• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942287]I can't believe Bernie is continuing his campaign, he should have given up after the loss tonight[/QUOTE] More than half of delegates are still up for grabs, Sanders is polling strongly against Hillary in every single remaining state. Trump is a joke candidate.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942287]I can't believe Bernie is continuing his campaign, he should have given up after the loss tonight[/QUOTE] weirder things have happened, i would like for him to keep running too. makes it more interesting, gives me some hope that maybe it wont be clinton vs. trump
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942287]I can't believe Bernie is continuing his campaign, he should have given up after the loss tonight[/QUOTE] I think he just wants to be heard at this point. I think the guy has terrible ideas, but I definitely think he's one of the few genuine people running.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942301]More than half of delegates are still up for grabs, Sanders is polling strongly against Hillary in every single remaining state. Trump is a joke candidate.[/QUOTE] Loving how scared and in denial you are.
[QUOTE=sgman91;49942306]I think he just wants to be heard at this point. I think the guy has terrible ideas, but I definitely think he's one of the few genuine people running.[/QUOTE] I honestly think Kasich is the only other semi-sincere candidate in the race. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;49942309]Loving how scared and in denial you are.[/QUOTE] could you please masturbate somewhere else
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942301]More than half of delegates are still up for grabs, Sanders is polling strongly against Hillary in every single remaining state. Trump is a joke candidate.[/QUOTE] 1. And Hillary only needs a few more 2. "Sanders is polling strongly" has been something I have been hearing for a long time now and not seeing near any results in actual voting times 3. That has nothing to do with what I said
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942287]I can't believe Bernie is continuing his campaign, he should have given up after the loss tonight[/QUOTE] He never expected to get as far as he has. He still has a great platform for talking about the issues he cares about so he's probably going to keep doing so for as long as he can.
[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;49942303]weirder things have happened, i would like for him to keep running too. makes it more interesting, gives me some hope that maybe it wont be clinton vs. trump[/QUOTE] Again this is some of the shit I heard before tonight when prior to voting people continue to say "well look at michigan", "well he's polling high among young voters!" or "well look at something else that I morph to fit Bernie". It's fine to appreciate the merit that bernie has put up, but after tonight saying that he has this is basically grasping at straws.
[QUOTE=wystan;49942309]Loving how scared and in denial you are.[/QUOTE] Scared? Yo bro I aint even American. It's just that you've been so Stockholmed into liking one of the worst candidates that the planet has to offer. I've told you this before, you keep spouting about wanting to save America and you'd be fine with torture if it saves even one American life, but you don't care about the Americans that you're killing by voting for a megalomaniacal narcissist whose idea of good healthcare is a HSA and removing medical insurance from tens of millions of Americans. I'm only vocal about this because Sanders is literally the only candidate in the US political system right now that would be even remotely acceptable in the developed world.
Oh fuck...started the day thinking he was going to win at least 2. Trump Vs Hillarly confirmed?
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49942320]He never expected to get as far as he has. He still has a great platform for talking about the issues he cares about so he's probably going to keep doing so for as long as he can.[/QUOTE] He's making a platform for showing that people don't care about the points he is making. It's amazing to show you care for issues, but when you are being shut out in nearly every state, you may want to step back out of the spot light to reformulate the issues you are trying to present. That doesn't mean the issues and points you are addressing aren't noteworthy or wrong; it means you obviously aren't doing your message any good by presenting it the way you are.
