• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=sb27;49941086]I wouldn't rule out sexism going on here. I've seen another poster call her both a bitch and a cunt within a single post.[/QUOTE]It's probably those rampaging Bernie bros, sister. Their sexism knows no bounds!
[QUOTE=Govna;49941089]Can't speak for that person, but that's not what's been going on with me personally.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=sb27;49941086]I wouldn't rule out sexism going on here. I've seen another poster call her both a bitch and a cunt within a single post.[/QUOTE] You realize that needn't have necessarily anything to do with the fact that she's a woman and more with the fact that she's an asshole? In fact, yeah, there we go: Asshole - A Gender neutral word that can describe someone you dislike for legitimate reasons (Perhaps lying for one). The same word, if for a woman would be bitch or cunt, for a guy it would be a chode or a dick. I feel like this might be like getting upset over someone being called a fireman when he is a guy, or a firewoman when she is a woman because there is a gender neutral alternative.
[QUOTE=Medevila;49941116]it's not a criminal investigation[/QUOTE] it should be.
Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] Name recognition.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] Becaues she isn't a warmongering fascist like Trump is.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] First woman president. Thinking she's the safe bet. Name-sake. Powerful democratic family.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] Most people really dont care about politics and vote for the most middle of the road candidate with the biggest name recognition, at least for the democratic side. Trump is notable because he's much farther right than normal presidential candidates but he has enough name recognition to make it (also republicans are crazy)
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] "Here is X. X has a very recognizable name. X has lots of experience. X is a 'historic' choice. Here is Y. Y is an old person. Y will do stuff, maybe? I pick X." ^ About half of america is voting like this.
But does the average American not know that she is full of shit? Why would you not be extra wary when she is an established career politician. Shouldn't a politician's track record matter? [media]https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/708776725644189697[/media] A comment like that, how, just how is that even allowed. She should be raked over hot coals on every news network.
[QUOTE=Govna;49941085]How do you reckon that? About the corporations, I mean. Seems to me like they have as much to lose here as any of the rest of us do, especially the ones that are American. Also, if Sanders' campaign is any indicator, in spite of all those who aren't thinking ahead, there's plenty of us that are.[/QUOTE] Because in the absence of a central authority, who wields the most power? By the time a movement is organized, the factions that were organized to begin with, have already taken moves to gain control.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;49941134]Becaues she isn't a warmongering fascist like Trump is.[/QUOTE] We would probably be invading Iran instead of having a peaceful deal with them if Hillary had her way. Her support for Israel is ridiculously.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49941112]The investigation into the email thing is still ongoing.[/QUOTE] You have nothing other than going off the hot smear air that's been almost 10 years in the making. Even I, with Medevila mentioning it, am beginning to think alot of the Anti-Hiliary thing is mostly hot air trying to keep a Woman out of the Oval. Which is actual Sexism, a legit, sensible, worrying sexism :v:.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49941187]Because in the absence of a central authority, who wields the most power? By the time a movement is organized, the factions that were organized to begin with, have already taken moves to gain control.[/QUOTE] A legit collapse would have the military come out top touting the constitution.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] Because she guarantee'd keeping the Obama Administration going, including all the good policies, as well as just being a mediocre democratic president, all of which adds up to a smooth quiet 4 years, as opposed to the general filth that is Donald Trump and his unpredictability possible causing a shit ton of strife in the country. I don't favor Hiliary, but she's a safe pick over Trump.
Oh for Christ's sake. Looks like this might be the first time Kansas will let us down as a test of who wins the nomination.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49941198]A legit collapse would have the military come out top touting the constitution.[/QUOTE] It is generally difficult to have the military operate as a single entity. By design, our civilian leader is the only one with supreme military authority. The next step down immediately separates the branches. So you might wind up with in fighting between the branches of the military, but a unified military leader would generally be unlikely.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49941196]You have nothing other than going off the hot smear air that's been almost 10 years in the making. Even I, with Medevila mentioning it, am beginning to think alot of the Anti-Hiliary thing is mostly hot air trying to keep a Woman out of the Oval. Which is actual Sexism, a legit, sensible, worrying sexism :v:.[/QUOTE] The media didn't hold a gun to her and make her change her opinion left and right over her entire political history. The media didn't make her delete thousands of emails she was ordered to turn over. I couldn't give a shit what gender any of the candidates are; that's a meaningless metric in the same way age or skin color is. I care about a person's history and their policies. Hillary's history is awful and it calls her current policies into serious question.
I want trump to win because I am genuinely interested what colors he will turn as he faces the pressure. My guess is that super dim violet white that some grannies have.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49941210]The media didn't hold a gun to her and make her change her opinion left and right over her entire political history. The media didn't make her delete thousands of emails she was ordered to turn over. I couldn't give a shit what gender any of the candidates are; that's a meaningless metric in the same way age or skin color is. I care about a person's history and their policies. Hillary's history is awful and it calls her current policies into serious question.[/QUOTE] No, you don't understand: You're a sexist for wanting to prevent a woman from getting into the Presidency even though why you don't want her there has nothing to do with her gender. It's just you and the Patriarchy trying to keep women down.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49941210]The media didn't hold a gun to her and make her change her opinion left and right over her entire political history. The media didn't make her delete thousands of emails she was ordered to turn over. I couldn't give a shit what gender any of the candidates are; that's a meaningless metric in the same way age or skin color is. I care about a person's history and their policies. Hillary's history is awful and it calls her current policies into serious question.[/QUOTE] But you're ignoring the part where people are genuinely wanting to vote for the WORSE option just because Bernie Bernt out. At this point all that should matter is voting for the person that's legit best for the country for four years. And for me and others that's Clinton simply because she'll just be Obama's unofficial third term.
