[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43031170]yeah i guess, that's why i feel this should be more of an argument about changing peoples ways of thinking rather than changing laws. and again, sex working is completely different. for one thing, sex isn't a purely physical activity. and sex working doesn't just take a purely physical toll especially when you take into account all the degradation and self-loathing that society causes to come with it[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I think the situation for prostitutes wouldn't be as bad if we didn't stigmatize them. we can't say "you can't sell your body" and ever hope to fix that problem. I agree there is a definite mental toll being taken but that doesn't have to be the case, or at least I don't think it does.
[editline]30th November 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Swilly;43031171]What you do with your body is what you do. I'd rather prostitution legalized while we attempt to reach equality instead of ban it and let it sink into the way it works in the US.[/QUOTE]
I agree
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43030137]how am i advocating government control?[/QUOTE]
By advocating a law that would make prostitution illegal and punish customers and sellers. If that's not government control, I don't know what is.
a lot of strange assumptions being made here.
the international sex trafficking industry is one of the biggest violations of human rights going on right now, and i don't see how legalising prostitution stops any of that.
maybe im a "hypocritical feminist" or whatever you people want to lodgge at someone, but i don't think prostitution should be 100% legalised until we have dealt and put away sex trafficking. for every single "self-made woman selling sex" (replace that with your fantasies about prostitution), there are 10 women who have been trafficked and coerced into it.
the solution is to decriminalise parts of it imo. don't punish the prostitute or the clients, punish the pushers and the pimps.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;43031264]By advocating a law that would make prostitution illegal and punish customers and sellers. If that's not government control, I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
you didn't read the part where yawmwen said he doesn't support banning prostitution
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;43029892]If that were true, you wouldn't expect [URL="http://economics.uchicago.edu/pdf/Prostitution%205.pdf"]the massive supply elasticity prostitutes have[/URL] as women move into or out of the field just as long as necessary or to get a short-term profit. Actual service professions don't have people just suddenly flop in with no training and perform perfectly well, you can't just up and decide to be a nurse or mechanic or hairstylist for a month. Whores don't behave like unskilled laborers because they're providing a service, it's because they are unskilled laborers in the majority of instances and simply providing a commodity of "pussy." The simplest counterargument here is the [URL="http://www.lse.ac.uk/geographyAndEnvironment/whosWho/profiles/neumayer/pdf/Article-for-World-Development-_prostitution_-anonymous-REVISED.pdf"]positive correlation between legal prostitution and inward human trafficking-[/URL] if you can actually use an economic argument to explain how trafficked humans are a natural consequence of a service industry demand increase, but only in a way that affects this one oddly specific industry, I'll eat a hat.
Of course, not all types of prostitute are equal, [URL="http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21578434-old-industry-deep-recession-sex-doesnt-sell"]which is why dominatrices and other people with a skill set actually behave as such[/URL], but going "oh well it's a service like any other!" is willfully ignoring actual economics.[/QUOTE]
most important post in this damn thread
this isn't a black and white issue, you aren't either for legal prostitution or against it
[QUOTE=Van-man;43029031]Explained in a way even a moron can understand.
Except rabid militant feminists are dumber than that.[/QUOTE]
Okay okay okay, let's put this in perspective.
[URL="http://www.zmescience.com/research/how-scientists-tught-monkeys-the-concept-of-money-not-long-after-the-first-prostitute-monkey-appeared/"]Even [I]capuchin monkeys[/I] understand the concept of prostitution[/URL]
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43031279]you didn't read the part where yawmwen said he doesn't support banning prostitution[/QUOTE]
He doesn't support banning it, he just supports it not being allowed, right?
He compares it to slavery, which is banned. The difference is in places like America, prostitution has always been banned. All that has done was create a social stigma against prostitutes and to a lesser degree, men who buy them. It's also left them with little resources to turn to if they're taken advantage of or worse, which they often are [I]because[/I] they have noone to turn to. It's also made it into an 'at your own risk' industry where disease runs rampant because there are no standards or regulations.
