aren't there bullet proof clothing stores
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[quote]The scientists started with a $5 package of plain, white T-shirts purchased at Wal-Mart, which they then cut into thin strips. They dipped those white cotton strips into a black solution of boron. After an hour, the strips were removed from the solution and baked in at oven at more than 1,000 degrees Celsius (1832 degrees Fahrenheit) for an hour. The heat stripped away anything that wasn't carbon or boron, and combined these two elements into boron carbide.[/quote]
How the fuck could I possibly do this at all?
Screw that, this isn't an easy one step home-made solution.
[QUOTE=bravehat;21168153]DIY bulletproof armour eh?
Worst. Idea.
[b]ever![/b]
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Wait a fucking minute, I need to make boots out of this shit.
[b]BULLET PROOF TOE CAP MOTHER FUCKERS!!![/b] :v:[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Git;21168137]Damn, my oven doesn't go up to 1,000 degrees Celsius :saddowns:[/QUOTE]
I actually have a kiln. I probably have a higher chance of trying this out if I really wanted to I guess. The only problem is the inability to successfully test out the final result due to my location in the United Kingdom. Also I will be unable to buy Boron.
"bulletproof" is a really stupid term and I doubt that this would be capable of stopping higher powered pistol (.357 magnum and beyond) and pretty much all rifle rounds.
More traditional ballistic vests make a very good and comfortable platform for load bearing pouches, anyway.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21171534]Jesus, that's an AM rifle. I don't care if you're wearing dragon scale, if that Barret pegs you at 500 yds you're gonna be in the ground.[/QUOTE]
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What's up?
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;21172889][IMG]http://brandrea.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/jesus_gun31.jpg[/IMG]
What's up?[/QUOTE]
Hey Jesus, whats up is, that's an AM rifle. He doesn't care if you're wearing dragon scale, what he is saying is that if that Barret pegs you at 500 yds you're gonna be in the ground.
Whatever happened to this shit?
[IMG]http://soldiercitizen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dragon20skin20armor.jpg[/IMG]
A concept with an enormous amount of potential.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21171534]Jesus, that's an AM rifle. I don't care if you're wearing dragon scale, if that Barret pegs you at 500 yds you're gonna be in the ground.[/QUOTE]
Fuck that, it'd tear you in half!
Boron, you say?
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21173025]Whatever happened to this shit?
[IMG]http://soldiercitizen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dragon20skin20armor.jpg[/IMG]
A concept with an enormous amount of potential.[/QUOTE]
Killed by the U.S. Army's red tape.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21173025]Whatever happened to this shit?
[IMG]http://soldiercitizen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dragon20skin20armor.jpg[/IMG]
A concept with an enormous amount of potential.[/QUOTE]
I remember hearing that it didn't live up to the specifications required as being fully effective after X amount of time, and it didn't always live up to its maximum potential.
Regardless I know that it's being used sporadically in the middle east. There was a video of an insurgent hitting a soldier with some form of sniper rifle; dropped the man to the ground, but he got back up and got cover. Was pretty impressive.
The issue with Dragonskin is that it will almost always stop the first round, regardless of caliber (aside from a 50 cal or some other ridiculously massive round), but the plate it hits shatters and the area it covered becomes exposed to a second hit and the plates above it have one less plate to distribute the weight onto. Traditional body armor may shatter, but the fragments are still kind of usable. They did manage to prove that a soldier with a bit of luck and dragonskin armor could potentially dive on a grenade and live to tell about it. The armor just doesn't stand up over continued fire.
[QUOTE=redonkulous;21173337]The issue with Dragonskin is that it will almost always stop the first round, regardless of caliber (aside from a 50 cal or some other ridiculously massive round), but the plate it hits shatters and the area it covered becomes exposed to a second hit and the plates above it have one less plate to distribute the weight onto. Traditional body armor may shatter, but the fragments are still kind of usable. They did manage to prove that a soldier with a bit of luck and dragonskin armor could potentially dive on a grenade and live to tell about it. The armor just doesn't stand up over continued fire.[/QUOTE]
So if someone got blasted with an automatic rifle, they'd be dead. However if they were shot once or twice they would have a higher chance of surviving?
[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;21173604]So if someone got blasted with an automatic rifle, they'd be dead. However if they were shot once or twice they would have a higher chance of surviving?[/QUOTE]
I think he was saying something about two shots hitting the same scale of the dragon skin armour.
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Read it a bit more carefully, it's about all the scales near the impact of the first shot becoming useless.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21173025]Whatever happened to this shit?
[IMG]http://soldiercitizen.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/dragon20skin20armor.jpg[/IMG]
A concept with an enormous amount of potential.[/QUOTE]
It was tested and found to be fragile and provide rather poor angular and repeated same hit protection; the only benefit over existing soft armour and SAPI plate combinations is abit more coverage area.
