3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=joshuadim;49940981]The VP is important regarding the senate? The VP stops deadlocks and presides over senate debates[/QUOTE]
he's only ever allowed to cast a vote if its an even 50/50 which it never is because its almost unheard of to have all the senators present for a vote, and as for presiding over the senate, that it, he sits there if he wants to. behind the scenes he can work to get shit passed, but there's also the whips and party bosses to do that, mainly he's the president's voice in the senate and thats about it
also his other duty is to call the state of the union address
Sanders as Vice President won't happen. Why would a corporate shill like Hilary pick someone who's against the interests of the corporations that endorse her? Why would Sanders let himself be used as a puppet leader?
I know for a fact that I will not let Hilary use Sanders as her ticket to get me to vote for her. I will not let that bitch who cheats and lies get the satisfaction of using me in her game to gain power to protect her fucking corrupt interests.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49940981]The VP is important regarding the senate? The VP stops deadlocks and presides over senate debates[/QUOTE]
that's the thing I was trying to remember, I thought VPs had something important when it came to senate. either way, I doubt clinton would select bernie as her vp but I have been extremely wrong before about anything, so it could be a extremely minor possibility she picks him
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49940971]How? Do we have colonies and shit? No? Then we're not some evil empire.
I'm tired of hearing that crap.[/QUOTE]
We have military bases all over the world and have conquered all of north america, (If you are talking about the west as an empire), or atleast most of it if you are talking just america proper.
Does an empire no longer count as such if it stabilizes its borders? If Rome stuck around and didn't fall, but stayed the same size until now, would it no longer be an empire?
We stick our noses in just about everything and we enforce our might through bombs and heavy economic sanctions that few other countries can match. Imperialism doesn't forever require a bunch of lined up soldiers in silly uniforms declaring other nations as part of the commonwealth. There are other more subtler forms.
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You can link twitter posts with media tags.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;49940999]that's the thing I was trying to remember, I thought VPs had something important when it came to senate. either way, I doubt clinton would select bernie as her vp but I have been extremely wrong before about anything, so it could be a extremely minor possibility she picks him[/QUOTE]
nope, just a butt for a seat
[quote]Except for this tie-breaking role, the Standing Rules of the Senate vest no significant responsibilities in the vice president. Rule XIX, which governs debate, does not authorize the vice president to participate in debate, and grants only to members of the Senate (and, upon appropriate notice, former presidents of the United States) the privilege of addressing the Senate, without granting a similar privilege to the sitting vice president.[/quote]
senate rules (which the senate makes) have forbid the VP from doing anything, now the constitutionality of that could some day be called into question, but as it stands, the VP has no formal duty other than, he can sit in the tall chair if he stays quiet, cast a vote on the unlikely chance that its 50/50 tie, and call the state of the union address
oh he also gets to count the electoral college ballots every 4 years
[QUOTE=GunFox;49940909]It is an understandable reaction. Not one I agree with, but I understand it.
They don't generally seem to want to vote for Trump because they like him, they want to vote for Trump in order to intentionally fuck up a system that has denied them any sort of Democratic authority. If you have ever played the card game hearts, they are attempting to shoot the moon. They want to go so deep into the rabbit hole that they come out the other side.
The thing is that most people, probably accurately, recognize that the rabbit hole is deeper, darker, and far more frightening than the Bern-> Trump supporters realize.[/QUOTE]
I understand it's frightening. Again, my dad's side of the family is from the Middle East (Iran, to be exact). They came here to the United States just before the shah abdicated and the revolution fucked everything up. Some of them were stuck there during the turmoil, and three of my uncles didn't have an opportunity to escape to the United States until years later because they were drafted during the war with Iraq. Was I there personally? No. Have I heard the stories? Yeah: the Basij running around shooting people, the repression and executions that took place on the homefront, the denunciations and imprisonment of dissenters, kids being drafted to fight and clear minefields, old men voluntarily sacrificing themselves as militia fighters, etc. Actually, the war was worse than the revolution was.
Here's the thing about revolutions, as history teaches us: they're the products of what the people are, and the outcome depends on those same people. It can end well, like the American Revolution did, it can lead to periods of turmoil and eventually end well, like the French Revolution did, or it can just lead to a lot of problems and a new political system that sucks worse than its predecessor did, like the Iranian Revolution. That all depends on what the people choose to do, what they want, and what they feel they need. Whether or not it's successful depends on them, whether or not the outcome is pleasant or terrifying depends on them, etc.