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;49941125]Can an American explain to me why anyone votes for Hillary? I understand that some might find Sanders too extreme, but Hillary has been lying throughout the campaign. Why would you ever vote for someone like that?[/QUOTE] The two-party system (which is an inevitable result of our basic form of democracy) means that both parties can be better thought of as coalitions of sub-parties. Some of these are single-issue subparties - the Democrats have the marijuana and income-equality blocs, while the Republicans have the abortion and gun-rights blocs. Some of them are ideological. The Democrats have the ideological liberals and the ideological socialists. The Republicans have the ideological conservatives and the ideological fundamentalists. Some of them are minority groups. The Democrats have the black vote, the Republicans have the rural vote. You can think of all of these as transactional relationships. The pure ideological socialists don't give a fuck either way about marijuana or blacks, but by banding together, they stand a better chance of success. Same for Republicans - the pure second-amendment voters don't give a fuck about farmers or lower taxes, but by building a coalition, they all have better odds of getting a candidate elected who will help each of them. (This makes life hard for people who, say, black fundamentalists who want both weed and kalashnikovs to be legal, but I never said the system was perfect). Hillary is very successful as a power broker between these groups. She toes the party line, whatever it happens to be at the time. Back in the 90s when neither party was flying the LGBT banner, she supported DOMA as a way to buy votes from Republicans on things that mattered to the party at the time. Now that the LGBT bloc is firmly with the Democrats, she flies that flag. And I honestly think she would support LGBT rights if elected - not because she cares now or then, but because as a political dealmaker she doesn't go against the party line. Bernie at least has the reputation of a single-issue candidate. He clearly cares far more about income inequality than any of the other subgroups. I think he's right to do so, and I think that he'd still do the right thing for all the other subparties of the Democrat Party, but he has the reputation otherwise. That's why, if it comes down to Trump vs. Hillary, I'm comfortable voting Hillary (note: if it were Hillary vs. Rubio or Hillary vs. Kasich, I'd be voting for Gary Johnson again - I don't [I]like[/I] Hillary but I'm genuinely afraid of Trump). It doesn't matter where she personally stands - she'll do what the voters of her party want her to do. She's dependable and reliable, if not particularly good at actually leading. And while some may see her flexibility as a weakness, it has some strengths. What happens if (as a semi-absurd example), in 2019, human-level AI gets solved and suddenly nonhuman rights are a Big Issue? Sanders might decide differently from the rest of his party, and make a choice I disagree with. Hillary will wait just long enough to see if the Democrats are going to become, in addition to everything else, the Robot Party, and then act accordingly.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49941236]But you're ignoring the part where people are genuinely wanting to vote for the WORSE option just because Bernie Bernt out. At this point all that should matter is voting for the person that's legit best for the country for four years. And for me and others that's Clinton simply because she'll just be Obama's unofficial third term.[/QUOTE] People vote based on their personal beliefs. Clearly there are people who disagree with you
I'm fairly dissatisified with both Obama's term and Clinton's record so a "3rd" term of Obama sounds terrible. Not voting GOP, but definitely not voting for what we have now coupled with lies and untrustworthiness.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49941196]You have nothing other than going off the hot smear air that's been almost 10 years in the making. Even I, with Medevila mentioning it, am beginning to think alot of the Anti-Hiliary thing is mostly hot air trying to keep a Woman out of the Oval. Which is actual Sexism, a legit, sensible, worrying sexism :v:.[/QUOTE] She changes political positions like one changes hats! Hell she said she'd be against the Columbian Free Trade Agreement when talking to union workers in 2008 and then a year later according to her emails she did nothing and even pushed for said act. Admittedly she is safer than trump but to blame the trust issue entirely on sexism is absurd. She also said TPP was a gold standard agreement and now says she is totally opposed to it, she said when she was first lady NAFTA was the shit so to speak and now she claims she was "always a critic of NAFTA".
If Hillary becomes president I forsee a lot of boring news.
Sanders is closing all of his gaps as time goes on but i really don't see him winning anything but Missouri.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49941236]But you're ignoring the part where people are genuinely wanting to vote for the WORSE option just because Bernie Bernt out. At this point all that should matter is voting for the person that's legit best for the country for four years. And for me and others that's Clinton simply because she'll just be Obama's unofficial third term.[/QUOTE] That and some people might think of Hilary's presidency like Bill Clinton's presidency in terms of economy. The only reason I wouldn't vote Democrat is if Kasich somehow becomes the Republican nominee, but so far, it seems like its gonna be Trump vs Clinton.
This solidifies that Clinton will be the nominee. Bernie has won (maybe) MO tonight and thats it.
[QUOTE=Tigster;49941247]People vote based on their personal beliefs. Clearly there are people who disagree with you[/QUOTE] But the issue is this, people aren't voting for Trump because they necessarily agree with him, they're voting for him for the absolute sole purpose of spiting his opponent and because Sanders didn't win. To empathize, it would be no better to than to vote for Hiliary because she's a woman, or Obama because he's black.
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