It's pretty ironic how a person who strongly advocates anarchy and bashes any form of government believes that people should be stopped from doing anything he doesn't like because it's "exploitative".
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;43030186]I understand your position completely, it's just bullshit. All you have posted were criteria that make a person a commodity that can be applied to other jobs as well. You pay masseuse for their physical service done to you. You pay models to use their bodies. You use basic physical workers without any skills. Even if someone would be hired to just stand somewhere in a corner and do absolutely nothing, it's still up to that person to do that. A person would only be as a commodity if it was done against the person's will, see slavery or human trafficking.[/QUOTE]
You pay a masseuse for the massage, yeah they use their body to provide the massage, but they provide the actual service through a skill they learned, something they spent the time understanding how to perform properly. You pay a model to pose, yeah they use their body to pose for shoots, but they provide the actual service through a skill they learned, something they spent time understand how to do properly. You pay basic physical workers for manual labour, yeah they use their body to provide the labour, but they provide the actual service through skills they learn. See where I'm going here?
You pay a prostitute for sex, yeah they use their body to provide the sex, and that's the end of it really. You are paying for their body (and occasionally skill as I've already said), not necessarily their skill as a piece of ass. But merely because they happen to have the sex organs you are looking for. [B]That[/B] is the distinction that I have had to repeat constantly. It's not a bullshit position, you [B]are[/B] paying explicitly for the use of their body, not necessarily the use of their time or skill.
Where are you pulling this "sex is some magical shit we can't talk about" shit from? I've only seen one post remotely like that in the thread and it wasn't anything to do with me or my stances on the matter.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;43030441]It's p. ironic how a person who strongly advocates anarchy and bashes any form of government believes that people should be stopped from doing anything he doesn't like because it's "exploitive".[/QUOTE]
Probably is too young for a job or never worked.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;43030441]It's pretty ironic how a person who strongly advocates anarchy and bashes any form of government believes that people should be stopped from doing anything he doesn't like because it's "exploitative".[/QUOTE]
Prostitution can be pretty exploitative dude. It's sorta inherent in the industry without massive regulation and restriction.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43030442] It's not a bullshit position, you [B]are[/B] paying explicitly for the use of their body, not necessarily the use of their time or skill.
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Sex requires no skills?
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;43030441]It's pretty ironic how a person who strongly advocates anarchy and bashes any form of government believes that people should be stopped from doing anything he doesn't like because it's "exploitative".[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's his argument at all.
People perfectly well know that prostitution is a terrible career path to take, and that people shouldn't be forced into a position where they do that.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43030464]Sex requires no skills?[/QUOTE]
Doesn't really require skills. Sure you can be skilled in certain ways of sexing things. Which is why things such as dominatrices are about. But straight up sex? Not really.
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I mean, you missed the entire point of my post if that's all you got out of it, but whatever.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43030442]You pay a masseuse for the massage, yeah they use their body to provide the massage, but they provide the actual service through a skill they learned, something they spent the time understanding how to perform properly. You pay a model to pose, yeah they use their body to pose for shoots, but they provide the actual service through a skill they learned, something they spent time understand how to do properly. You pay basic physical workers for manual labour, yeah they use their body to provide the labour, but they provide the actual service through skills they learn. See where I'm going here?
You pay a prostitute for sex, yeah they use their body to provide the sex, and that's the end of it really. You are paying for their body (and occasionally skill as I've already said), not necessarily their skill as a piece of ass. But merely because they happen to have the sex organs you are looking for. [B]That[/B] is the distinction that I have had to repeat constantly. It's not a bullshit position, you [B]are[/B] paying explicitly for the use of their body, not necessarily the use of their time or skill.
Where are you pulling this "sex is some magical shit we can't talk about" shit from? I've only seen one post remotely like that in the thread and it wasn't anything to do with me or my stances on the matter.[/QUOTE]
You can pay some random person to just rake leaves, that doesn't involve any learned skills and that person is just a commodity to you since now you dont have to do a mundane task.
Hell, good sex > raking leaves, when it comes to skill.
Sex is a service, just like physical labor.
