3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49940773]I think we could see some states stick together like New Jersey, New York and some other east coast states. I could see them standing up and saying something like "We're the Republic of New England now."
Of course that's unlikely, I doubt Trump could fuck the country up so bad it fractures again.[/QUOTE]
South Jersey would secede from NJ if we through our lot in with NY
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940787]frankly if you/anyone else "dislike Clinton" reexamine why that's the case and be [I]really really[/I] sure you haven't just fallen prey to the narrative that's been built around her
~Benghazi~
~Emails~
food for thought, if she were truly that bad, wouldn't the massive machine built over the past near-decade to take her down found something BETTER than what they have[/QUOTE]
I love how anyone who is against clinton has just "fallen prey to the evil GOP narrative" instead of having looked at the facts and realzing that she can't be trusted.
She deleted half of the emails on that server before handing the rest over the FBI, half of them the FBI never got to see because Clinton decided for herself, while under investigation, what was worth keeping. Not to mention I'm against political dynasties and think that spouses and direct relatives of former presidents should not be allowed to hold office.
[QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;49940621]As shitty as Trump is, I don't think he's going to get into office and immediately break out the nukes[/QUOTE]
Of course not :v:
I'm making a big point as to why it's ridiculous to be a Salty BernieBro to vote for Trump just because to spite Clinton, despite Trump being worse.
Devil's advocate:
Plus side to Trump winning: Congress would finally agree on something: Trump is an asshat.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49940806]I think people appreciate Sanders because the guy is basically above reproach. You can't really go after him from any angle because he has been doing what he viewed as morally and politically appropriate for decades. You can't even hit him with flip flopping arguments because he held popular progressive values long before they were even popular.
It isn't necessarily about having him get the things done that he wants to get done, it is about the face of our country. Sanders says a lot about who we are as a people.[/QUOTE]
I totally understand why people want him, I really do, but there are a lot of people who talk as though he is some sort of political messiah.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49940806]I think people appreciate Sanders because the guy is basically above reproach. You can't really go after him from any angle because he has been doing what he viewed as morally and politically appropriate for decades. You can't even hit him with flip flopping arguments because he held popular progressive values long before they were even popular.
It isn't necessarily about having him get the things done that he wants to get done, it is about the face of our country. Sanders says a lot about who we are as a people.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and the fact that he [i]wasn't[/i] elected.
Hey, I'm one to talk. My country elected a front page picture.
[QUOTE=rilez;49940785]Saying that America is fucked under Clinton or Trump is pretty dumb, IMO.
I don't like either of them but honestly, they're status quo. And while I'm being honest... Trump is more palatable than Cruz[/QUOTE]
I think if there's anybody that could genuinely fuck things up, it's Trump. As much as I detest Clinton on principle, she's the "safe" bet. Trump is a wildcard (although I agree, I'd rather have Trump than any of the other GOP candidates but.. That's kinda like saying you'd rather have your dick cut off than your head).
[QUOTE=person11;49940622]i dont know what trump would do
im just saying it is not a good sign, and that i dont want to find out what he would do[/QUOTE]
Again, another reason why I am voting for Hiliary, at least we have a grasp at what she wants to do when she get's in, she's going to leave Obama's stuff alone, keep the nation Liberal and Democratic, and keep things smooth sailing for 4-maybe 8 years.
Trump is too unpredictable.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940787]frankly if you/anyone else "dislike Clinton" reexamine why that's the case and be [I]really really[/I] sure you haven't just fallen prey to the narrative that's been built around her
~Benghazi~
~Emails~
food for thought, if she were truly that bad, wouldn't the massive machine built over the past near-decade to take her down found something BETTER than what they have[/QUOTE]
All I have to do is look at her past like the vote for the Iraq war, support for the terrible trade deals we're in which has taken hundreds of thousands of jobs from our citizens, her fight against Unions as a Walmart board member, her reluctance to support same sex marriage until recently to avoid backlash since it wasn't popular.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49940034]Take this test here
[URL]https://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz[/URL]
You'll be surprised how similar Hillary and Bernie are when it comes to many issues.[/QUOTE]
The issue is that hillary is a snake that lies all the time so it's completely impossible to tell what political views she will actually push once in-office.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49940636]All great empires die eventually, this is America's turn now. Anyone wanna predict which states are gonna go to which new world power?[/QUOTE]
You wanna burn this place to the ground because the old geezer lost and you don't want Clinton in.
Also we're not a fucking empire :v:.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49940806]I think people appreciate Sanders because the guy is basically above reproach. You can't really go after him from any angle because he has been doing what he viewed as morally and politically appropriate for decades. You can't even hit him with flip flopping arguments because he held popular progressive values long before they were even popular.