The argument came up earlier that it being legal hasn't stopped sex traffickers. Slavery being illegal hasn't stopped exploitation. They're entirely different issues and need to be tackled separately.
[QUOTE=Sir M;43029243]A WOMAN SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER SHE WANTS
Unless she wants to be a stay at home mum, prostitute, or porn star.[/QUOTE]
I want to be all those things!
[editline]30th November 2013[/editline]
Oh shit there's five pages.
Silly Swedes; everyone knows Norway is king of positive statistics:
[img]http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/images/1/1a/Share_of_renewables_in_gross_final_energy_consumption%2C_2010_and_2020_%28%25%29.png[/img]
I honestly cannot believe that Facepunch supports prostitution.
But hey, even FPers gotta get laid somehow.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43031121]do they taste good?[/QUOTE]
never had one. they are like $15/lb where i live. ask someone in japan or china, it's a big food over there. most geoduck is exported to east asia. i'v heard it tastes like a "mild" clam, and that it's more meaty. sounds good to me, but i never actually got up and decided to buy it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;43031762]
He compares it to slavery[/QUOTE]
i didn't try and compare slavery to prostitution in a moral sense. i was using it as an example of another practice which had high demand for a very long time and now demand for slavery isn't very high at all anymore. what changed about slavery that made it undesirable?
What about male prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;43032796]What about male prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
what about them? i'm fairly sure prostitution laws aren't based on gender
[QUOTE=slayer64;43032173]I honestly cannot believe that Facepunch supports prostitution.
But hey, even FPers gotta get laid somehow.[/QUOTE]
You are stupid and ignorant if you dont believe supporting legalized and regulated prostitution is by far the best way to handle it.
For fuck sakes, selling sex has been around for like 2000+ years, it is never going to go anywhere.
The best solution is to make it legal but have proper laws surrounding it to protect the prostitutes and to make it into a more respectable or at the very least much safer career.
There is a lot wrong with some asshole pimp being a complete douche and harm to prostitues, but honestly, there is nothing wrong with someone wanting to make money by selling sex with a proper business where they have rights and protection.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;43033169]You are stupid and ignorant if you dont believe supporting legalized and regulated prostitution is by far the best way to handle it.
For fuck sakes, selling sex has been around for like 2000+ years, it is never going to go anywhere.
The best solution is to make it legal but have proper laws surrounding it to protect the prostitutes and to make it into a more respectable or at the very least much safer career.
There is a lot wrong with some asshole pimp being a complete douche and harm to prostitues, but honestly, there is nothing wrong with someone wanting to make money by selling sex with a proper business where they have rights and protection.[/QUOTE]
slayer64 is a fundamentalist christian, don't expect him to have any real reason to be against prostitution
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43031292]this isn't a black and white issue, you aren't either for legal prostitution or against it[/QUOTE]
It kind of is.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43033590]It kind of is.[/QUOTE]
Its kind of not for the various reasons yawman, thisispain, and Xenocidebot have stated.
[QUOTE=Advancedrock;43029509]Kids cutting their neighbors lawns turns them into commodities to be bought and sold for money!!!1[/QUOTE]
If that is the case I'm the biggest whore, I mowed all da lawns.
Some times i even went down with the weed whacker
My dad owns a landscaping company.
Does that mean that he's a pimp?
[QUOTE=thisispain;43031278]a lot of strange assumptions being made here.
the international sex trafficking industry is one of the biggest violations of human rights going on right now, and i don't see how legalising prostitution stops any of that.
maybe im a "hypocritical feminist" or whatever you people want to lodgge at someone, but i don't think prostitution should be 100% legalised until we have dealt and put away sex trafficking. for every single "self-made woman selling sex" (replace that with your fantasies about prostitution), there are 10 women who have been trafficked and coerced into it.
the solution is to decriminalise parts of it imo. don't punish the prostitute or the clients, punish the pushers and the pimps.[/QUOTE]
It would be a huge step forward to have the authorities actually bother understanding the inner workings of sex trafficking so proper measures can be taken, because at the moment I can't help but think this is exactly like piracy and a lot of other issues : important decisions taken by people who are completely out of touch and oblivious about the subject.
