British Airways flight 9
[quote][I]Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress.[/quote]
I[/I] [I]l[/I]ove how typically British this is. Its the kind of thing i would say being British. "stiffer the upper lip old chum"
Your mommas so fat that when she was cremated she delayed flights in Europe.
Shutting down a couple airlines for a bit might ruin weekend plans, but being dead also ruins plans.
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By [B]Simon Hooper[/B], CNN
[release]STORY HIGHLIGHTS
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[*]Aviation officials raise ash density threshold deemed dangerous to flights
[*]Airlines facing heavy losses say shutdown of airspace was unnecessary
[*]Aviation officials say they acted according to existing ash cloud guidelines
[*]Officials deny they were "bullied" by airlines into changing the rules
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Obviously, you send planes in there and at least 3/4 of them go down. You make the decision.
More or less. Safety is the most important concern.
But didn't they run test flights to see if it was okay, and they landed without a single problem? That's what I heard 5 days ago.
If volcanic ash can destroy airplane's engines in mid-flight, potentially killing hundreds of people then I think the shutdown WAS necessary.
Why am I getting rated dumb, lol?
[QUOTE=Demache;21495904]More or less. Safety is the most important concern.
But didn't they run test flights to see if it was okay, and they landed without a single problem? That's what I heard 5 days ago.[/QUOTE]
Really? I heard they had numerous problems.
Yeah Engine Flameouts aren't bad! Just a littile WD40 and Duct Tape will to the job,
[QUOTE=starpluck;21497984]Why am I getting rated dumb, lol?[/QUOTE]
Only becasue past threads created by you show that you're always critical of Government decisions.
We need someone to squeegee the windshield.
Oh wait my mistake it has been sandblasted.
I wonder whether people would blame god for this?
Anyone have that gif of how far the ash has spread?
I think it is better to be safe, Rather than sorry
Don't any of you watch discovery channel? They have this one show that covers air crashes, there have been a few with volcanic ash, they didn't end too well.
[QUOTE=Moreto;21498619]Don't any of you watch discovery channel? They have this one show that covers air crashes, there have been a few with volcanic ash, they didn't end too well.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9]BA9[/url]
Anybody who knows how volcanic ash reacts in commercial airliner propulsion systems would say yes to this subject, only an idiot would think it wasn't absolutely necessary.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21498211]Only becasue past threads created by you show that you're always critical of Government decisions.[/QUOTE]
No. I don't?
You think I coined the title for the article myself.
Since that was CNNs title, I decided to make a poll about it.
People that say that the air lockdown was unnecessary don't know the facts.
This is how a turbine blade looks like after the plane flys through the ash.
[img]http://www.radarheinrich.de/volcanos/island-2010/photos/1/3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.radarheinrich.de/volcanos/island-2010/photos/1/2.jpg[/img]
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This is also a very good source of information:
[url]http://www.radarheinrich.de/wbblite/thread.php?threadid=4625[/url]
No matter how annoyed I am that the package I ordered from the UK has still yet to arrive, the air restrictions were definitely necessary.
However, it could have been handled better but I do not blame anyone because this is the first time such a thing has happened.
yes, so i actually had some peace and quiet where i live. The planes flew right over every 10-20 minutes to and from Heathrow. Though i grew up with it my whole life so i gotten used to it.
Nah, let's just hope they don't crash or something!
[QUOTE=DogGunn;21498211]Only becasue past threads created by you show that you're always critical of Government decisions.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying that's a bad thing?
Yes, yes it bloody well was.
As a pilot, I understand the problems associated with volcanic ash. Having this kind of event happen to a country such as Britain, with several regional hubs all around the country such as Glasgow, Dublin, Heathrow, Bristol, Cardiff and the rest of the London TMA airports, the CAA would have been stupid [B]NOT[/B] to have grounded flights.
When a flight calls a mayday, it is given priority over all other traffic. Whether that mayday is a false positive or not is irrelevant - the commanding pilot of that aircraft has deemed it unsafe to continue flying in that configuration. That aircraft is given priority over all other aircraft in that control zone - so naturally, air traffic control units will move all other non-emergency traffic out of the way of the emergency, in order to get it into a safe configuration as quickly and as safely as possible. Now think of the London TMA - Stanstead, City, Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton - five major airports all within relitavely close proximity to one another, with literally hundreds of flights handled there a day. If a mayday happens in the TMA, or a mayday [B]HAS[/B] happened and is going to go into the TMA, air traffic control has a hell of a job clearing those flights nearby, which often can be dozens, to get the mayday on the ground safely. Work load on ATCU - major. Danger to all aircraft in air - increased.
Now think about this. With the amount of air traffic in the UK quite high already, and the high intensity of the London TMA and Manchester control areas, what would several maydays accomplish..? Complete and utter mayhem? More than likely.
The CAA and NATS did not want to run the risk of several maydays happening all at once. There was sound cause for flights to be delayed - the BA flight in the 1980s flying near Australia had a four-engine stall. If that kind of thing happened in UK airspace, the variables are drastic to even think about. CAA/NATS did the right thing.
[QUOTE=Dominic0904;21510224]yes, so i actually had some peace and quiet where i live. The planes flew right over every 10-20 minutes to and from Heathrow. Though i grew up with it my whole life so i gotten used to it.[/QUOTE]
And I thought my palce was noisy....
Also, [B]Personally[/B], I wouldn't be surprised if I wake up tomorrow to see some plane wrecks on TV.
And ash is still in the air at about 4000-5000ft. I flew into some yesterday, not enough to cause damage but enought to cover the airplane in a fine dust.
[QUOTE=runtime;21510569]
When a flight calls a mayday, it is given priority over all other traffic. [/QUOTE]
Your post was informative, but I have to ask: what happens if multiple maydays are called in the same area at the same time?
It was too risky to send them into that ash cloud, so yes it was necessary.
But we need better technology to prevent things like this from happening in the future.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;21510822]Your post was informative, but I have to ask: what happens if multiple maydays are called in the same area at the same time?[/QUOTE]
Most likely that won't happen, but If it does ATC would probably attempt to direct them away from each other.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwSuNoRyDHA[/url]
The documentary (or a modified version of it) of the events on BA 9.
(Video may only work for britlanders, also cannot embed.)
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