[QUOTE=wystan;49942031]You can now look on Google if you want a breakdown of funding, just do "campaign finance X" [thumb]http://s10.postimg.org/m6dogmhg9/1458092604590.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE] Yes and you could look at politifact to break those numbers down [url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/feb/10/donald-trump/donald-trump-self-funding-his-campaign-sort/[/url]
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942314]1. And Hillary only needs a few more 2. "Sanders is polling strongly" has been something I have been hearing for a long time now and not seeing near any results in actual voting times 3. That has nothing to do with what I said[/QUOTE] 1. Yeah she's probably going to win 2. Polling strongly depends on context. Trump polls strongly mainly among uneducated voters like you, so in that context saying "Trump is polling strongly in universities" wouldn't be saying much. Sanders main voterbase is the north, aka slightly more developed part of the US. As it stands now Sanders needs to win at an average of like 70% or something like that to take the lead over hillary, [B]with Superdelegates included. [/B]3. Yeah I know lol
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942328]Scared? Yo bro I aint even American. It's just that you've been so Stockholmed into liking one of the worst candidates that the planet has to offer. I've told you this before, you keep spouting about wanting to save America and you'd be fine with torture if it saves even one American life, but you don't care about the Americans that you're killing by voting for a megalomaniacal narcissist whose idea of good healthcare is a HSA and removing medical insurance from tens of millions of Americans. I'm only vocal about this because Sanders is literally the only candidate in the US political system right now that would be even remotely acceptable in the developed world.[/QUOTE] I think what he is saying is that you aren't making any logical points based on the data and results of the polls. Also, you bringing up the fact you aren't American to use as an example in which to debate "what America needs" is kinda stupid.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942336]He's making a platform for showing that people don't care about the points he is making. It's amazing to show you care for issues, but when you are being shut out in nearly every state, you may want to step back out of the spot light to reformulate the issues you are trying to present. That doesn't mean the issues and points you are addressing aren't noteworthy or wrong; it means you obviously aren't doing your message any good by presenting it the way you are.[/QUOTE] That's not true. He's convinced many people of his message over Hillary's since he started his campaign. His support among younger voters in overwhelming. Arguing for free public college tuition, universal healthcare, dismantling disastrous free trade agreements, ceasing military campaigns abroad, raising the minimum wage to $15/hr, etc. has not hurt or diminished support for those issues. The exact opposite is true.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942341] 2. [B]Polling strongly depends on context. Trump polls strongly mainly among uneducated voters like you[/B], so in that context saying "Trump is polling strongly in universities" wouldn't be saying much. Sanders main voterbase is the north, aka slightly more developed part of the US. As it stands now Sanders needs to win at an average of like 70% or something like that to take the lead over hillary, [B]with Superdelegates included. [/QUOTE] I have some college I just started working before finishing, however if you want to provide those results from reliable sources I am more than willing to listen. Sanders did pretty bad in the North, and saying the North is "more developed" what the hell are you talking about? [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49942354]That's not true. [B]He's convinced many people of his message over Hillary's since he started his campaign. His support among younger voters in overwhelming.[/B] Arguing for free public college tuition, universal healthcare, dismantling disastrous free trade agreements, ceasing military campaigns abroad, raising the minimum wage to $15/hr, etc. has not hurt or diminished support for those issues. The exact opposite is true.[/QUOTE] *checks states won by Hillary* *checks states won by Bernie* Shit...
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942341]1. Yeah she's probably going to win 2. Polling strongly depends on context. Trump polls strongly mainly among uneducated voters like you, so in that context saying "Trump is polling strongly in universities" wouldn't be saying much. Sanders main voterbase is the north, aka slightly more developed part of the US. As it stands now Sanders needs to win at an average of like 70% or something like that to take the lead over hillary, [B]with Superdelegates included. [/B]3. Yeah I know lol[/QUOTE] For someone who isn't an American you sure do have an interest in our politics and find it somehow acceptable to insult and belittle those who disagree with you. Can you imagine how annoying it would be if Americans kept giving their opinion on Estonian politics as if it mattered to us?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942287]I can't believe Bernie is continuing his campaign, he should have given up after the loss tonight[/QUOTE] Iirc he said he's running his campaign to the nomination. Hillary will win by Delegates, not by Default.
[QUOTE=wystan;49942363]For someone who isn't an American you sure do have an interest in our politics and find it somehow acceptable to insult and belittle those who disagree with you. Can you imagine how annoying it would be if Americans kept giving their opinion on Estonian politics as if it mattered to us?[/QUOTE] I can kind of understand why foreigners give a shit about our politics since we have a pretty consistent record of poking in other people's business and being the general world police that everyone calls on to do things.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942358]*checks states won by Hillary* *checks states won by Bernie* Shit...[/QUOTE] I'm not sure you're understanding me. I'm talking about the amount of ground Bernie gained since the start of his campaign to now. He has absolutely persuaded many more people than originally agreed with him. I'm not claiming that he has more support than Hillary, obviously that's untrue. The results bear that out.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942344] Also, you bringing up the fact you aren't American to use as an example in which to debate "what America needs" is kinda stupid.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I get I'm being condescending to the max here, but it's literally something virtually the entire rest of the world can see except for you. I've never seen anyone who supports him actually defend Trump's policies in any depth. How do you defend a HSA healthcare plan that would reduce coverage to tens of millions How do you defend a plan for education that includes seriously cutting the DoE How do you defend torture when over ten years of US torture has shown NO results with it How do you defend a tax plan that reduces taxes for nearly everybody, while still thinking your budget and debt won't increase
[QUOTE=Durandal;49942368]I can kind of understand why foreigners give a shit about our politics since we have a pretty consistent record of poking in other people's business and being the general world police that everyone calls on to do things.[/QUOTE] I agree with you when it comes to relevant nations.
