Cliff Bleszinkski responds to 'Tropes vs. Women' furor
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[QUOTE=catbarf;39898574]No, it comes from the backwards idiots that manage to creep onto any development team, because most companies don't gauge how much of an asshole you are during technical interviews. Here's a quote about the design of the main female character in Bulletstorm:
(note that the 'non-stereotypical' character [URL="http://www.411mania.com/game_article_pictures/16460.jpg"]still looks like this[/URL])
That's the creative director I bolded. Not some random programmer, but the person in charge of creative art direction, in charge of the look and feel of the whole project. It's mouth-breathing chucklefucks like this that shoehorn rampant sexism in games where it doesn't belong. Don't try to blame the publisher, at most a publisher will say it needs to appeal to a particular demographic and how the devs do it is up to them.[/QUOTE]
I actually tried to moderate my position to help turn Lachz0r ~to the Dark Side~ but if this is the shit some devs come up with then I couldn't care less about their artistic vision.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39899738]Who suggested banning pornography?[/QUOTE]
I'm not implying him specifically sorry if it sounded like that perhaps that part could've been worded a bit better. It's mostly the heavily religious/conservative anti-porn advocates that want to call for an outright ban or at least heavy regulation beyond what is already in place. This whole thing is a topic for another thread.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39896849]my problem with all this kind of stuff is that, shouldn't someones creation be entirely up to the creator? like, in any artistic medium i don't feel that you should have to change what you envision just to please others. but then again i'm not sure if that's what this is about either? if it's just identifying this kinda stuff then yeah it's cool & interesting (like, the damsel in distress shit going all the way back to ye olde times) but i wouldn't agree with trying to convince people to change their creations just to make people happy. but yeah if noones saying that then i'm just confused and nevermind[/QUOTE]
You're confusing two issues here, in my opinion.
1. What an industry, or group, does is one thing. If the videogame world has only sexualized female 'objects', not playable characters, that's one thing. That's a problem with that industry as a whole.
2. What any [i]individual[/i] game developer makes is a separate thing. For instance, the person making games that involve animals as playable characters is not part of the problem.
So it's possible to discuss the problem with the overall industry without 'forcing' any one developer to do anything specific. At this level, it's impossible to hide behind 'artistic medium' and 'creativity' as a defense.
When an 'artist' has the choice, and ALWAYS chooses to have a male playable character and a sexualized female 'object' for that character to save, that's not an artistic choice, lol. When it's a cliché that has been copy and pasted from many other stories and games into your story or game, you have not created 'art'. You're a craftsman and you've constructed something, that's all.
It's the equivalent of putting a poster on your wall. If you put a poster on your wall of some half dressed model, you have done nothing artistic. You are merely taking an image of a female someone else has deemed 'hot' and used that image for your own purposes. Game developers do the same with female characters.
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