[QUOTE=slayer64;43040003]No, I'm not. I just don't see any legitimate reason to legalize prostitution.[/QUOTE]
Why is the default position illegal? It should be about justifying why it should be criminal.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43040269]the problem is that banning prostitution doesn't eliminate prostitution, it only moves the market underground. banning it makes it less safe. decriminalized or legalized prostitution isn't very desirable, but it's better than illegal prostitution.[/QUOTE]
That's why I feel welfare system is a good idea, it stops people have to sell themselves to get by and pay there bills.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43040003]No, I'm not. I just don't see any legitimate reason to legalize prostitution.[/QUOTE]
Hate to break it to you, but if you make it illegal, more problems are created than legalization. There really is no feasible solution around it.
[QUOTE=tr00per7;43040493]That's why I feel welfare system is a good idea, it stops people have to sell themselves to get by and pay there bills.[/QUOTE]
Whilst welfare catches most cases, it doesn't catch all. If someone takes a loan out whilst in good economic standing, and something goes wrong (like, they fuck up and use a loan shark), welfare won't fix that. It'd stop them living on the streets, sure. But it won't cover loan fees.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43040408]Why is the default position illegal? It should be about justifying why it should be criminal.[/QUOTE]
Usually because of really old out of date "holy books" that wrote it off as bad, then later used by very pick and choose religions
[QUOTE=tr00per7;43040493]That's why I feel welfare system is a good idea, it stops people have to sell themselves to get by and pay there bills.[/QUOTE]
welfare can be pretty complex and an entirely different thread in and of itself
[QUOTE=tr00per7;43040493]That's why I feel welfare system is a good idea, it stops people have to sell themselves to get by and pay there bills.[/QUOTE]
But it's much more tempting than welfare due to the amount of cash you can earn, and most likely a faster payout than welfare
[QUOTE=thisispain;43031278]a lot of strange assumptions being made here.
the international sex trafficking industry is one of the biggest violations of human rights going on right now, and i don't see how legalising prostitution stops any of that.
maybe im a "hypocritical feminist" or whatever you people want to lodgge at someone, but i don't think prostitution should be 100% legalised until we have dealt and put away sex trafficking. for every single "self-made woman selling sex" (replace that with your fantasies about prostitution), there are 10 women who have been trafficked and coerced into it.
the solution is to decriminalise parts of it imo. don't punish the prostitute or the clients, punish the pushers and the pimps.[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree with thisispain on this one. Well, just in that I think prostitution should be legal, I agree with his premise for wanting it illegal
There are lots of legal things out there right now that facilitate illegal things. But I can't justify throwing people in jail for exercising bodily autonomy (which is what people who willingly enter prostitution are doing) in exchange for a slightly higher chance of finding people who are being exploited and stopping those who exploit them, as noble as that goal may be
[editline]1st December 2013[/editline]
Oh and everyone should stop comparing prostitution to moving crates or gardening
I doubt you'd like it very much if someone raped you and got off with a punishment equivalent to that of stealing some flowers, when sex is involved things become a lot more touchy. Not just for the practical reasons of pregnancy and disease but also because sex crimes are a personal violation leagues beyond almost all other crimes. Working as a gardener doesn't open you up to this like working as a prostitute does
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43040408]Why is the default position illegal? It should be about justifying why it should be criminal.[/QUOTE]
Because people being sold, either by themselves or by other people, is not a practice that should be encouraged. By allowing people to sell their bodies, you open the door to a whole new set of problems. Human traffickers can operate more openly, because it won't look suspicious. Rather than look for real work, impoverished women might feel prostitution is their only option. Banning it doesn't solve all the problems, but neither does legalizing it.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43041065]Because people being sold, either by themselves or by other people, is not a practice that should be encouraged. By allowing people to sell their bodies, you open the door to a whole new set of problems. Human traffickers can operate more openly, because it won't look suspicious. Rather than look for real work, impoverished women might feel prostitution is their only option. Banning it doesn't solve all the problems, but neither does legalizing it.[/QUOTE]
But legalization is probably going to be the "necessary evil". Because like I said, you really can't avoid it.
"We are not victims, we are adventurous sex goddesses!"
I see.
[QUOTE=slayer64;43041065]Because people being sold, either by themselves or by other people, is not a practice that should be encouraged. By allowing people to sell their bodies, you open the door to a whole new set of problems. Human traffickers can operate more openly, because it won't look suspicious. Rather than look for real work, impoverished women might feel prostitution is their only option. Banning it doesn't solve all the problems, but neither does legalizing it.[/QUOTE]
You're going to find it impossible to define "selling yourself" without including most physical labour jobs.
I see you not capitalizing yawmwen you shit.
[QUOTE=Viper_;43042287]I see you not capitalizing yawmwen you shit.[/QUOTE]
That's just how anti-capitalist he is.
[QUOTE=Viper_;43042287]I see you not capitalizing yawmwen you shit.[/QUOTE]
it's on purpose, and it's for aesthetic reasons(capital letters are UGLY)
[QUOTE=slayer64;43041065]Because people being sold, either by themselves or by other people, is not a practice that should be encouraged.[/QUOTE]
The government shouldn't be controlling how people decide to live their lives. I would of course agree with it having a social safety net and it working create a stable economy so that this isn't necessary.
Banning it really gives criminals a monopoly over the industry.
I want to fuck. I have $50.
You want $50 and don't mind fucking.
We fuck.
Arrest me.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;43043439]I want to fuck. I have $50.
You want $50 and don't mind fucking.
We fuck.
