Fracking legal in North Carolina because idiot pressed wrong button - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Terminutter;36620589]The sad thing is that I used to think that "if voting changed anything, it'd be illegal" was bullshit.[/QUOTE] It is.

[QUOTE=Noble;36619992]Natural gas can and often does get into well water on it's own via natural processes. If you're referring to what was shown in Gasland, check out this [url="http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf"]report by the Colorado Dept. of Natural Resources[/url]. The report is very thorough, concise, and also easy to understand. It basically dismantles many of the completely false claims made in the movie, showing that what is often blamed on oil and gas companies is actually the result of something else, and the few times where those companies have been linked to contamination, they were sued and fined heavily. You need solid evidence (like traces of BTEX compounds that are products of oil and gas activity) to even start proving that there is any direct link between fracking and anyone's sink water catching on fire. This is a heavily regulated industry and the penalties for making mistakes are huge. Any company with a grain of sense is going to want to [b]thoroughly[/b] ensure they are doing it right so they don't get hit by expensive fines and lawsuits. There is no need for the fear-mongering[/QUOTE] Youtube isn't exactly a reliable source, so yeah fracking does not necessarily equal exploding water. But it's Sensationalist Headlines, so... However they are pumping massive amounts of undisclosed chemicals into the ground where it can interact with and contaminate groundwater, and it's all very secretive and regulated by agencies that are largely made up of former oil and gas company employees. If it was really harmless they would just tell us what the hydraulic fluids are made of. As for your last line, BP was going on about being heavily regulated and compliant and safe right up to the moment their rig exploded, sank, and polluted the entire Gulf Coast.

[QUOTE=Griml3xx;36619433]Gaius Fracking Baltar[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.shyzer.com/images/baltar-beard.png[/img] Thought the same thing.

[QUOTE=Noble;36619992]Natural gas can and often does get into well water on it's own via natural processes. If you're referring to what was shown in Gasland, check out this [URL="http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf"]report by the Colorado Dept. of Natural Resources[/URL]. The report is very thorough, concise, and also easy to understand. It basically dismantles many of the completely false claims made in the movie, showing that what is often blamed on oil and gas companies is actually the result of something else, and the few times where those companies have been linked to contamination, they were sued and fined heavily. You need solid evidence (like traces of BTEX compounds that are products of oil and gas activity) to even start proving that there is any direct link between fracking and anyone's sink water catching on fire. This is a heavily regulated industry and the penalties for making mistakes are huge. Any company with a grain of sense is going to want to [B]thoroughly[/B] ensure they are doing it right so they don't get hit by expensive fines and lawsuits. There is no need for the fear-mongering[/QUOTE] I guess the invisible hand of the free market is a flammable patch of gas working it's way into the water table huh noble hehehe

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;36622311]Youtube isn't exactly a reliable source, so yeah fracking does not necessarily equal exploding water. But it's Sensationalist Headlines, so... However they are pumping massive amounts of undisclosed chemicals into the ground where it can interact with and contaminate groundwater, and it's all very secretive and regulated by agencies that are largely made up of former oil and gas company employees. If it was really harmless they would just tell us what the hydraulic fluids are made of. As for your last line, BP was going on about being heavily regulated and compliant and safe right up to the moment their rig exploded, sank, and polluted the entire Gulf Coast.[/QUOTE] Not unless something goes very very oddly. Fracking occurs below the water table. Far, FAR, below the water table actually. [img]http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/629/fracking77370542612.jpg[/img] At that depth they could be injecting pure weapons grade uranium into the earth and it would do precisely nothing to your water.

