• Gunmen on bicycles kill Chicago child as she skips outside home..
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[QUOTE=JDK721;24015564]you're no better than them[/QUOTE] Yep, some kid on a forum is no better than a child killer. Think before you speak next time, because you come off as a real idiot when you act like this.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24018037]the only advanced nation that allows the death penalty still is the US so no your statement isn't that accurate the US is just behind in terms of human rights[/QUOTE] I like how JDK doesn't realize we have overflowing prisons and can't pay to make more :downs:
[QUOTE=Swilly;24018931]I like how JDK doesn't realize we have overflowing prisons and can't pay to make more :downs:[/QUOTE] so the solution is to just execute people? no, that is terrible logic. that solution is to stop fucking locking people up for petty shit like marijuana and other victimless crimes (writing bad checks, etc.). the US has 2.2 million inmates, more than any other nation in the world. even more than china, and china has 4x the population of the US. [QUOTE=TropicalV2;24018253]stand back guys, we have an expert forensics scientist here[/QUOTE] he's right that's what they do in every shooting [QUOTE=Muffen;24018819]Yep, some kid on a forum is no better than a child killer. Think before you speak next time, because you come off as a real idiot when you act like this.[/QUOTE] if you support murdering a murderer then you're no better than them [QUOTE=Levithan;24018661]Murdering murders is fine if it stops the murdering murderers from murdering non-murderers.[/QUOTE] if they are an imminent threat then yes deadly force is justified I'm talking about the criminal sentence though
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019007]so the solution is to just execute people? no, that is terrible logic. that solution is to stop fucking locking people up for petty shit like marijuana and other victimless crimes (writing bad checks, etc.). the US has 2.2 million inmates, more than any other nation in the world. even more than china, and china has 4x the population of the US. [/QUOTE] :v:Oh you're so smart.... And you don't live here :colbert: Its up to the victim if they want to press charges. That's just how our society works.
[QUOTE=Swilly;24019116]:v:Oh you're so smart.... And you don't live here :colbert:[/QUOTE] I live in the US
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019128]I live in the US[/QUOTE] Wouldn't be able to tell :v: So then you would know its up to the victim to place charges of petty theft...and stuff like that. And most of the time they don't...I don't know where you live in the states but most of the people taken to jail in my area is(are?) because they raped someone or killed someone. Not because of petty theft.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019007] if you support murdering a murderer then you're no better than them [/QUOTE] wow. why do you always make everything so black and white
[QUOTE=Swilly;24019159]So then you would know its up to the victim to place charges of petty theft...and stuff like that. And most of the time they don't...I don't know where you live in the states but most of the people taken to jail in my area is(are?) because they raped someone or killed someone. Not because of petty theft.[/QUOTE] they can press charges if they want, but the criminal sentences for something like theft shouldn't be ridiculous [QUOTE=Swilly;24019159]I don't know where you live in the states but most of the people taken to jail in my area is(are?) because they raped someone or killed someone. Not because of petty theft.[/QUOTE] violent crimes are a different story I'm talking about petty crimes. over 500,000 americans are incarcerated right now for drug charges. [editline]05:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Melnek;24019160]wow. why do you always make everything so black and white[/QUOTE] it's hypocritical to think like that the death penalty is nothing but revenge, and the justice system should NEVER be about revenge
If these gang bangers get death, that's the easy way out. No, they need to be tortured before they die. Never ever kids.
JDK, there is a difference between doing something and supporting it. Also would it be fair for me to assume that you aren't yet a taxpayer?
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019244]they can press charges if they want, but the criminal sentences for something like theft shouldn't be ridiculous violent crimes are a different story I'm talking about petty crimes. over 500,000 americans are incarcerated right now for drug charges. [/QUOTE] Theft is usually a three strikes sorta thing....and usually only get charges brought on you if you held someone at gunpoint. And unfortunately, thats the law. Drugs are bad, even the ones that are meant to be good are technically bad...
[QUOTE=Muffen;24019379]Also would it be fair for me to assume that you aren't yet a taxpayer?[/QUOTE] no and how is this relevant [editline]05:44PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;24019414]And unfortunately, thats the law. Drugs are bad, even the ones that are meant to be good are technically bad...[/QUOTE] marijuana is bad? what?