Or a bodyguard, your paying for the persons body to protect you.
Just because sex is more of a someones body doesnt not make it any different, its a job.
You argument is incredibly weak.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43030489]You can most assured be skilled in straight-up sex.
If you've ever had bad sex you would know.[/QUOTE]
Good work, you totally wrecked that fagoot lmao.
Seriously? Are you seriously going down this route? Anyone can have sex, literally anyone. I even said you can be skilled at it. But there is no requirement for sex other than having places to stick things.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030447]Probably is too young for a job or never worked.[/QUOTE]
i'v prolly worked harder jobs than you have.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43030474]I don't think that's his argument at all.
People perfectly well know that prostitution is a terrible career path to take, and that people shouldn't be forced into a position where they do that.[/QUOTE]
Some prostitutes make a shitload of money and are treated with respect and protected in regulated areas.
Gee I wonder why its so good when its legal for prostitutes but so bad when its illegal?
So tell me how its a terrible career path if you are doing it legitly and not just a random illegal street prostitute?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030493]You can pay some random person to just rake leaves, that doesn't involve any learned skills and that person is just a commodity to you since now you dont have to do a mundane task.
Hell, good sex > raking leaves, when it comes to skill.
Sex is a service, just like physical labor.
Or a bodyguard, your paying for the persons body to protect you.
Just because sex is more of a someones body doesnt not make it any different, its a job.
You argument is incredibly weak.[/QUOTE]
Paying to rake leaves is paying for someones time to do a task. Paying for a bodyguard is sorta-similar to prostitution in that someone is providing you their body, but also their skill to keep people from fucking you up.
Sure raking leaves is totally devoid of skill, but you are not paying for the person, you are paying for the task. When it comes to prostitution, you are paying for the person as you personally use their body.
If you're going to call an argument incredibly weak, put some effort in yourself.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43030508]i'v prolly worked harder jobs than you have.[/QUOTE]
Bet you wont tell me what jobs.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030521]Some prostitutes make a shitload of money and are treated with respect and protected in regulated areas.
Gee I wonder why its so good when its legal for prostitutes but so bad when its illegal?
So tell me how its a terrible career path if you are doing it legitly and not just a random illegal street prostitute?[/QUOTE]
Prostitution is usually a career path of last choice.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030521]Some prostitutes make a shitload of money and are treated with respect and protected in regulated areas.
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so because some prostitutes are treated one way, that speaks for the entire industry or the underlying societal damage that industry can cause?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030526]Bet you wont tell me what jobs.[/QUOTE]
Elephant penis factory.
FUCKING HELL YAWNMEN split my automerge.
Why do all these threads devolve into yawmwen being retarded.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43030524]
Sure raking leaves is totally devoid of skill, but you are not paying for the person, you are paying for the task. When it comes to prostitution, you are paying for the person as you personally use their body.[/QUOTE]
Sex can be a task.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43030524]Paying to rake leaves is paying for someones time to do a task. Paying for a bodyguard is sorta-similar to prostitution in that someone is providing you their body, but also their skill to keep people from fucking you up.
Sure raking leaves is totally devoid of skill, but you are not paying for the person, you are paying for the task. When it comes to prostitution, you are paying for the person as you personally use their body.
If you're going to call an argument incredibly weak, put some effort in yourself.[/QUOTE]
When it comes to prostitution you are paying for their time to do a task, their skill, and body, so tell me how its different from a body guard this time?
You cant just make prostitution exclusive to just being about the body because you keep saying it.