If it were to happen, then that's that. It'll be what it'll be, and it'll amount to whatever it does in the end: good or bad, beneficial or degradational, some combination thereof, etc. But we need to do something about the way things are going, because this system just isn't working. The political system isn't, the economic system isn't, the educational system isn't... a lot of us have been left feeling desperate. We just don't care what happens so long as something happens. Something is a start at least. The majority want to worry about the rest later when the time comes, although personally, I think it better if we start considering what we want to become afterwards now rather than later. Otherwise, that's where you run into the risk of something like what happened in Iran happening here. Or France at the end of the 18th century, for that matter.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49941003]We have military bases all over the world and have conquered all of north america, (If you are talking about the west as an empire), or atleast most of it if you are talking just america proper.
Does an empire no longer count as such if it stabilizes its borders? If Rome stuck around and didn't fall, but stayed the same size until now, would it no longer be an empire?
We stick our noses in just about everything and we enforce our might through bombs and heavy economic sanctions that few other countries can match. Imperialism doesn't forever require a bunch of lined up soldiers in silly uniforms declaring other nations as part of the commonwealth. There are other more subtler forms.[/QUOTE]
We don't stick our noses, other nations just call on us becuase we're the big brother with the big toys.
Fun fact: When Russia snaps and goes to WWIII, Britan, France, Poland, etc won't bravely get together to kick ass, they'll all cry to us since we have the bigger army.
We are the World Police, and guess what, we fucking hate it.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49940998]Sanders as Vice President won't happen. Why would a corporate shill like Hilary pick someone who's against the interests of the corporations that endorse her? Why would Sanders let himself be used as a puppet leader?
I know for a fact that I will not let Hilary use Sanders as her ticket to get me to vote for her. I will not let that bitch who cheats and lies get the satisfaction of using me in her game to gain power to protect her fucking corrupt interests.[/QUOTE]
Why do people on this forum insist on calling Hillary a bitch so often?
I'm referring to Nato by the way.
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[QUOTE=rilez;49941017]You can link twitter posts with media tags.[/QUOTE]
Thanks!
[QUOTE=sb27;49941026]Why do people on this forum insist on calling Hillary a bitch so often?[/QUOTE]
same reason why they insist on calling her a lying cheating criminal, because its the internet.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941026]Why do people on this forum insist on calling Hillary a bitch so often?[/QUOTE]
Because she is one. Next question.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941026]Why do people on this forum insist on calling Hillary a bitch so often?[/QUOTE]
Because it's obvious Sanders isn't going to win and the salt is pouring in.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;49941037]Because she is one. Next question.[/QUOTE]
Why not call her out for what she apparently is, corrupt and a flip-flopper, rather than resorting to misogynistic insults? The point is, if she were a man, no one would be calling her a bitch. It seems the reason people are calling her a bitch is because she's a woman.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49941022]We don't stick our noses, other nations just call on us becuase we're the big brother with the big toys.
Fun fact: When Russia snaps and goes to WWIII, Britan, France, Poland, etc won't bravely get together to kick ass, they'll all cry to us since we have the bigger army.
We are the World Police, and guess what, we fucking hate it.[/QUOTE]
You do stick your noses into ALL KINDS of nations, for better or worse, and like it or not, you/we are an empire. Our borders end where sanctions begin. Russia is also an empire, how about that?
He who can gobble up the most "democratic" soil is the winner. See a region of the world you don't like? Knock out its government and institute a puppet. If they cooperate they get absorbed in the system, if they don't they get bombed to hell and, surprise surprise, some other asshole takes over.
Just because you aren't trying to take over mexico's land doesn't disqualify you from being an empire. You can fucking hate it all you want.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49941035]same reason why they insist on calling her a lying cheating criminal, because its the internet.[/QUOTE]
Rather because she's a cheating lying criminal who is getting a free pass.
Corporate shill vs Business mogul, can't wait for this upcoming election.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941026]Why do people on this forum insist on calling Hillary a bitch so often?[/QUOTE]Probably because they think she's a bitch.
That was a tough one.
[QUOTE]The point is, if she were a man, no one would be calling her a bitch. It seems the reason people are calling her a bitch is because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
Good thinking, bud. An insult typically reserved for women is being used on a woman. Surprising. Let's complain about how people call Trump a dick now.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941051]Why not call her out for what she apparently is, corrupt and a flip-flipper, rather than resorting to misogynistic insults? The point is, if she were a man, no one would be calling her a bitch. It seems the reason people are calling her a bitch is because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
We've already done that, and nothing happened. "Well why is she a corrupt flip-flopper?" And next we explained that, and still nothing happened. We call her a bitch because she is one, just as Trump is a bastard. Are you implying there's sexism going on here or something?
[QUOTE=Charades;49941055]Rather because she's a cheating lying criminal who is getting a free pass.
