Britain and France introduce no-fly zone resolution, vote expected in next few days - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Hick2;28626880]Who? some old fart in the UN?[/QUOTE] A large percentage of the Middle East and Northern Africa.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28626880]Who? some old fart in the UN?[/QUOTE] Are you very young, or just trolling? Think about it, who would not like Democratic armies marching into a Dictatorship country to save Pro-Democracy supporters? Lets see... nearly the entire Middle East, some big parts of Africa, and the Chinese.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;28626900]One country does not make the world, dude. Ever heard of a little place called Tibet?[/QUOTE] Tibet is a country, not a Democratic Uprising, not applicable to this conversation

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;28626900]One country does not make the world, dude. Ever heard of a little place called Tibet?[/QUOTE] Not to mention the fact that a country cannot recognize a government as a legit one in a country, they can only recognize a country.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28626939]Tibet is a country, not a Democratic Uprising, not applicable to this conversation[/QUOTE] So that means you've never heard of Tibet. Gotcha.

[QUOTE=Matix;28626929]A large percentage of the Middle East and Northern Africa.[/QUOTE] They all love Gaddafi I guess, not why they were planning a No fly zone of their own.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28626961]They all love Gaddafi I guess, not why they were planning a No fly zone of their own.[/QUOTE] There's a [i]lot[/i] of range between pro-democracy and pro-Gaddafi.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;28626956]So that means you've never heard of Tibet. Gotcha.[/QUOTE] A country's independence is different than a Revolution, This is a Revolution, the Rebels don't want to seperate, you said that yourself.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28626983]A country's independence is different than a Revolution, This is a Revolution, the Rebels don't want to seperate, you said that yourself.[/QUOTE] That's not the point, I was responding to your point that 'France recognizes the rebels as the official government', and explaining why it doesn't matter what France says.

[QUOTE=Matix;28626975]There's a [i]lot[/i] of range between pro-democracy and pro-Gaddafi.[/QUOTE] Okay, it would fuck world relations, point taken, but this is a double standard!, NATO sent weapons all over the World in the cold war, now just because it is dictators and not Communists means that pro-rebel aid can't be sent? Look at Yugoslavia, Look at Afghanistan

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627027]Okay, it would fuck world relations, point taken, but this is a double standard!, NATO sent weapons all over the World in the cold war, now just because it is dictators and not Communists means that pro-rebel aid can't be sent? Look at Yugoslavia, Look at Afghanistan[/QUOTE] If you want a government that has [b]no[/b] double standards then it's not a government at all.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627027]Okay, it would fuck world relations, point taken, but this is a double standard!, NATO sent weapons all over the World in the cold war, now just because it is dictators and not Communists means that pro-rebel aid can't be sent? Look at Yugoslavia, Look at Afghanistan[/QUOTE] You're seriously using those examples to support your opinion? Those examples are good reasons [i]not[/i] to try it again.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;28626212]Are you fucking kidding me "a full invasion" is winning?[/QUOTE] It's a lot less boring than a no-fly zone :xd:

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;28627015]That's not the point, I was responding to your point that 'France recognizes the rebels as the official government', and explaining why it doesn't matter what France says.[/QUOTE] Russia is one of few countries that acknowledges South Ossetia (or something) and It would the UN stop them from defending them, NO

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627027]Okay, it would fuck world relations, point taken, but this is a double standard!, NATO sent weapons all over the World in the cold war, now just because it is dictators and not Communists means that pro-rebel aid can't be sent? Look at Yugoslavia, Look at Afghanistan[/QUOTE] The Cold War was mindless hypocrisy. Yugoslavia went ahead without UN permission, and was thusly widely criticized for the massive amounts of civilians recklessly killed by NATO bombers. Afghanistan was.. yeah, a pretty fucked up situation too. They can't get involved on the knee-jerk.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627069]Russia is one of few countries that acknowledges South Ossetia (or something) and It would the UN stop them from defending them, NO[/QUOTE] You're missing the point again. Just because a country claims somebody is their ally, doesn't mean military action in defense would be a good idea. The Libyan government isn't going to give a shit what France thinks, their going to treat it as an act of war.