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[QUOTE=redonkulous;21173337]The issue with Dragonskin is that it will almost always stop the first round, regardless of caliber (aside from a 50 cal or some other ridiculously massive round)[/QUOTE]
lolno
It was either level III or IV protection; the same as the currently issued ballistic protection in the US military. It can repeatedly stop practically every intermediate assault rifle cartridge such as 5.56x45 NATO, 5.45x39, and 7.62x39 soviet, along with some of the lower spectrum full size cartridges used in battle rifles like 7.62x51 NATO, but .30-06 is pushing it and anything above that will go through.
[quote]The issue with Dragonskin is that it will almost always stop the first round, regardless of caliber (aside from a 50 cal or [B]some other ridiculously massive round[/B])[/quote]
[QUOTE=Regulas021;21171534]Jesus, that's an AM rifle. I don't care if you're wearing dragon scale, if that Barret pegs you at 500 yds you're gonna be in the ground.[/QUOTE]
Dragon scale is shit. Never mention it again.
[QUOTE=redonkulous;21175624]The issue with Dragonskin is that it will almost always stop the first round, regardless of caliber (aside from a 50 cal [b]or some other ridiculously massive round)[/b][/QUOTE]
Even a game hunting round like .300 Winchester magnum or .338 LaPua magnum; which are a good amount smaller than .50 BMG are capable of penetrating IV level plates.
To compare the middle power loads:
.30-06 has about 3000 ft lbs of energy.
.300 Winchester magnum has about 3500 ft lbs of energy.
.338 LaPua magnum has about 4900 ft lbs of energy.
.50 BMG has about 15000 ft lbs of energy.
Although foot pounds isn't the end-all of terminal ballistic performance, that should give you a good idea of the power.
[QUOTE=redonkulous;21173337]The issue with Dragonskin is that it will almost always stop the first round, regardless of caliber (aside from a 50 cal or some other ridiculously massive round), but the plate it hits shatters and the area it covered becomes exposed to a second hit and the plates above it have one less plate to distribute the weight onto. Traditional body armor may shatter, but the fragments are still kind of usable. They did manage to prove that a soldier with a bit of luck and dragonskin armor could potentially dive on a grenade and live to tell about it. The armor just doesn't stand up over continued fire.[/QUOTE]
I hate to quote discovery channel, but that guy from future weapons shot one 40 times with a range of ammunition and not a single bullet went through.
Clearly, that is a very good vest. If the problem was indeed one of reliability, I'm sure it can be worked out. Most defense products tend to get [B]better[/B] as they go on in time. I'm sure any issue could get worked out eventually.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21176076]I hate to quote discovery channel, but that guy from future weapons shot one 40 times with a range of ammunition and not a single bullet went through.
Clearly, that is a very good vest. If the problem was indeed one of reliability, I'm sure it can be worked out. Most defense products tend to get [B]better[/B] as they go on in time.[/QUOTE]
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Dragonskin is a scam.
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Imagine how heavy that is.
The entire point is that dragon skin weighs less and protects more. Also, you can't flex an armor plate, having a huge brick like that against your chest is going to be cumbersome. That tech is probably better suited for vehicle armor.
Overlapping armor plating is a good concept and should definitely be looked into more.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21176306]Imagine how heavy that is.[/QUOTE]
It isn't.
An Interceptor OTV with ballistic plates like those in the front and back weighs 16 lbs. That's NOTHING. Especially since it's going to be evenly distributed onto your center mass.
The US combat load is around 100 lbs total, yet your average soldier of average athletic build is still able to run around and engage in combat in a god damn desert.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21176306]The entire point is that dragon skin weighs less and protects more. Also, you can't flex an armor plate, having a huge brick like that against your chest is going to be cumbersome.[/QUOTE]
A marginal decrease in weight and slightly larger area of protection doesn't make up for the fragility and mediocre angular protection it offers.
Vests can shift around easily atop your torso, and in combat you don't need to be able to do fucking aerobics.
[QUOTE=Loen;21176388]It isn't.
An Interceptor OTV with ballistic plates like those in the front and back weighs 16 lbs. That's NOTHING. Especially since it's going to be evenly distributed onto your center mass.
The US combat load is around 100 lbs total, yet your average soldier is still able to run around and engage in combat.[/QUOTE]
Also, just because the maximum load is 100 LBS, doesn't mean it should be 100 LBS. The lighter and more flexible you are, the more effective you'll be.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21176463]Also, just because the maximum load is 100 LBS, doesn't mean it should be 100 LBS. The lighter and more flexible you are, the more effective you'll be.[/QUOTE]
100 lbs on [i]average.[/i] For [i]every[/i] soldier aside from those on guard or patrol.
In more extreme cases that can be up to 120 or even 130 lbs. Any more is really pushing it for anyone short of a complete body builder.
That lighter load and more flexibility is just brownie points.
[QUOTE=doonbugie;21168326]You can find it on Ebay. [img_thumb]http://blog1.ebates.com/ebates/ebay.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Actually you could :v:
[QUOTE=Loen;21176388]
A marginal decrease in weight and slightly larger area of protection doesn't make up for the fragility and mediocre angular protection it offers.
