Linux ist kaputt! German Foreign Office kills desktop Linux, hugs Windows XP
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[QUOTE=Strongbad;28247344]Your analogy, it fails.[/QUOTE]
yourself, kill it
[QUOTE=ThatDarnGrei;28247216]Why do places still insist on using 10 year old software.
7 is faster, more secure, and (in my personal opinion) better in every way.[/QUOTE]
I could possibly understand their decision to dump Linux (As great as it is, Windows is better supported) but I really cannot understand their decision to reinstall an OS that is months away from its end of life.
The amount of people sticking with XP (and in some cases downgrading to it after buying a new PC) is crazy, I cannot seem to recall this happening with any other Microsoft OS prior to XP. I actually seem to recall EVERYONE upgrading to XP as soon as possible when it came out.
I guess for office work XP is still...okay but I'm seeing the main complaint here on why we are still trying to use a now ten year old OS.
Then again, Windows 98 was still being used in office environments up until 2005.
Linux can be too technical for some people, hence why Linux/BSD/etc support services make money.
Windows is fine for people who don't want to get that technical, I'm not great with Linux but i know my way around things, install and configure software and such but some people have jobs to do and can't sit around fiddling with Linux all day -- fun though it may be.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28257481]Windows is fine for people who don't want to get that technical, I'm not great with Linux but i know my way around things, install and configure software and such but some people have jobs to do and can't sit around fiddling with Linux all day -- fun though it may be.[/QUOTE]
Users can fiddle around in Windows (and only do things work related), don't hear them complain at all.
Suddenly with Linux its a huge problem that they cant screw around with things they shouldn't be screwing around with.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28257481]Linux can be too technical for some people, hence why Linux/BSD/etc support services make money.
Windows is fine for people who don't want to get that technical, I'm not great with Linux but i know my way around things, install and configure software and such but some people have jobs to do and can't sit around fiddling with Linux all day -- fun though it may be.[/QUOTE]
There's not much fiddling you can do if you're not logged on as Root... so that argument is invalid. :colbert:
Linux is good for servers, not for office work computers.
The UI for distros that have one are all clunky and not very user friendly.
[QUOTE=demoguy08;28247404]Newsflash buddy, not everyone has the time or interest to learn an entirely new OS just because it's nerd factor +1. Reasons like "it's got better memory handling" doesn't matter to ordinary users.[/QUOTE]
Less use of human resources does.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qQtGI.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;28247286]......wow, OP, really?
We have civil war in Libya, missiles fired at Israel, New Zealand earthquakes, and this is news?[/QUOTE]
I didn't expect anything good coming from this poster anyways.
[editline]24th February 2011[/editline]
Also, I can understand the switch from linux. Generic end users have a hard time even navigating Windows.
But XP really? Its not like they can acquire any new keys, right? I thought MS dropped the product last year.
[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;28254208]Linux sounds good on paper, but when I was in high school they had one of the computer classes use Linux instead of Windows and everyone was having problems with Open Office and other little things with the OS.
Linux just isn't ready for office work yet.[/QUOTE]
The only thing which always happens again when you confront a person with Linux is, that they are already familiar with Windows and unwilling to learn the same again on Linux.
If everyone had use Linux instead, it would be the other way round.
[editline]24th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=s0beit;28257481]Linux can be too technical for some people, hence why Linux/BSD/etc support services make money.
Windows is fine for people who don't want to get that technical, I'm not great with Linux but i know my way around things, install and configure software and such but some people have jobs to do and can't sit around fiddling with Linux all day -- fun though it may be.[/QUOTE]
Even Windows is "too technical" for computer-noobs. If you compare Windows and Linux, both are same difficult/easy to a certain level. At some point, you can't go deeper in Windows but a lot of deeper in Linux. Sadly people refer to Linux's difficulties by those depths.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;28247062]
I guess the SysAdmins at that place got tired of listening to complaints about This or That program not being as efficient or "easy to use" as its[B] W*ndows [/B]counterpart...
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Alright this is getting weird. At first I thought it was just some obscure way of recognising copy pasted text but this hardly seems like that.
Random characters in posts replaced by asterisks.
Now I see it appearing at the same point in Windows twice in this thread. A conspiracy, no doubt.
GOD DAMN PEOPLE, What is the problem, all windowed OS's work pracicaly all the same. What is so dificult about Linux, Ubuntu is an apsolute dream to use, It has already connected to my router before the OS has fully booted and the loading times are amazing. There is nothing dificult about it.