Whether you want to admit it or not, there are people who pay prostitutes for a specific set of skills.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43030353]did any of my posts even use the word restrict?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43029544]well yea and regulating the market might be one way to help ensure women have more control. however, legalized prostitution shouldn't be an end-goal. the goal should be to shift towards a world where we don't look at sex as a commodity anymore.[/QUOTE]
Regulations are restrictions, but how do you expect the action to be done without government involvement? I phrased it a bit odd, but you seem to have a quite negative view of it. It is only harmful when completely unregulated, which is what happens when it is illegal.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43029478]the problem with prostitution is that it treats women as a commodity to be bought and sold for money.[/QUOTE]
My argument was against this.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43029513]except this thing is a person's sexuality. it means that a woman's body is just a product to be bought.[/QUOTE]
And this.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43029609]i'm not against legalization. people were asking how feminists or anyone could be against prostitution. i was answering that. prostitution is harmful, but it is more harmful in black markets.[/QUOTE]
How is it harmful inherently?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43029533]how many male prostitutes are there compared to women? a man's body and sexuality is not something that can be bought or sold to the same degree. [B]a man's sexuality is special[/B], a woman's is not.
and banning prostitution doesn't work so that idea should be off the table immediately. the problem can't be solved through brute legislation.[/QUOTE]
Can you explain this?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43030545]I wasn't insulting you, I was stating that bad sex is obvious if you've ever had it.
Maybe you've had only good sex, who knows. But you need skill to be good at it. You can't just hump until you cross the finish line, that's terrible sex.[/QUOTE]
Providing good sex isn't necessarily a requirement of being a prostitute, seeing as someone people are literally just paying you to stick things into your holes. Not everyone is hiring prostitutes to expand their sexual knowledge or experience good sex. It's kinda how the black market sex trade survives, the prostitutes aren't going to be willing, so it's not going to be good sex.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43030535]so because some prostitutes are treated one way, that speaks for the entire industry or the underlying societal damage that industry can cause?[/QUOTE]
Well this article is talking about making legal prostitution illegal so im talking about the legal prostitutes who are treated far better because thats on topic.
So yeah, the legal well treated prostitutes really do speak for the entire legal well treated prostitutes.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030526]Bet you wont tell me what jobs.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43030537]Elephant penis factory.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030548]Whether you want to admit it or not, there are people who pay prostitutes for a specific set of skills.[/QUOTE]
What is it with you lot thinking everyone arguing this is totally unaware of how the prostitution industry works? We know that there are people out there paying prostitutes for certain things. But that isn't a majority, or a major part of the reasons to hire one.
Why does it matter if prostitution requires no specific skill set. In reality it does, everything from people skills to an understanding of safety and marketing, but we'll pretend, for the sake of argument, it doesn't.
Stocking shelves requires effectively nothing aside from literacy and functional limbs.
Why does this matter?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43030576] Elephant Penis factory[/QUOTE]Obvious you wouldnt tell me.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43030578]What is it with you lot thinking everyone arguing this is totally unaware of how the prostitution industry works? We know that there are people out there paying prostitutes for certain things. But that isn't a majority, or a major part of the reasons to hire one.[/QUOTE]
Im not, but you seem to be, your the one who thinks prostitution isnt exactly the same as any other service except it involves sex instead of like fixing your pipes or driving you around.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;43030578]We know that there are people out there paying prostitutes for certain things. But that isn't a majority, or a major part of the reasons to hire one.[/QUOTE]
Why does this even matter? Legalization and regulation would help deal with the exploitative black market. Its better for prostitutes and people enjoy their services.
[QUOTE=Advancedrock;43029509]Kids cutting their neighbors lawns turns them into commodities to be bought and sold for money!!!1[/QUOTE]
Why are you even comparing volunteer labor to sexual services?
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43030604]Obvious you wouldnt tell me.[/QUOTE]
You're being indignant about some argument that was based in conjecture and dick-waving.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43030610]Why does this even matter? Legalization and regulation would help deal with the exploitative black market. Its better for prostitutes and people enjoy their services.[/QUOTE]
I've never said anything about the legality so I dunno why you keep coming back to this. Yes a more regulated and legal prostitution market would solve almost all the issues prostitutes face thanks to pimps being shitlords mostly, and human traffickers knowing people want prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;43030638]Why are you even comparing volunteer labor to sexual services?[/QUOTE]
because i supposed legalized and regulated sexual services are essentially paid labor
buuuut obviously this isn't taking into account Hexpunk's scenario of the prostitute just kind of standing there and then you get to [I]use her body[/I] or whatever (which could very well be the case! idk)
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