Arrest me.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hnG_JfJ_k[/url]
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43043325]The government shouldn't be controlling how people decide to live their lives. I would of course agree with it having a social safety net and it working create a stable economy so that this isn't necessary.
Banning it really gives criminals a monopoly over the industry.[/QUOTE]
There are some really interesting marxist/socialist views on the issue related to exploitation and gender issues.
Here in Argentina the left is building consensus to ban it on grounds that it "forces women who are on a precarious situation to sell their body when they shouldn't be doing so".
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;43043527]There are some really interesting marxist/socialist views on the issue related to exploitation and gender issues.
Here in Argentina the left is building consensus to ban it on grounds that it "forces women who are on a precarious situation to sell their body when they shouldn't be doing so".[/QUOTE]
yeah it's quite a complex issue really, i'm against the government regulating what someone can or can't do, but at the same time, very very VERY few people go into prostitution because they want to. when it's either be a prostitute or starve you can't really call it a choice
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43040560]I have to disagree with thisispain on this one. Well, just in that I think prostitution should be legal, I agree with his premise for wanting it illegal
There are lots of legal things out there right now that facilitate illegal things. But I can't justify throwing people in jail for exercising bodily autonomy (which is what people who willingly enter prostitution are doing) in exchange for a slightly higher chance of finding people who are being exploited and stopping those who exploit them, as noble as that goal may be
[editline]1st December 2013[/editline]
Oh and everyone should stop comparing prostitution to moving crates or gardening
I doubt you'd like it very much if someone raped you and got off with a punishment equivalent to that of stealing some flowers, when sex is involved things become a lot more touchy. Not just for the practical reasons of pregnancy and disease but also because sex crimes are a personal violation leagues beyond almost all other crimes. Working as a gardener doesn't open you up to this like working as a prostitute does[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly certain that a lot of the people who aim to make prostitution illegal aren't aiming to make it illegal to be a prostitute.
Rather they aim to make the client and/or the pimp get the jail time for the act.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43043568]yeah it's quite a complex issue really, i'm against the government regulating what someone can or can't do, but at the same time, very very VERY few people go into prostitution because they want to. when it's either be a prostitute or starve you can't really call it a choice[/QUOTE]Is that a fault of prostitution though or simply a failure of the safety nets that should be preventing that from ever being a dilemma?
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;43043628]Is that a fault of prostitution though or simply a failure of the safety nets that should be preventing that from ever being a dilemma?[/QUOTE]
which is why it's a complex issue. ideally sure, prostitution would be legal, i'm not a prude or anything. and it would be the recourse of people that genuinely wish to pursue that, but as it is, prostitution is a rock-bottom choice you're forced into because of economic pressure or sex-trafficking
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43043650]which is why it's a complex issue. ideally sure, prostitution would be legal, i'm not a prude or anything. and it would be the recourse of people that genuinely wish to pursue that, but as it is, prostitution is a rock-bottom choice you're forced into because of economic pressure or sex-trafficking[/QUOTE]At least with it being legal though work can be done to insure some level of standards and safety.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43043568]very very VERY few people go into prostitution because they want to. when it's either be a prostitute or starve you can't really call it a choice[/QUOTE]
I think the same argument applies to every unpleasant job that people inevitably do because it makes ends meet.
I think it even applies to jobs that aren't necessarily unpleasant, but aren't exactly how you'd like to spend 8-12 hours of your day. But you've got to eat, so you do it.
I'm in support of legalising it, but it needs to properly regulated and people who work in the industry need a platform where they can blow the whistle on any abusive practice going on. Anyone brought into it through sex trafficking needs to know that they can speak up if they've been forced into the industry, and if they speak up about their situation, that they can do it safely and secretly.
[QUOTE=Riutet;43044144]I think the same argument applies to every unpleasant job that people inevitably do because it makes ends meet.
I think it even applies to jobs that aren't necessarily unpleasant, but aren't exactly how you'd like to spend 8-12 hours of your day. But you've got to eat, so you do it.
I'm in support of legalising it, but it needs to properly regulated and people who work in the industry need a platform where they can blow the whistle on any abusive practice going on. Anyone brought into it through sex trafficking needs to know that they can speak up if they've been forced into the industry, and if they speak up about their situation, that they can do it safely and secretly.[/QUOTE]
prostitution and cleaning toilets aren't really comparable
[editline]2nd December 2013[/editline]
and i'm not exactly in favour of people being forced to work incredibly menial jobs due to being victims of circumstance either
Why? It's just stupid. They're only making it worse for the prostitutes. THe prostitutes will loose their jobs.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43043650]which is why it's a complex issue. ideally sure, prostitution would be legal, i'm not a prude or anything. and it would be the recourse of people that genuinely wish to pursue that, but as it is, prostitution is a rock-bottom choice you're forced into because of economic pressure or sex-trafficking[/QUOTE]
do you have any evidence to back up your claim of prostitution being exclusive to people of low socio-economic status or are you just running off baseless stereotypes?
sex trafficking is a completely different issue and it's more about welfare for ensuring people have enough cash rather than closing off one particular avenue to survive. but its kinda insulting to assume that almost all women who become sex workers are poor trash working the streets, especially when here we've only got [url=http://economics.com.au/?p=4261]1 in 10[/url] actually on the streets with the rest registered or in licensed brothels earning damn good cash.
Is this really the biggest issue today? Isn't there more important things for them to focus on?
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Always reminds me off this, somewhat releated.
that "http://TheFunnyPlace.net" sure sounds like a fun place
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