Advances in genetic sequencing giving rise to a new era of "scientific" racism. - Polidicks

People aren't born equal, some people have better genetics. If we use science to show if someone has potential by looking at their genes to helped them realize their potential, I don't see why not. Science is the most neutral thing we have, what people should be aiming for is, that all people would get fair treatment by the law and society, dismissing people's inherent potential is just ignorant. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("gimmick" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43936632]No you guys, I totally didn't write all about this in the Genetic Engineering thread at all! Totally didn't call it.[/QUOTE] It must feel good to know your claims are substantiated a few anthropologists.

[QUOTE=FPtje;43935738]Is this article implying that races do not exist and that those non-existent races are not different in biology? Apparently a black skin is biologically the same as a white skin. By this logic I'm going blind.[/QUOTE] "Black" people and "white" people differ in only *one* genetic trait, namely that which controls the distribution of melanin. Anything beyond that is just correlation based on the balance of probabilities. For example, African-Americans tend to be prone to sickle-cell disease, because the alleles which cause vulnerability to that condition can also contribute to protection against malaria, which is useful in hot, mosquito-infested areas. Because most of the black-skinned people in America originally came from Africa, one could come to the conclusion that "black people are prone to sickle-cell anemia." That's largely true, at least for *most* black people in *America*, but it has nothing to do with their perceived race. Melanin and anemia are unrelated, so there can be (and are) people who are black but not vulnerable to sickle-cell, as well as people who are vulnerable but not black.

[QUOTE=Falubii;43936669]It must feel good to know your claims are substantiated a few anthropologists.[/QUOTE] You're right, because my primary concern is being right, not stopping this whole orwellian has potential to justify attrocities thing. No, it's not that at all.

[QUOTE=Hitler;43936658]People aren't born equal, some people have better genetics. If we use science to show if someone has potential by looking at their genes to helped them realize their potential, I don't see why not. Science is the most neutral thing we have, what people should be aiming for is, that all people would get fair treatment by the law and society, dismissing people's inherent potential is just ignorant.[/QUOTE] Since when were you German Hitler?

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;43936829]You're right, because my primary concern is being right, not stopping this whole orwellian has potential to justify attrocities thing. No, it's not that at all.[/QUOTE] Keep fighting the good fight brother, this science must be stopped!

[QUOTE=Saphirx;43936566][IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/289432-e900a4f4-9633-11e3-831f-628faee552fc.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [B]NUTTED BUT SHE STILL SUCKIN[/B]

Somewhere, DainBramagestudios is busting a nut.

[QUOTE=Falubii;43935905]That explains it.[/QUOTE] Anthropologists are usually at least half decent scientifically, and are often far better than sociologists.

[QUOTE=Hitler;43936658]People aren't born equal, some people have better genetics. If we use science to show if someone has potential by looking at their genes to helped them realize their potential, I don't see why not. Science is the most neutral thing we have, what people should be aiming for is, that all people would get fair treatment by the law and society, dismissing people's inherent potential is just ignorant.[/QUOTE] why has it taken until today for Hitler to appear?

[QUOTE=Antlerp;43937214]why has it taken until today for Hitler to appear?[/QUOTE] We didn't have the technology

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43936890]Since when were you German Hitler?[/QUOTE] Well he died and was reborn

[QUOTE=Antlerp;43937214]why has it taken until today for Hitler to appear?[/QUOTE] He comes when he is needed.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;43937214]why has it taken until today for Hitler to appear?[/QUOTE] Because Hitler is small time compared to most of facepunch anyway :v:

[QUOTE=Appellation;43937170]Anthropologists are usually at least half decent scientifically, and are often far better than sociologists.[/QUOTE] I really don't see how it's inherently any better than sociology.

[QUOTE=Falubii;43937375]I really don't see how it's inherently any better than sociology.[/QUOTE] Not inherently, it's just that a good deal of sociology has lost its way.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;43937214]why has it taken until today for Hitler to appear?[/QUOTE] Its a rare spawn, luckily we have a [url=http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Master_Ball]Master Ball[/url] on standby.

[QUOTE=FPtje;43935738]Is this article implying that races do not exist and that those non-existent races are not different in biology? Apparently a black skin is biologically the same as a white skin. By this logic I'm going blind. I fear I cannot read the article any further, for I cannot distinguish the black text from the white background. (I did read the article) edit: Science in itself does not decide morality. When science finds the following: It does not mean to say that African American is a superior race. What is implied by the evidence is shown in the abstract of the article that provides this evidence.[/QUOTE] Wait. So. In that if Blacks are more protected or resistant to Malaria, why is it that countries with white people have less cases of Malaria? Checkmate scientists. :v:

[QUOTE=Turnips5;43935634]what the hell research is this?[/QUOTE] To be honest, I for instance am capable of great abstraction and a kind of mathematical intuition but my memory is absolute shit tier and I cannot handle big volumes of information whatsoever - memorizing a lot of stuff at once just doesn't work for me, and I usually forget most of it anyway. In my case the hours and hours I spent in history, biology and literature as a kid were literally a waste of time, not because the things wouldn't interest me; I liked them, but because I remember next to nothing anyway, by today. If somebody could determine and confirm that I am genetically fit for maths and coding and my time was invested into that kind of thing from early childhood, I would have been somewhere entirely else. Vice versa, I know amazingly smart people who can fly through a novel and write a perfect summary in one sitting afternoon, but they couldn't do algebra or programming to save their life. Obviously, question is to what degree are these particular examples genetic, I do not know, but I think it's worth studying. And of course, there shouldn't be cases where some kids would be just given up on; I am talking about earlier specialization rather than preferential choice.

well genetics can tell you IF someone is predispositioned to be something,but people's personality, inteligence, and dispositions are also dependent on your development, if you got exposed to a lot of lead or hit on the head a lot as a kid for example your genes could say you would be really smart but your development was stunted by bad things.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43937328]He comes when he is needed.[/QUOTE] he's the hero we deserve, but not the hero we need right now

[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;43937668]Its a rare spawn, luckily we have a [url=http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Master_Ball]Master Ball[/url] on standby.[/QUOTE] w-why did you link it

[QUOTE=Vintage Thatguy;43938775]w-why did you link it[/QUOTE] I chickened out of a "Master Race" and "Moderator Ball" joke...

[QUOTE=FPtje;43935738]Is this article implying that races do not exist and that those non-existent races are not different in biology? Apparently a black skin is biologically the same as a white skin. By this logic I'm going blind. I fear I cannot read the article any further, for I cannot distinguish the black text from the white background. (I did read the article) edit: Science in itself does not decide morality. When science finds the following: It does not mean to say that African American is a superior race. What is implied by the evidence is shown in the abstract of the article that provides this evidence.[/QUOTE] Here's a video displaying the biological significance of skin colour (it's not very big) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrKrGkgeww4[/media]

you biotruthers are ridiculous if you were really that interested in genetics you would know that most human differentiation is accounted for by the differences between individuals. Even Dawkins says that shit is skin deep; making claims like [QUOTE=TheTalon;43936516] Ever wonder why since the early 80's the winner of the 100m at the World Athletics Championship has been a black guy? Except once? Genetics and DNA is why.[/quote] is completely unsupported by modern genetic science.

Yep. [url]http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/e/entine-taboo.html[/url] [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] Or better: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14679657[/url] [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] And then we have cultural influences. Huge ones.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;43936516]But genetically we are different. Pretending races are the same and no different from one another is just as ignorant as hurtful racism. Ever wonder why since the early 80's the winner of the 100m at the World Athletics Championship has been a black guy? Except once? Genetics and DNA is why. It's not a bad thing, it's just the human race[/QUOTE] more like the fact that those athletes come from countries without good roads or large amounts of cars so they grow up walking like 100+ miles a week, then when they get to be olympic age they have much more developed muscles for quick bursts of speed instead. also many of the winners of the 100m sprint are just lucky enough to have the right set of genes for denser muscles, better twitch muscles, and such, theres nothing stopping a white guy from having those same combinations they just haven't been seen. usan bolt's run was physiologically impossible but his muscles aren't normal human muscles and he was unusually tall so he was able to push just slightly over the limit of what should be possible

[QUOTE=Sableye;43939401]more like the fact that those athletes come from countries without good roads or large amounts of cars so they grow up walking like 100+ miles a week, then when they get to be olympic age they have much more developed muscles for quick bursts of speed instead. also many of the winners of the 100m sprint are just lucky enough to have the right set of genes for denser muscles, better twitch muscles, and such, theres nothing stopping a white guy from having those same combinations they just haven't been seen. [b]usan bolt's run was physiologically impossible but his muscles aren't normal human muscles and he was unusually tall so he was able to push just slightly over the limit of what should be possible[/b][/QUOTE] That's kind of a silly thing to say. Clearly it's not physiologically impossible if he did it. Also his muscles are quite human.

[QUOTE=Sableye;43939401] also many of the winners of the 100m sprint are just lucky enough to have the right set of genes for denser muscles, better twitch muscles, and such, theres nothing stopping a white guy from having those same combinations they just haven't been seen. usan bolt's run was physiologically impossible but his muscles aren't normal human muscles and he was unusually tall so he was able to push just slightly over the limit of what should be possible[/QUOTE] Well, for the mostly physical difference contests, Africa dominating is kind of to be expected - Africa holds the vast majority of humanity's genetic diversity*. Given that wide a range, you're more likely to find the physical outliers in such an environment. The only reason why Africa doesn't dominate every sport ever is because it can't match the genotypes that would make one especially good at that sport to the training needed for many. Probably applies to a lot of things too. *Admittedly, a large portion of diddly is still diddly. Humans are as inbred as fuck.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43939978]Well, for the mostly physical difference contests, Africa dominating is kind of to be expected - Africa holds the vast majority of humanity's genetic diversity*. Given that wide a range, you're more likely to find the physical outliers in such an environment. The only reason why Africa doesn't dominate every sport ever is because it can't match the genotypes that would make one especially good at that sport to the training needed for many. Probably applies to a lot of things too. *Admittedly, a large portion of diddly is still diddly. Humans are as inbred as fuck.[/QUOTE] We're not really, inbred.