It isn't necessarily about having him get the things done that he wants to get done, it is about the face of our country. Sanders says a lot about who we are as a people.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case then it's hilarious that any Sanders supporters are switching to Trump, it's hard to imagine a worse face of America.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940819]I hope Sanders makes good on his promise to stick it through until the convention, he's an important voice in this primary and always has been[/QUOTE]
Once it become so obvious that he is going to lose that even his Campaign can't deny it I have a feeling the cash end of the deal is going to start getting a little low.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49940844]You wanna burn this place to the ground because the old geezer lost and you don't want Clinton in.
Also we're not a fucking empire :v:.[/QUOTE]
We're kind of an empire...
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940787]frankly if you/anyone else "dislike Clinton" reexamine why that's the case and be [I]really really[/I] sure you haven't just fallen prey to the narrative that's been built around her
~Benghazi~
~Emails~
food for thought, if she were truly that bad, wouldn't the massive machine built over the past near-decade to take her down found something BETTER than what they have[/QUOTE]
Haha lol if I put serious issues between squigglies they just go away! Hillary Hillary #ImWithHer! Yeah dude, let's disregard her letting people die for the sake of PR and being so incompetent that she can't handle classified and confidential data properly! No big deal right? Maybe when she's president we can set her up with a Gmail with 2-factor authentication so that the nuclear launch codes are a little more secure!
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940787]frankly if you/anyone else "dislike Clinton" reexamine why that's the case and be [I]really really[/I] sure you haven't just fallen prey to the narrative that's been built around her
~Benghazi~
~Emails~
food for thought, if she were truly that bad, wouldn't the massive machine built over the past near-decade to take her down found something BETTER than what they have[/QUOTE]
No, I think that narrative is dumb. I don't consider her a criminal.
I just think she's dishonest. And she's certainly not the only one, but it still makes me uncomfortable.
I voted party line for Obama, and I'm still considering doing it this year. I wouldn't feel good about it though
It's looking somewhat close for Sanders in Illinois and Missouri, but the other states seem to be Hillary's with the possible and very very very unlikely exception of NC.
RIP Bernie, you were too pure a candidate for the USA.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49940763]I really hate to tell some of you guys, but shit, even if Sanders got elected its very, [B]very[/B], unlikely he would get almost any of the things he has promised done. Obama struggled to get moderate reform passed through congress. Can you imagine the resistance Sanders would face? I think one of the reasons Hilary is winning is that most people see this.
And I mean really, you guys wonder why Sander supporters have a sort of reputation online. Its because you guys act like he is the second coming of Christ.[/QUOTE]
That's because Obama had the same kind of support from us in 2008 that Sanders does now, and he completely wasted it.
He could get what he's promised done if he would use us. Imagine us as his own personal army, so to speak. I don't mean that in any mean or military sense, I mean it in that there's millions of us who are honest and loyal supporters of his who would follow him wherever he went, and we'd do whatever he wanted us to do. A million man march on Washington for student loan and debt relief? It could easily be organized. Mass protests and marches for universal healthcare? Absolutely.
Sanders like Obama has a rare ability to keep momentum and energy among his followers going at a very high level; Obama didn't keep that momentum going once he became president during his first term, however, and that was really a shame, because he could have done more with us, and we would gladly have followed him. Sanders is our newest opportunity. How many more candidates like this do you think we're going to get? They're rare, and that's a shame.
You're being intentionally melodramatic by claiming we see him as the "second coming of Christ". That's not it at all. We're just intelligent enough to see and realize that we've got an extraordinary man and statesman here running for the presidency with a kind of honest integrity which very few other people have, and he also has a solid record of getting shit done. Why would you waste that? What sense does that make?
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;49940669]are you an idiot
are you one of those psychos who secretly wants a zombie apocalypse because you think anarchy is cool
the fall of nations is not some romantic thing, you and your family could very likely starve or be killed if such a thing were to happen[/QUOTE]
Fucking this this this!
Revolution isn't a fun thing like vidya games. I'm a fat unathletic nerd, if shit goes down I'm taking my family to Canada as refugees to be safe. Period.
[editline]15th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=rilez;49940686]The real question is, what I should do with my vote.
I support Clinton on some issues, but I dislike her immensely. I'm a registered Democrat who lives in NY, so I can't vote third party.
Hmm.[/QUOTE]
Just go Clinton, she's not perfect, but she is a safe bet.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49940814]I know, still fun to think about though[/QUOTE]
I know - I actually just regurgitated the setting for a book I once tried to write. That damn thing turned out to be annoyingly prescient - I managed to predict Yemen, Syria and Ukraine, all the way back in 2010 or so. Pity I can't take credit for any of those predictions, since I realized the character drama was boring and shelved it. (The book had Hillary as President up to 2020, then a fictional one who reigned over the downfall - let's see if I called it again)
Speaking of fun things to think about:
What happens if, between the primaries and the general election, both Hillary and Trump get thrown in jail? I don't think that constitutionally disqualifies them, but I'd expect the parties would try to backtrack - particularly the Republicans, because the party proper actually hates him. Would they turn towards the runners-up from the primaries? Just forfeit it to third parties?