[QUOTE=GunFox;36623947] At that depth they could be injecting pure weapons grade uranium into the earth and it would do precisely nothing to your water.[/QUOTE] Don't give anybody any ideas.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36624429]Don't give anybody any ideas.[/QUOTE] Too late. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository[/url]

[QUOTE=GunFox;36624454]Too late. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository[/url][/QUOTE] On the plus side we will all turn into super heroes. Should help with that whole "water catching on fire spontaneously" thing.

last time I saw an illustrated picture to that size it was were secret james bond villain terrorist bases in Afghanistan. And we all know how real secret terrorist bases inside caves are. besides we only have 20 years of natural gas untapped not 100, it's not worth tapping now.

they've been fracking in my city for years now. you just get some mobile oil derricks placed in random spots around the city its literally no big deal at all

[QUOTE=Griml3xx;36619433]Gaius Fracking Baltar[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRenbMEqFGE[/media]

[QUOTE=meppers;36624579]they've been fracking in my city for years now. you just get some mobile oil derricks placed in random spots around the city its literally no big deal at all[/QUOTE] Yeah, they frack on the ranch I hunt on, all the water we drink/use at the ranch is well water and as far as I know it doesn't explode when we douse fires with it. I also love the fracking, they made some really nice roads so my back doesn't feel like its being broken when we're going down into canyons.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;36623922]I guess the invisible hand of the free market is a flammable patch of gas working it's way into the water table huh noble hehehe[/QUOTE] does this have to happen every time someone makes the slightest criticism of regulation

[quote]does this have to happen every time someone makes the slightest criticism of regulation[/quote] Noble adamantly supports the complete abolition of government in favor of privatization.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36625276]does this have to happen every time someone makes the slightest criticism of regulation[/QUOTE] It was a joke.

[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;36625737]Noble adamantly supports the complete abolition of government in favor of privatization.[/QUOTE] i doubt he would go that far

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36625872]i doubt he would go that far[/QUOTE] You've clearly not seen him in Mass Debate. His views are quite extreme. But seriously, calling a vote an accident? I'm pretty sure it's easy enough to know which thing to press to vote, even the most absent minded 5 year old can do that.

[QUOTE=/dev/sda1;36621852][img]http://speedcap.net/img/f1e59d6209d1cd099fcf8130565b9596/d85d6e24.png[/img] shit i pushed go advanced i just made my text [b]bold and [i]ugly[/i][/b][/QUOTE] I'm just going to press cancel [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] [I]Oh no![/I]

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36625872]i doubt he would go that far[/QUOTE] Actually he is right on that. My main problem with government is with the issue of taxation (which I believe to be theft - taking money via threats of imprisonment), but that's outside the scope of this discussion. As for the issue with government regulations, I believe that regulations often create inefficiency in the market, they also protect big businesses from new competitors entering the market. The big guys can easily afford to pay for compliance with regulations, the little guy has a harder time while he's just trying to get on his feet. Competition is good, and regulation strangles competition. How many new businesses does anyone see coming into the oil and gas industry these days? Yes there is loads of demand for it, but because there's so much complex, expensive regulation and politics to deal with, how often are you going to see new businesses willing to enter this market?

[QUOTE=Noble;36626492]Actually he is right on that. My main problem with government is with the issue of taxation (which I believe to be theft - taking money via threats of imprisonment), but that's outside the scope of this discussion. As for the issue with government regulations, I believe that regulations often create inefficiency in the market, they also protect big businesses from new competitors entering the market. The big guys can easily afford to pay for compliance with regulations, the little guy has a harder time while he's just trying to get on his feet. Competition is good, and regulation strangles competition. How many new businesses does anyone see coming into the oil and gas industry these days? Yes there is loads of demand for it, but because there's so much complex, expensive regulation and politics to deal with, how often are you going to see new businesses willing to enter this market?[/QUOTE] At the same time regulation can help keep the small guy on his feet and away from the clutches of big companies.

lol, electing politicians who cant even figure out whether they want to press yes or no.

First the State Senator telling the ocean, that raising it's sea levels is illegal.. now this? I swear I live in a state full of morons.

Ok, basically the parliament/congress votes on many issues at the same time, and everyone has a few seconds to vote on each issue. It's not uncommon that someone accidentally misvotes but a lot of times it doesn't lead to anything. It was unfortunate that it affected the outcome of this voting but it doesn't warrant calling her an idiot since it's a human mistake that happens to everyone.