[QUOTE=Matix;28627045]You're seriously using those examples to support your opinion? Those examples are good reasons [i]not[/i] to try it again.[/QUOTE] Democracy succeeded in Yugoslavia, I'll admit Afghanistan was a Shit example but still. These people are fighting for their right to have a say in who rules them, same as those countries did, just because the world is watching, it can't happen

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627069]Russia is one of few countries that acknowledges South Ossetia (or something) and It would the UN stop them from defending them, NO[/QUOTE] And?

[QUOTE=Hick2;28626983]A country's independence is different than a Revolution, This is a Revolution, the Rebels don't want to seperate, you said that yourself.[/QUOTE] yeah and France has zilch authority to define the victor of the current putsch. [quote] Democracy succeeded in Yugoslavia, I'll admit Afghanistan was a Shit example but still. These people are fighting for their right to have a say in who rules them, same as those countries did, just because the world is watching, it can't happen [/quote] After massive expenses and who knows how many years of requiring Kfor to stand there. Also keep in mind that the Yugoslavian situation was different. You had ethnic groups that began to attack each other and commit pretty brutal athrocities. You had crimes against humanity happening there. The libyan uprising is a completely different situation and you can't really send in a peacekeeping force to keep the sides separated.

I see we have the French as a nice bad luck charm on our side.

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[QUOTE=Matix;28627096]You're missing the point again. Just because a country claims somebody is their ally, doesn't mean military action in defense would be a good idea. The Libyan government isn't going to give a shit what France thinks, their going to treat it as an act of war.[/QUOTE] I have missed the point here, it is some fanciful thinking that maybe World Diplomacy isn't fucked in the head and that people share common values, but they don't so these rebels are going to suffer and it will all happen all over again, god forbid people can't have their basic rights because they live under a madman with a hired army.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627181]I have missed the point here, it is some fanciful thinking that maybe World Diplomacy isn't fucked in the head and that people share common values, but they don't so these rebels are going to suffer and it will all happen all over again, god forbid people can't have their basic rights because they live under a madman with a hired army.[/QUOTE] Welcome to Earth. Not been here long, have you?

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;28627180]The French have won more wars than the US. By a lot.[/QUOTE] It's a joke... (they've also existed for 1000 years longer)

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627181]I have missed the point here, it is some fanciful thinking that maybe World Diplomacy isn't fucked in the head and that people share common values, but they don't so these rebels are going to suffer and it will all happen all over again, god forbid people can't have their basic rights because they live under a madman.[/QUOTE] That's not how "diplomacy" works. It sucks what these people are going through, and it would be great if everyone would come together and hold hands in support of the rebels, but democratic nations are not the Earth Defense Force. We can't decide what's best for everyone else, invading anyone who breaks the rules.

[QUOTE=Randdalf;28627230]It's a joke...[/QUOTE] I know, I just enjoy arguing over the Internet.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;28627227]Welcome to Earth. Not been here long, have you?[/QUOTE] We didn't argue like this on Mars. Everyone I know wants Gaddafi gone, but the butthead that is Reality is here [editline]16th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Matix;28627246]That's not how "diplomacy" works. It sucks what these people are going through, and it would be great if everyone would come together and hold hands in support of the rebels, but democratic nations are not the Earth Defense Force. [B]We can't decide what's best for everyone else by invading the "bad guys" all the time.[/B][/QUOTE] Hasn't stopped us in the past actually. Which I may say is a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627307]Hasn't stopped us in the past actually.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and it's usually had catastrophic consequences that adversely affected the world for years after. It's not as simple as winning and losing. Even the "winners" suffer a great deal.

[QUOTE=Mikedestruct;28624054]I hate America, they stick their no- oh wait. Also Britain and France doing military actions together = prelude to world war.[/QUOTE] :downs:

[QUOTE=Hick2;28627307]We didn't argue like this on Mars. Everyone I know wants Gaddafi gone, but the butthead that is Reality is here[/QUOTE] To be honest Gadaffi might not be the most popular leader, but he was pushing Africa towards a somewhat greater sense of unity, was relatively opposing an islamic state and began to lesson the draconic measures in his government. As a whole a lot of people I know argue that he is arguably better for the world than the rebels and most likely in the long term for Libya as well.