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940840]why don't you substantiate this bullshit since first and foremost, she's not personally under investigation, nor has/will she be indicted[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-fbi-pulls-deleted-emails-from-hillary-clintons-server/[/url]
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/why-did-hillary-clinton-delete-about-30000-emails-2015-3[/url]
30,000 emails just gone, because she said they were unimportant, after having been asked to hand emails over.
She was subpeoned for her emails.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;49940831]I totally understand why people want him, I really do, but there are a lot of people who talk as though he is some sort of political messiah.[/QUOTE]
Largely because he is rare. Having a professional federal politician that has dodged corporate influence for decades and held onto his progressive values throughout it, is rare. People hold him in high regard because we aren't likely going to see another Sanders for some time. He is an opportunity for a massive portion of the young population to gain the voice that they have previously been denied in politics.
In a very real sense, he[B] is[/B] something of a [I]literal [/I]political messiah. He offers some measure of power over the environment in which the younger crowd resides. A power which was previously denied to them by the stupidly high turnout rates of the older population.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;49940750]or hows about we not vote for criminals
i know im going all in on trump now that the bernster's run is crippled, which is a shame but im not down with clinton being president period
at least trump has agreeable health care ideas, the walls never gonna get built. We're never gonna ban muslims or even humor the idea. Looking at his -actually possible- ideas, i support his shit p. decently[/QUOTE]
He's still gonna make us into the laughing stock of the world. Again.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;49940865]
Speaking of fun things to think about:
What happens if, between the primaries and the general election, both Hillary and Trump get thrown in jail? I don't think that constitutionally disqualifies them, but I'd expect the parties would try to backtrack - particularly the Republicans, because the party proper actually hates him. Would they turn towards the runners-up from the primaries? Just forfeit it to third parties?[/QUOTE]
John Kasich will be the nominee for the republicans
and for the democrats Martin O'Malley will be brought back from the dead
[QUOTE=srobins;49940851]Haha lol if I put serious issues between squigglies they just go away! Hillary Hillary #ImWithHer! Yeah dude, let's disregard her letting people die for the sake of PR and being so incompetent that she can't handle classified and confidential data properly! No big deal right? Maybe when she's president we can set her up with a Gmail with 2-factor authentication so that the nuclear launch codes are a little more secure![/QUOTE]
Do tell how she let people die for pr?
[QUOTE=GunFox;49940875]Largely because he is rare. Having a professional federal politician that has dodged corporate influence for decades and held onto his progressive values throughout it, is rare. People hold him in high regard because we aren't likely going to see another Sanders for some time. He is an opportunity for a massive portion of the young population to gain the voice that they have previously been denied in politics.
In a very real sense, he[B] is[/B] something of a [I]literal [/I]political messiah. He offers some measure of power over the environment in which the younger crowd resides. A power which was previously denied to them by the stupidly high turnout rates of the older population.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call the older population turnout stupidly high.
Our youth turnout is just stupidly low because we're uninspired and see through the puppet show that is the Democrats and Republican parties because we aren't so easily fooled like our parents and grandparents.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49940888]I wouldn't call the older population turnout stupidly high.
Our youth turnout is just stupidly low because we're uninspired and see through the puppet show that is the Democrats and Republican parties because we aren't so easily fooled like our parents and grandparents.[/QUOTE]
This comes off as really fucking pretentious.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49940878]He's still gonna make us into the laughing stock of the world. Again.[/QUOTE]
Aren't we already this?
[QUOTE=Nevermind.;49940897]This comes off as really fucking pretentious.[/QUOTE]
It sounds pretentious but it's true in a sense
[editline]15th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Medevila;49940901]what do Sanders supporters think about him as VP on her ticket
or is Trump still a preferable alternative to a reasonably more conservative Democratic candidate[/QUOTE]
If Kasich became the nominee for the republicans I would definately vote for him over Hillary
Otherwise, I'm voting Hillary
[QUOTE=CatFodder;49940845]If that's the case then it's hilarious that any Sanders supporters are switching to Trump, it's hard to imagine a worse face of America.[/QUOTE]
It is an understandable reaction. Not one I agree with, but I understand it.
They don't generally seem to want to vote for Trump because they like him, they want to vote for Trump in order to intentionally fuck up a system that has denied them any sort of Democratic authority. If you have ever played the card game hearts, they are attempting to shoot the moon. They want to go so deep into the rabbit hole that they come out the other side.
The thing is that most people, probably accurately, recognize that the rabbit hole is deeper, darker, and far more frightening than the Bern-> Trump supporters realize.
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