Gunmen on bicycles kill Chicago child as she skips outside home..
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I hope they rot in jail!
[QUOTE=JDK721;24020625]jail is terrible regardless[/QUOTE]
not if you're a powerful figure.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24020172]and what would the radical rehaul consist of[/QUOTE]
Your guess is as good as mine. I don't have to worry about that, they pay someone to figure that out. All I know is that there is always room for improvement, especially in a system which is lacking.
[QUOTE=Muffen;24020694]Your guess is as good as mine. I don't have to worry about that, they pay someone to figure that out. All I know is that there is always room from improvement, especially in a system which is lacking.[/QUOTE]
one improvement would be abolishing the death penalty all together
I'm actually studying criminology so it might be one of my jobs in the future to determine how to improve the justice system, jails, prisons, etc.
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[QUOTE=Melnek;24020657]not if you're a powerful figure.[/QUOTE]
if you're powerful then the less likely you'll be incarcerated
[QUOTE=JDK721;24019419]no
and how is this relevant
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marijuana is bad? what?[/QUOTE]
Ok, you know what? Have your own opinion, be a "White Knight" all you fucking want, defend human rights, but please, for the love of God, your family, all the living things on Earth and Earth itself, learn how to use the fucking "Shift" key to put capital letters.
[QUOTE=Stopper;24020815]Ok, you know what? Have your own opinion, be a "White Knight" all you fucking want, defend human rights, but please, for the love of God, your family, all the living things on Earth and Earth itself, learn how to use the fucking "Shift" key to put capital letters.[/QUOTE]
how is this relevant to fucking anything?
[QUOTE=Stopper;24020815]Ok, you know what? Have your own opinion, be a "White Knight" all you fucking want, defend human rights, but please, for the love of God, your family, all the living things on Earth and Earth itself, learn how to use the fucking "Shift" key to put capital letters.[/QUOTE]
Sure.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24020901]Sure.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
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[QUOTE=Melnek;24020846]how is this relevant to fucking anything?[/QUOTE]
I see what you did there.
[QUOTE=Mexican;24020594]could you know keep them locked up instead of killing them right away so you can at least go "oops my bad" and let them out later.
also no one in this thread seems to grasp how much jail sucks.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't stop people?
[QUOTE=Swilly;24021176]That doesn't stop people?[/QUOTE]
No one said that it did. The death penalty doesn't stop anyone either like you guys said.
fffuck
i hope i never get randomly shot
[QUOTE=JDK721;24021215]No one said that it did. The death penalty doesn't stop anyone either like you guys said.[/QUOTE]
I haven't stated my opinion on the death penalty. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your arguments. You do a good enough job pointing out others.
[QUOTE=Swilly;24021281]I haven't stated my opinion on the death penalty. I'm just pointing out the flaws in your arguments. You do a good enough job pointing out others.[/QUOTE]
What flaws? I NEVER said that life imprisonment stops people.
[QUOTE=JDK721;24021215]No one said that it did. The death penalty doesn't stop anyone either like you guys said.[/QUOTE]
I think that in cases like this one, the criminals don't think about the penalty until they've committed the crime. And it's too late for thinking when you've shot a nine year-old. So, people generally fear of death penalty (Or any other penalty at all), but they only realize it when it's too late.
That's my opinion.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;24020123]you're a fucking hardboiled motherfucker taking prison like that and shit fuck man i wish everyone was like you and owned the prison and kicked everyones ass and got all the booty[/QUOTE]
You're a fucking dumbass and you didn't read my post. Let me break it down into small words so that you can understand. If your life was shit and you're used to violence and gangs, the transition to prison isn't as tough compared to an upper-middle class grad student from Connecticut.
[QUOTE=Stopper;24020815]Ok, you know what? Have your own opinion, be a "White Knight" all you fucking want, defend human rights, but please, for the love of God, your family, all the living things on Earth and Earth itself, learn how to use the fucking "Shift" key to put capital letters.[/QUOTE]
nah
im not even going to use punctuation now
[QUOTE=Stopper;24021347]I think that in cases like this one, the criminals don't think about the penalty until they've committed the crime. And it's too late for thinking when you've shot a nine year-old. So, people generally fear of death penalty (Or any other penalty at all), but they only realize it when it's too late.
That's my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Which is what I've been saying all along that the death penalty is NOT a deterrent.
Oh hey look, real facts!
[IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/execute.jpg[/IMG]
About half of the countries of the world still have the death penalty. On average, two countries per year have abolished the death penalty since 1976, the year it was abolished in Canada. Since then the Canadian murder rate has dropped from about 3 to about 2, undermining the argument that capital punishment is a deterrent. China, Iran and Nigeria accounted for 87% of reported executions in 1994, although there is debate about the number of executions in Iraq. An estimated 23 people proven innocent were wrongly executed in the United States between 1900 and 1995 (Amnesty International).