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;28264948]GOD DAMN PEOPLE, What is the problem, all windowed OS's work pracicaly all the same. What is so dificult about Linux, Ubuntu is an apsolute dream to use, It has already connected to my router before the OS has fully booted and the loading times are amazing. There is nothing dificult about it.[/QUOTE]
Well you still need to run certain things through terminal, and let's all be honest, most forms of Linux aren't, well not [i]user friendly[/i], but just tend to have a steeper learning curve that most idiots don't feel like overcoming
[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;28264948]GOD DAMN PEOPLE, What is the problem, all windowed OS's work pracicaly all the same. What is so dificult about Linux, Ubuntu is an apsolute dream to use, It has already connected to my router before the OS has fully booted and the loading times are amazing. There is nothing dificult about it.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to all those braindead employees :/
Hey look I am a nerd who can use linux. Anyone who can't is a braindead moron.
[QUOTE=aVoN;28263863]Even Windows is "too technical" for computer-noobs. If you compare Windows and Linux, both are same difficult/easy to a certain level. At some point, you can't go deeper in Windows but a lot of deeper in Linux. Sadly people refer to Linux's difficulties by those depths.[/QUOTE]
It's sometimes hard to see things from an outsiders perspective sometimes, but linux really is not user friendly enough for office use.
IE, ubuntu pretty much bricks itself if you enable autologin on a standard installation because you "logged in without decrypting the drive". I fixed it pretty quick due to an SSH server I had running, but will the average user have one? Seriously doubt it.
Not surprising at all, Microsoft's proprietary document is great for locking people in to your platform.
[editline]25th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elspin;28266592]IE, ubuntu pretty much bricks itself if you enable autologin on a standard installation because you "logged in without decrypting the drive". I fixed it pretty quick due to an SSH server I had running, but will the average user have one? Seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]
No, but the average user shouldn't be installing and setting up their OS. That's the IT manager or vendor's job.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28265380]Hey look I am a nerd who can use linux. Anyone who can't is a braindead moron.[/QUOTE]
What are your parameters?
[QUOTE=Elspin;28247736]As a programmer, I find linux to be a really interesting operating system, but it is totally unsuited for a commercial environment. Productivity is part of how good a program (or operating system) is, and I hate it when crazies obsessed with linux don't realize this.
[/QUOTE]
Programming for Linux doesn't make me want to kill myself like Windows does.
As an example, I'm trying to solve a timing/synchronization issue and Windows is too shit to do it. You can't rely on system timing on Windows at all because it's not a real time OS so the only solution is "if you need a real time OS, use a real time OS". Even though I can't use anything like Linux because we have to support shitdows.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;28267290]Programming for Linux doesn't make me want to kill myself like Windows does.
As an example, I'm trying to solve a timing/synchronization issue and Windows is too shit to do it. You can't rely on system timing on Windows at all because it's not a real time OS so the only solution is "if you need a real time OS, use a real time OS". Even though I can't use anything like Linux because we have to support shitdows.[/QUOTE]
I also find the way Windows handles error messaging a little too complicated. For instance, I've had to wrap the error message function, not for abstraction, but to make life easier:
[cpp] void CFilesystem::logWindowsError(HRESULT error) const
{
LPTSTR errorMessage = 0;
FormatMessage(FORMAT_MESSAGE_FROM_SYSTEM | FORMAT_MESSAGE_ALLOCATE_BUFFER
| FORMAT_MESSAGE_IGNORE_INSERTS, 0, error, MAKELANGID(LANG_ENGLISH,
SUBLANG_ENGLISH_US), (LPTSTR)&errorMessage, 0, 0);
shared_ptr<ILogger> logger = engine.lock()->getLogger();
logger->log() << "WINDOWS ERROR (0x" << std::uppercase << std::hex
<< error << ")";
if(errorMessage != 0)
{
logger->log() << ": " << string(errorMessage);
}
else
{
// errorMessage includes a new line.