It's just not possible to remove sex trafficking altogether because it'll always be a constant in third-world countries and regardless of the level of legalization, underage prostitutes will always be illegal (and there will always be a market for it). But having a double process of decriminalizing prostitution while establishing proper processes of investigation on sex trafficking networks would help a lot.
In France there currently is a law that's being voted to criminalize clients from prostitutes, coming from people who are deeply convinced that this will, somehow, solve everything. Of course the union of prostitutes (yes that's a thing) immediately protested and explained how such a law will only serve to make prostitution even MORE of a criminal thing ran by deeper criminal network, and will not stop prostitution from happening at all.
Now I'm not saying anything for sure, but I think it's common sense to say that prostitution at the moment is a big issue on the legal side, and that simply banning it altogether and plugging our ears hopping it goes away will not fix anything. Anything else is pretty much just theories on how things would happen but it's still better than just taking idiotic decisions that won't bring anything good.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;43034264]My dad owns a landscaping company.
Does that mean that he's a pimp?[/QUOTE]
How many hoes does he have.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43033187]slayer64 is a [B]fundamentalist[/B] christian, don't expect him to have any real reason to be against prostitution[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not. I just don't see any legitimate reason to legalize prostitution.
I was talking to a woman online, she was very convincing how prostitution is just a downward spiral of degradation in order to pay your student loans and shit, there's fairly few women who "Want" to sell themselves, many are just forced into it by financial issues. She had talked to women who had done it and had tried to get them out of it.
So I'm completely for banning prostitution.
[QUOTE=tr00per7;43040228]I was talking to a woman online, she was very convincing how prostitution is just a downward spiral of degradation in order to pay your student loans and shit, there's fairly few women who "Want" to sell themselves, many are just forced into it by financial issues. She had talked to women who had done it and had tried to get them out of it.
So I'm completely for banning prostitution.[/QUOTE]
the problem is that banning prostitution doesn't eliminate prostitution, it only moves the market underground. banning it makes it less safe. decriminalized or legalized prostitution isn't very desirable, but it's better than illegal prostitution.
[QUOTE=tr00per7;43040228]I was talking to a woman online, she was very convincing how prostitution is just a downward spiral of degradation in order to pay your student loans and shit, there's fairly few women who "Want" to sell themselves, many are just forced into it by financial issues. She had talked to women who had done it and had tried to get them out of it.
So I'm completely for banning prostitution.[/QUOTE]
because fuck those women who have loans to pay and won't be able to work in a market that doesn't cost anything to join or be trained in after its banned!
[QUOTE=omggrass;43040308]because fuck those women who have loans to pay and won't be able to work in a market that doesn't cost anything to join or be trained in![/QUOTE]
don't act like it's a good thing that women with no financial recourse can be forced by circumstance into prostitution
[QUOTE=omggrass;43040308]because fuck those women who have loans to pay and won't be able to work in a market that doesn't cost anything to join or be trained in after its banned![/QUOTE]
holy shit this is the most ridiculous attitude i have ever read.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43040318]don't act like it's a good thing that women with no financial recourse can be forced by circumstance into prostitution[/QUOTE]
Do have some sympathy.
It is the only way he's ever going to get laid after all.
[QUOTE=omggrass;43040308]because fuck those women who have loans to pay and won't be able to work in a market that doesn't cost anything to join or be trained in after its banned![/QUOTE]
Is it really that easy? I'd of thought that places like germany or australia who have officially licensed brothels would actually have abit more precautionary systems aside from " lol yeah you can come work here " at the very least a medical examination.
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