From the [URL="http://www.benbest.com/history/schemers.html"]gangland era of the 1930s[/URL] to 1963 there was a gradual decline in both murders & executions in the United States. In 1963 the US Supreme Court imposed rules on confessions & searches that accompanied a popular sentiment increasingly opposed to capital punishment -- and in 1972 struck down capital punishment laws as being "arbitrary and capricious". There were no executions in the United States between 1967 and 1977. Murder rates soared to levels not seen since the 1930s and remained at that level until the late 1970s when sentiment changed and execution began to be increasingly reinstated. As executions rose, the murder rate declined through the 1990s. In 2002 the Supreme Court ruled that the mentally retarded cannot be executed and that only juries can impose the death penalty -- two rulings that affected nearly a quarter of death-row inmates. (See [URL="http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/death/history.html"]The Death Penalty in the U.S.[/URL] for a more detailed history.)
Opponents of capital punishment generally hold that capital punishment is inhumane and has a "brutalizing effect" on society. They will often also say that capital punishment is applied in a haphazard manner -- if not systematically racist. They deny that anyone commits a crime having a concern about the consequences of getting caught. And many assert that the execution of even one wrongly convicted person is too high a price to pay, while others assert that execution is too high a price to pay whether the convicted person is innocent or not.
Abolitionists have pointed to the fact that states with the highest execution rates have the highest murder rates, whereas proponents have suggested that high murder rates had forced the adoption of execution. On March 1, 1847 the State of Michigan became the first English-speaking territory in the world to abolish the death penalty. It may be no accident that Detroit rivals Washington, DC as the city with the highest murder rate among American cities having a population over half-a-million. Texas, the state with the highest number of executions, dropped from being the state with the second highest murder rate to the 15th in the 1990s after beginning lethal injection in 1982. Thousands of murders are committed yearly by murderers released from prison -- a problem which could be eliminated by ensuring that convicted murderers are never released from prison.
In the early 1960s the vast majority of murder victims were acquainted with the murderer, but by the year 2000 nearly half of murder victims were strangers. This may undermine the argument that murders are impulsive crimes of passion wherein the threat of execution is not a deterrent. Murderers who kill their victim during a pre-meditated rape or robbery may well have enough familiarity with the criminal justice system to realize that the chance of escaping by killing a victim-witness may be worth the risk if execution upon capture is unlikely. Persons already habituated to prison life may not regard possible return to prison as much of a deterrent. If this argument is true, then humanitarian abolitionists must reconcile the 100,000 lives of American homicide victims who might have survived the 1963-1997 period against the lives of murderers who were not executed.
[URL]http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html#punish[/URL]
Hold on...in part of it is it saying that people who now murder at random do not care?
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;24021645]Thousands of murders are committed yearly by murderers released from prison -- a problem which could be eliminated by ensuring that convicted murderers are never released from prison.[/QUOTE]
so essentially this only happens because some people are stupid enough to go "well gee if we can't kill them let's just let them go". This doesn't apply to me, I've been saying life in prison with no parole is the alternative.
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;24021645]Persons already habituated to prison life may not regard possible return to prison as much of a deterrent.[/QUOTE]
Alright that's a reasonable point. Still, the death penalty should only be a possibility for someone who's already been in jail.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;24020123]you're a fucking hardboiled motherfucker taking prison like that and shit fuck man i wish everyone was like you and owned the prison and kicked everyones ass and got all the booty[/QUOTE]
You're posts are so consistently shit. Go away. At least JDK reads other peoples posts before replying, and is generally well spoken for the most part. You come off as a 12yr old who just discovered internet anonymity.
Ok, wait, wait.
I don't know if this was asked before but... what the fuck. A 9 year old got shot in the head and she survived [i]for an hour[/i]?
[QUOTE=JDK721;24020172]and what would the radical rehaul consist of[/QUOTE]
No TVs
No computers
[QUOTE=JDK721;24020625]jail is terrible regardless[/QUOTE]
Jail should be terrible. Jail should be a god awful place. People would be afraid of being caught if they knew they were in for a daily required ass fucking in jail. The worst offenders should pray for death. There has been at least one news story detailing how people are purposefully getting caught because they cannot find work, and are having trouble getting by, so they commit a crime to get free food and a bed.
[QUOTE=Ridge;24023659]Jail should be terrible. Jail should be a god awful place. People would be afraid of being caught if they knew they were in for a daily required ass fucking in jail. The worst offenders should pray for death. There has been at least one news story detailing how people are purposefully getting caught because they cannot find work, and are having trouble getting by, so they commit a crime to get free food and a bed.[/QUOTE]
no they shouldn't
take a look at the norway justice system, which focuses on rehabilitation: [url]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html?xid=huffpo-direct[/url]
[quote]Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%.[/quote]
incarceration and long incarceration rates DO NOT reduce crime, and they DO NOT keep people from re-offending.. in fact they do the opposite. I will find you the source for that if you want.
When I still lived in Hamburg, NY, a month before I left some jackass threw four cherry bombs at my friends, and myself.
I think I'll [i]skip[/i] on this.
:downsrim:
But really, that's terrible. Why would someone shoot an innocent 9-year-old?
[QUOTE=Ridge;24023585]No TVs
No computers[/QUOTE]
so they're not supposed to have any form of entertainment? and I'm pretty sure the computers are only allowed for certain purposes like education
it's not like they can just go on and start browsing facebook
Holy shit i live in chicago.
:(
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