Vests can shift around easily atop your torso, and in combat you don't need to be able to do fucking aerobics.[/QUOTE]
First off, the concept is strong, if indeed it's true that dragon skin is prone to failure in combat situations (and there's a very good chance that's not the case) then it can easily be improved over time. Huge ceramic plates are not a very good investment because they'll just have to keep getting bigger and heavier as ammunition gets better. Though that remains true for scaling armor, it's more open to innovation than one big armor plate is.
In combat you do need to be flexible and quick ([I]need[/I] is not the best term, you [I]should[/I]). If you find yourself within 50 meters of an armed gunman (CQB) 1/4 of a second is going to make a [B]huge[/B] difference between dying and living. If he can turn around, lift his rifle and take aim faster than you can, he will shoot and kill you. It's as simple as that. If you have a vest that impedes your movement in even the slightest way, that split second can kill you.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21176640]First off, the concept is strong, if indeed it's true that dragon skin is prone to failure in combat situations (and there's a very good chance that's not the case) then it can easily be improved over time. Huge ceramic plates are not a very good investment because they'll just have to keep getting bigger and heavier as ammunition gets better. Though that remains true for scaling armor, it's more open to innovation than one big armor plate is.
In combat you do need to be flexible and quick ([I]need[/I] is not the best term, you [I]should[/I]). If you find yourself withing 50 meters of an armed gunman (CQB) 1/4 of a second is going to make a [B]huge[/B] difference between dying and living. If he can lift his rifle and take aim faster than you can, he will shoot and kill you. It's as simple as that. If you have a vest that impedes your movement in even the slightest way, that split second can kill you.[/QUOTE]
Serious improvements [i]are[/i] being made in soft armour and hard armour alike, but that's beside my point.
My [i]point[/i] is that dragonskin is a failure in the future development of protective equipment.
My [i]point[/i] is that modern armour provides sufficient protection for now and many years to come and doesn't impede movement past marginally. If anything, load bearing gear impedes movement alot more than armour does.
My [i]point[/i] is that you are ill informed. I'm helping out with that.
[QUOTE=Loen;21176776]Serious improvements [I]are[/I] being made in soft armour and hard armour alike, but that's beside my point.
My [I]point[/I] is that dragonskin is a failure in the future development of protective equipment.
My [I]point[/I] is that modern armour provides sufficient protection and doesn't impede movement past marginally. If anything, load bearing gear impedes movement more than armour does.[/QUOTE]
It's not a failure in the [B]future[/B] devlopment. [I]Even if[/I] it doesn't perform up to the United States standards, that doesn't mean that at some point in the enar future it won't be a lot better. The fact that the US military chose not to buy it is still quite questionable. Their reason for it were blurry and vague. I suppose if it only performs marginally better, they might not care; marginally better is not worth 300 million dollars.
But if I had to choose whether I'd want to have chunky plate armor, or flexible, lightweight scaling armor, I'd go for the scaling armor since it deteriorates knowhere near as fast, and I don't have to feel like I'mw alking around with bricks on my chest.
If you you are busting into an apartment room, and there is an armed gunman, the shootout may only last 2 seconds. When it comes down to time frames that short, normally marginal differences will make[I] big differences[/I].
When it comes down to it, if you're just sitting at some checkpoint all day, any firefight you might engage in.. you probably won't notice a difference bewteen scaling and plate armor. But if you're fighting indoors, where a split second can make the difference between living or dying, I'd rather stick with scaling armor knowing that it provides better coverage, and offers "marginally" better flexibility.
For your average grunt, plate armor will probably suffice just fine, but anybody who will be fighting CQB would be better off with scaling armor (provide that scaling armor technology gets some improvements)
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;21177028]It's not a failure in the [B]future[/B] devlopment. [I]Even if[/I] it doesn't perform up to the United States standards, that doesn't mean that at some point in the enar future it won't be a lot better. The fact that the US military chose not to buy it is still quite questionable. Their reason for it were blurry and vague. I suppose if it only performs marginally better, they might not care; marginally better is not worth 300 millions dollars.
But if I had to choose whether I'd want to have chunky plate armor, or flexible, lightweight scaling armor, I'd go for the scaling armor since it deteriorates knowhere near as fast, and I don't have to feel like I'mw alking around with bricks on my chest.
If you you are busting into an apartment room, and there is an armed gunman, the shootout may only last 2 seconds. When it comes down to time frames that short, normally marginal differences will make[I] big differences[/I].
When it comes down to it, if you're just sitting at some checkpoint all day, any firefight you might engage in.. you probably won't notice a difference bewteen scaling and plate armor. But if you're fighting indoors, where a split second can make the difference between living or dying, I'd rather stick with scaling armor knowing that it provides better coverage, and offers "marginally" better flexibility.
For your average grunt, plate armor will probably suffice just fine, but anybody who will be fighting CQB would be better off with scaling armor (provide that scaling armor technology gets some improvements)[/QUOTE]
We'll just have to wait and see.
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