[QUOTE=Muffen;24019379]JDK, there is a difference between doing something and supporting it. Also would it be fair for me to assume that you aren't yet a taxpayer?[/QUOTE] He's stated he lives in the states, so I guess he is. [editline]05:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;24019419] marijuana is bad? what?[/QUOTE] :doh: Anything you smoke...damages the brain. Unlike alcohol which kills brain cells, smoking(anything) just damages them. They don't get replaced and the damage accumulates. I'm not going after marijuana specifically...I'm saying ALL drugs. And yes, marijuana is still bad for you, not matter how much stuff you throw at me. I want cigarettes banned too, I watched my opa die horribly because of smoking. But I also know that we can't force people to make the right decisions for their own health, and they will do it anyway. So I say fuck it, I'll say they're bad, but no one will listen. :colbert:
It's relevant in the sense that it isn't fair that we should have to pay for an inmates food, housing, ect.
I would much rather these killers have their balls shot off, 'cause they sure ain't using them. Then let them rot for the rest of their lives, if the other inmates don't kill them first.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019244]it's hypocritical to think like that the death penalty is nothing but revenge, and the justice system should NEVER be about revenge[/QUOTE] The way I see it is if you committed a crime horrible enough then yes you should be executed, not only for revenge but to also bring an example to other people. if you do horrible shit expect horrible shit in return, that IS revenge but scare tactics are sometimes very useful against the general public. I really really doubt that most people who are insane/stupid/brave enough to commit a terrible murder mind about spending the rest of their lives in prison, and that's even saying that they actually serve their entire lifetime. Good behavior sometimes shortens that length by a half. Execution should always be present in the legal system, it just needs to be heavily tuned down.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24017094]lol I'm a psychopath now for opposing the death penalty? how dare I defend human rights[/QUOTE] No, I'm assuming you're intelligent enough for some serious introspection, but that might be stretching it. Either way, if you did you would soon find out how massively hypocritical your entire world view is. Your nitpicking of my post only shows that you can't answer the core of the argument, that if you were equipped with the same mental and emotional faculties as the rest of us, you would feel disturbed by your contradictory statements and actions. Everyone knows you don't give a shit about the death penalty, how else would you have missed the fact that it's the favorite pasttime of your muslim butt-buddies. Thus the only logical conclusion is that you are defending the murderer, or indeed all murderers while claiming to be some kind of angel standing up for the weak and the oppressed. You disgust me.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24019519]The way I see it is if you committed a crime horrible enough then yes you should be executed, not only for revenge but to also bring an example to other people.[/QUOTE] the justice system should never be about revenge and the death penalty in the US is NOT a deterrent [QUOTE=Melnek;24019519]if you do horrible shit expect horrible shit in return, that IS revenge but scare tactics are sometimes very useful against the general public.[/QUOTE] death penalty doesn't scare killers [QUOTE=Melnek;24019519]I really really doubt that most people who are insane/stupid/brave enough to commit a terrible murder mind about spending the rest of their lives in prison, and that's even saying that they actually serve their entire lifetime. Good behavior sometimes shortens that length by a half.[/QUOTE] they can be sentenced to life without the possibility of parole [QUOTE=Melnek;24019519]Execution should always be present in the legal system, it just needs to be heavily tuned down.[/QUOTE] no it shouldn't it accomplishes absolutely nothing. the people should be sentenced to life without parole instead. it saves money, the people still have the right to live, they still can appeal and be found innocent (innocent people have been wrongly convicted), etc.
[QUOTE=Melnek;24019519]The way I see it is if you committed a crime horrible enough then yes you should be executed, not only for revenge but to also bring an example to other people. if you do horrible shit expect horrible shit in return, that IS revenge but scare tactics are sometimes very useful against the general public. I really really doubt that most people who are insane/stupid/brave enough to commit a terrible murder mind about spending the rest of their lives in prison, and that's even saying that they actually serve their entire lifetime. Good behavior sometimes shortens that length by a half. Execution should always be present in the legal system, it just needs to be heavily tuned down.[/QUOTE] Don't forget to mention that many criminals, especially gang members often go on to lead satisfactory lives in prison. They get shelter, 3 meals a day, and still manage to communicate with the outside world while still participating in gang dealings inside the prison.
[QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019593]No, I'm assuming you're intelligent enough for some serious introspection, but that might be stretching it. Either way, if you did you would soon find out how massively hypocritical your entire world view is. Your nitpicking of my post only shows that you can't answer the core of the argument, that if you were equipped with the same mental and emotional faculties as the rest of us, you would feel disturbed by your contradictory statements and actions.[/QUOTE] none of my statements are contradictory [QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019593]Everyone knows you don't give a shit about the death penalty, how else would you have missed the fact that it's the favorite pasttime of your muslim butt-buddies. Thus the only logical conclusion is that you are defending the murderer, or indeed all murderers while claiming to be some kind of angel standing up for the weak and the oppressed. You disgust me.[/QUOTE] I oppose the death penalty because it accomplishes nothing and is barbaric and muslim buttbuddies? wow good one. you're a fucking asshole. [QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019593]Thus the only logical conclusion is that you are defending the murderer, or indeed all murderers while claiming to be some kind of angel standing up for the weak and the oppressed. You disgust me.[/QUOTE] I'm defending human rights and saying that two wrongs don't make a right you stupid fuck I'm NOT condoning what they did; I'm not supporting murder [editline]05:55PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Muffen;24019710]Don't forget to mention that many criminals, especially gang members often go on to lead satisfactory lives in prison. They get shelter, 3 meals a day, and still manage to communicate with the outside world while still participating in gang dealings inside the prison.[/QUOTE] prison is hardly "satisfactory."
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019646]they can be sentenced to life without the possibility of parole[/QUOTE] Do you know what lifers do? They rape, murder and do drugs within the confines of the penetentiary system. What do they care about a few more years if they happen to commit a crime? [QUOTE=JDK721;24019719]prison is hardly "satisfactory."[/QUOTE] Maybe not for a pampered british bourgeoisie kid like you.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;24015602]this is the reason why having guns should be illegal for citizens. the right to have a gun was made because of the war against the english/civil war this right is useless these days. guns should be banned in the us![/QUOTE] Guns should be banned in the Netherlands. We have this old piece of paper saying we can have guns. I dont think you do.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019646]death penalty doesn't scare killers[/QUOTE] And you think a jail sentence does? That's a joke.
[QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019759]Do you know what lifers do? They rape, murder and do drugs within the confines of the penetentiary system. What do they care about a few more years if they happen to commit a crime?[/QUOTE] and what's your point? [QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019759]Maybe not for a pampered british bourgeoisie kid like you.[/QUOTE] lol I'm american [editline]05:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Muffen;24019811]And you think a jail sentence does? That's a joke.[/QUOTE] I never said or implied that you on the other hand specifically said that the death penalty is a deterrent to which I responded that no, it isn't
That's fucking terrible They deserve the Death Penalty
[QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019759]Do you know what lifers do? They rape, murder and do drugs within the confines of the penetentiary system. What do they care about a few more years if they happen to commit a crime?[/QUOTE] Exactly. What's the worst that could happen to them?
Why the fuck did I imagine 2 guys in Suits on BMXs with shotguns
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019826]and what's your point?[/QUOTE] Here we go again. As has been repeatedly proven, you don't care about stopping crime. [QUOTE=JDK721;24019826]lol I'm american[/QUOTE] A self-hating American? You're not making things better for yourself. Besides, nationality was the least important deciding factor. If your name was Tariq Johnson, straight outta Compton, growing up with an alcoholic mom and never having met your own father, then prison isn't that harsh.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24015203]because murdering murderers makes perfect sense and is not hypocritical at all[/QUOTE] Or we could do it like the Norwegians and pretend there's nothing wrong with them, giving them better treatment and living standards when they're in "jail" than most people ever see. Let's see you come up with a better solution. There's no real way to change people that just do evil because they want to.
[QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019913]Here we go again. As has been repeatedly proven, you don't care about stopping crime.[/QUOTE] so your solution is just to kill anyone who commits crime? and yes, I do care about stopping crime, but the solution is not to just kill everyone [QUOTE=MingusMajor;24019913]A self-hating American? You're not making things better for yourself.[/QUOTE] I don't hate america disagreeing with policies =/= hate
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