Corporate shill vs Business mogul, can't wait for this upcoming election.[/QUOTE]
shilley vs shiller
tough call when you put it that way.
still at least clinton stands for the status quo, i'd rather have bernie but i'm not going to let trump get in
[QUOTE=Govna;49941021]I understand it's frightening. Again, my dad's side of the family is from the Middle East (Iran, to be exact). They came here to the United States just before the shah abdicated and the revolution fucked everything up. Some of them were stuck there during the turmoil, and three of my uncles didn't have an opportunity to escape to the United States until years later because they were drafted during the war with Iraq. Was I there personally? No. Have I heard the stories? Yeah: the Basij running around shooting people, the repression and executions that took place on the homefront, the denunciations and imprisonment of dissenters, kids being drafted to fight and clear minefields, old men voluntarily sacrificing themselves as militia fighters, etc. Actually, the war was worse than the revolution was.
Here's the thing about revolutions, as history teaches us: they're the products of what the people are, and the outcome depends on those same people. It can end well, like the American Revolution did, it can lead to periods of turmoil and eventually end well, like the French Revolution did, or it can just lead to a lot of problems and a new political system that sucks worse than its predecessor did, like the Iranian Revolution. That all depends on what the people choose to do, what they want, and what they feel they need. Whether or not it's successful depends on them, whether or not the outcome is pleasant or terrifying depends on them, etc.
If it were to happen, then that's that. It'll be what it'll be, and it'll amount to whatever it does in the end: good or bad, beneficial or degradational, some combination thereof, etc. But we need to do something about the way things are going, because this system just isn't working. The political system isn't, the economic system isn't, the educational system isn't... a lot of us have been left feeling desperate. We just don't care what happens so long as something happens. Something is a start at least. The majority want to worry about the rest later when the time comes, although personally, I think it better if we start considering what we want to become afterwards now rather than later. Otherwise, that's where you run into the risk of something like what happened in Iran happening here. Or France at the end of the 18th century, for that matter.[/QUOTE]
The revolutions that do well are organized ahead of the actual turmoil. If you destroy the system and create a power vacuum, then the faction that was most powerful prior to the fall of the government, likely gains complete authority.
In the middle east it is religion. ISIS filled that power vacuum when no other faction was organized enough to do so.
In the US it is capitalism. Corporations will benefit from turmoil in the long run.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941051]Why not call her out for what she apparently is, corrupt and a flip-flopper, rather than resorting to misogynistic insults? The point is, if she were a man, no one would be calling her a bitch. It seems the reason people are calling her a bitch is because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
If someone called me a dick I wouldn't think it was misandrist, but hey, different strokes.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49941075]The revolutions that do well are organized ahead of the actual turmoil. If you destroy the system and create a power vacuum, then the faction that was most powerful prior to the fall of the government, likely gains complete authority.
In the middle east it is religion. ISIS filled that power vacuum when no other faction was organized enough to do so.
In the US it is capitalism. Corporations will benefit from turmoil in the long run.[/QUOTE]
How do you reckon that? About the corporations, I mean. Seems to me like they have as much to lose here as any of the rest of us do, especially the ones that are American. Also, if Sanders' campaign is any indicator, in spite of all those who aren't thinking ahead, there's plenty of us that are.
[QUOTE=Govna;49941070]We've already done that, and nothing happened. "Well why is she a corrupt flip-flopper?" And next we explained that, and still nothing happened. We call her a bitch because she is one, just as Trump is a bastard. Are you implying there's sexism going on here or something?[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't rule out sexism going on here. I've seen another poster call her both a bitch and a cunt within a single post.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941086]I wouldn't rule out sexism going on here. I've seen another poster call her both a bitch and a cunt within a single post.[/QUOTE]
Can't speak for that person, but that's not what's been going on with me personally.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941086]I wouldn't rule out sexism going on here. I've seen another poster call her both a bitch and a cunt within a single post.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, she is quite the bitchy cunt.
[QUOTE=sb27;49941051]Why not call her out for what she apparently is, corrupt and a flip-flopper, rather than resorting to misogynistic insults? The point is, if she were a man, no one would be calling her a bitch. It seems the reason people are calling her a bitch is because she's a woman.[/QUOTE]
No, they would be calling him an asshole, a douchebag, or any other insult they could think of as well as accusing him of being a liar.
Misogyny isn't the root cause of all hate directed towards women, you know.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49941057]case and point
do tell what you have uncovered that the congressional hearings/conservative crusades didn't[/QUOTE]
You don't need congressional hearings to see that she has vehemently failed at every political position she's been in, more importantly the closest to being President, Secretary of Sate. She has escaped breaking the law based on namesake alone when there are plenty of cases (Petraeus especially, who did less than she did) that should have ended with her indictment.
At least that's my two cents, her dealings with Wall Street are clear as day and there is no fabrication to giving her the title "Corporate Shill".
I think it takes more effort defending her actions than promoting what she's done in the past.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49941057]do tell what you have uncovered that the congressional hearings/conservative crusades didn't[/QUOTE]
The investigation into the email thing is still ongoing.
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