logger->log() << endl;
}
}[/cpp]
[QUOTE=Jookia;28267400]I also find the way Windows handles error messaging a little too complicated. For instance, I've had to wrap the error message function, not for abstraction, but to make life easier:
[cpp] void CFilesystem::logWindowsError(HRESULT error) const
{
LPTSTR errorMessage = 0;
FormatMessage(FORMAT_MESSAGE_FROM_SYSTEM | FORMAT_MESSAGE_ALLOCATE_BUFFER
| FORMAT_MESSAGE_IGNORE_INSERTS, 0, error, MAKELANGID(LANG_ENGLISH,
SUBLANG_ENGLISH_US), (LPTSTR)&errorMessage, 0, 0);
shared_ptr<ILogger> logger = engine.lock()->getLogger();
logger->log() << "WINDOWS ERROR (0x" << std::uppercase << std::hex
<< error << ")";
if(errorMessage != 0)
{
logger->log() << ": " << string(errorMessage);
}
else
{
// errorMessage includes a new line.
logger->log() << endl;
}
}[/cpp][/QUOTE]
What the hell is this. :psyduck:
[cpp]
#include <stdio.h>
#include <errno.h>
#include <string.h>
int main()
{
int *fd = open("file.in", O_RDONLY);
FILE *fd2 = fopen("log.out", "w");
char buf[2];
if(read(fd, buf, 1)==-1) {
fprintf(fd2, "%s\n", strerror(errno));
}
}
[/cpp]
Jesus Microsoft.
And yeah I mixed ANSI C with POSIX, sue me.
Some people love their cars, and spend their free time tuning the engine and polishing the body, and people just want to get to work and back.
:iiaca:
So they downgraded?
[QUOTE=Lazor;28247826]boo hoo you develop a product and have to worry about dumb users
get over it[/QUOTE]
This is why programmers are assholes to everyone else.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;28268157]Some people love their cars, and spend their free time tuning the engine and polishing the body, and people just want to get to work and back.
:iiaca:[/QUOTE]
Maybe you're into that whole snooze cruiser thing.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28265380]Hey look I am a nerd who can use linux. Anyone who can't is a braindead moron.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much every Linux thread ever (and yes, I've used Linux and I know how to use it). Not everyone cares if you an go deeper into the OS or not, if you are at work you just want the damn thing to work with as little hassle as possible.
Saying that someone is stupid for not using a certain OS is quite sad.
[QUOTE=Mandalorian;28265142]Well you still need to run certain things through terminal, and let's all be honest, most forms of Linux aren't, well not [i]user friendly[/i], but just tend to have a steeper learning curve that most idiots don't feel like overcoming[/QUOTE]
You actually don't need to run anything in terminal anymore. Just if you want to go beyond the GUI capabilities, and the GUI capabilities are similar if not even equal to those of Windows.
[editline]25th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elspin;28266592]It's sometimes hard to see things from an outsiders perspective sometimes, but linux really is not user friendly enough for office use.
IE, ubuntu pretty much bricks itself if you enable autologin on a standard installation because you "logged in without decrypting the drive". I fixed it pretty quick due to an SSH server I had running, but will the average user have one? Seriously doubt it.[/QUOTE]
That is a too special situation. Similar can happen on Windows Systems. If you just install e.g. Ubuntu on a PC and get the necessary software (which is btw. really easy), you can use the PC as easy as a Windows PC [b]if you are willing to learn[/b] - But note: You were willing to learn already when you were fresh with Windows. So "Linux is complicated" is just an excuse for "Sorry, I'm too lazy to learn using Linux like I already did with Windows"
[QUOTE=acds;28273843]Pretty much every Linux thread ever (and yes, I've used Linux and I know how to use it). Not everyone cares if you an go deeper into the OS or not, if you are at work you just want the damn thing to work with as little hassle as possible.
Saying that someone is stupid for not using a certain OS is quite sad.[/QUOTE]
Well then, if you know how to use Linux, you'll realize there are lots of distros to choose from; For noobs or Linux newcomers (Ubuntu, openSUSE, Linux Mint) and for those who want to earn geek points (Gentoo).
I'mma take a wild stab in the dark and say they installed some noob-friendly distro like Ubuntu, then the SysAdmins took the trouble of dumbing it down [i]even more[/i], to the point their employees should have been able to use those workstations with their eyes closed, but they started bitching at how "they just don't understand it" or "they don't know where the office apps are".
[editline]25th February 2011[/editline]
BTW, in case you didn't notice, I kinda hate computer illiterate people, specially nowadays where [u]everything[/u] is done through cellphones/computers... one just can't afford to NOT know how to use a computer today.
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