to defend yourself against someone you have no prior knowledge of besides that they are willing to break the law to get what they want. To trust them any further than that is naive. To say that my response is that you should "GO STRAIGHT FOR THE KILL" is nothing but disingenuous horseshit.
I am not arguing the exact same points you are expecting from other posters. I am arguing MY arguments, to wrap other peoples arguments into mine for ease of response is not helping your actual arguments here.
[QUOTE=AK'z;50228358]the danger was there well before he said that apparently.
we're not going in circles, you are the one who is more likely to die in that scenario and it's not ridiculous to assume that.
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that's good, enjoy your gunfight.[/QUOTE]
Probably not going to be much of a gunfight considering me and my family will all have the drop on him, but if you want to think it will be some hollywoodesque shootout, go ahead :v:
Still don't see how defending my home makes me more likely to die than actually sitting and doing nothing. But I'm sure if you post more movie clips as arguments, I will.
Anyone breaking in to my house pretty much deserves to be shot if they're not willing to wait for the police to come take them away.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50228569]Neither is shooting those problems when they're running away.[/QUOTE]
Brilliant
And I said this where?
I said any of the things you're fucking implying I said where?
This is such a worthless reply as it does nothing but stuff words in my mouth and imply a position I NEVER stood for.
But good job, nice post great zinger you're adding so much to the conversation
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228583]Brilliant
And I said this where?
I said any of the things you're fucking implying I said where?[/QUOTE]
Because the entire thread is about a kid shooting someone fleeing the scene. If you want to argue a different more hypothetical situation you usually need to let everyone else in on what that is before hand.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50228592]Because the entire thread is about a kid shooting someone fleeing the scene.[/QUOTE]
Oh so I'm arguing in this thread, so my point MUST be that you should shoot people in their back as they run away it literally couldn't be about anything else
is asking you to read my posts too much for you or what...?
Go ahead and say something smart about context in an effort to make yourself feel better for deciding to not read my posts and still attack me for something I NEVER said or implied
[QUOTE=AK'z;50228529]
if you think you're this unsafe, you need to move.[/QUOTE]
Because everyone has a choice? hahahaha
You people in this thread pretending like you're going to let a robber waltz around your house while you hide(?) are the ones with issues tbh.
No matter where you live you are always susceptible to being robbed. There is no "safe space" where police will show up in 10 seconds.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228595]Oh so I'm arguing in this thread, so my point MUST be that you should shoot people in their back as they run away it literally couldn't be about anything else
is asking you to read my posts too much for you or what...?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228050]I can't get behind that mindset.
I have no idea what anyone is going to do if they break in my house, and I absolutely refuse to let them dictate the terms of my life for even one second.
Why would you trust someone who broke into the house? I live in a decent enough area, but the people who break in around here are usually drugged up or out of their minds on something or other so I really, really, don't understand why you'd let THEM control your life[/QUOTE]
Because you replied to someone saying they'd have no way to know if the robber would actually come back and kill them, so might as well kill them then.
i feel absolutely safe where i live and have no expectations of my home being broken into. but i know it is possible, however minute, that someone very dangerous could break in. i am not keen on the idea of giving someone the benefit of the doubt if they have broken into my home.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228574]To say that my response is that you should "GO STRAIGHT FOR THE KILL" is nothing but disingenuous horseshit[/QUOTE]
Wasn't even trying to claim that was your argument. Just that it's a argument we see here a lot that is completely absurd. The escalation of violence isn't always the way forward (as you have said). I am allowed to discuss other arguments seen by our more concerning posters in my posts without it breaking some made up "debate etiquette" you're expecting me to follow.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50228606]Because you replied to someone saying they'd have no way to know if the robber would actually come back and kill them, so might as well kill them then.[/QUOTE]
Except that has nothing to do with shooting someone in their back and I never said you might as well just kill anyone who breaks in so why the fuck are you so determined to not read my posts and then put words in my mouth
what are you getting out of this non argument that you're doing here?
Are you trying to argue with a strawman that doesn't exist here or something because that's what it seems you're trying to do
[QUOTE=X12321;50228599]Because everyone has a choice? hahahaha
You people in this thread pretending like you're going to let a robber waltz around your house while you hide(?) are the ones with issues tbh.[/QUOTE]
Has anyone even suggested that really? Use your guns to defend yourself and your property. Don't use your guns to shoot someone fleeing from your property.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50228460]I keep a loaded 1911 under my pillow and an AR-15 behind my desk
Typically, yes.[/QUOTE]
You aim a gun at everyone who knocks on your door?
[QUOTE=evilweazel;50228576] But I'm sure if you post more movie clips as arguments, I will.
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[QUOTE=Morgen;50228615]Has anyone even suggested that really? Use your guns to defend yourself and your property. Don't use your guns to shoot someone fleeing from your property.[/QUOTE]
So turning your back just gives you instant godmode? Wow I'll keep that in mind next time I'm robbing someones house. I just get to keep getting away with it because my back is turned. Great idea dude!
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50228612]Except that has nothing to do with shooting someone in their back and I never said you might as well just kill anyone who breaks in so why the fuck are you so determined to not read my posts and then put words in my mouth
what are you getting out of this non argument that you're doing here?
Are you trying to argue with a strawman that doesn't exist here or something because that's what it seems you're trying to do[/QUOTE]
Did you read the post chain you initially replied to. AK was saying there's no reason to shoot someone just because you think they might come back again, and you disagreed with that.
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