[QUOTE=wystan;49942363]For someone who isn't an American you sure do have an interest in our politics and find it somehow acceptable to insult and belittle those who disagree with you. Can you imagine how annoying it would be if Americans kept giving their opinion on Estonian politics as if it mattered to us?[/QUOTE] If they made good points then I would welcome it wholeheartedly. If the Estonian educational system was so fucked that 50% of our population couldn't see that Trump is one of the worst people to elect into office, then I would beg you for more of it, because unlike you, I actually care about my country and I want to see it made great again.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49942372]I'm not sure you're understanding me. I'm talking about the amount of ground Bernie gained since the start of his campaign to now. He has absolutely persuaded many more people than originally agreed with him. I'm not claiming that he has more support than Hillary, obviously that's untrue. The results bear that out.[/QUOTE] Then if you are using that comparison you can say the same about Rubio, Kasich, etc. It doesn't mean to much in the end.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942380]Then if you are using that comparison you can say the same about Rubio, Kasich, etc. It doesn't mean to much in the end.[/QUOTE] It's true though. And it does mean a lot because of what I said before: younger voters consistent support Bernie Sanders by a giant margin. So within the next 4 election cycles we should expect a significant shift in national politics.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942374]Yeah, I get I'm being condescending to the max here, but it's literally something virtually the entire rest of the world can see except for you. I've never seen anyone who supports him actually defend Trump's policies in any depth. [quote]How do you defend a HSA healthcare plan that would reduce coverage to tens of millions[/quote] I have an HSA plan, I just don't want to be locked into forcing health care nor healthcare monopoly dictated by what state/area I live in. I travel a lot for my job and an affordable, tax free measure is a personal HSA that covers me cross the country and accepted everywhere. [quote]How do you defend a plan for education that includes seriously cutting the DoE[/quote] Because the DoE is a steaming pile of shit that is near broken and just doesn't work. States levels can be much more agile given the size and population. [quote]How do you defend torture when over ten years of US torture has shown NO results with it[/quote] Not proven, and I think waterboarding and other methods should be reviewed. [quote]How do you defend a tax plan that reduces taxes for nearly everybody, while still thinking your budget and debt won't increase[/quote] Closing loopholes, cutting the fat from the IRS, ending meaningless IRS cases where no gains are made, etc. [QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49942392]It's true though. And it does mean a lot because of what I said before: younger voters consistent support Bernie Sanders by a giant margin. So within the next 4 election cycles we should expect a significant shift in national politics.[/QUOTE] Doubtful, people radically change from 18-22 or from 20-24. Ron Paul got a lot of attention and rallied many young people, but I would be surprised if you could find anyone who would remember his policies he wanted to enact.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942358]I have some college I just started working before finishing, however if you want to provide those results from reliable sources I am more than willing to listen. Sanders did pretty bad in the North, and saying the North is "more developed" what the hell are you talking about? [/QUOTE] Surely you know that the general (not absolute) correlation is 'The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote Democrat' That's very simply because educated people can at least sometimes see past the emotional taglines that appeal to their neanderthalian instincts of "make america great again" and "i'm going to torture them darn terries bad" More developed was probably the wrong phrase to use there, but you get my point still.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942408]Surely you know that the general (not absolute) correlation is 'The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote Democrat' [/quote] Surely you know that correlation is not justification for causation! Educated people know that! [quote]That's very simply because educated people can at least sometimes see past the emotional taglines that appeal to their neanderthalian instincts of "make america great again" and "i'm going to torture them darn terries bad" More developed was probably the wrong phrase to use there, but you get my point still.[/QUOTE] I rooted for Obama in the past but living in America traveling around nearly all the states, and gaining lots of experience working in multiple computer fields I've changed my views for this election. Just because I am voting for Trump, or any candidate for that matter, does not mean I support every viewpoint he/she has. However, that said, over all Trump has the best goals that I feel are important to the up coming future.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49942408]Surely you know that the general (not absolute) correlation is 'The more educated a person is, the more likely they are to vote Democrat' That's very simply because educated people can at least sometimes see past the emotional taglines that appeal to their neanderthalian instincts of "make america great again" and "i'm going to torture them darn terries bad" More developed was probably the wrong phrase to use there, but you get my point still.[/QUOTE] Every Bernie Sanders supporter I have ever met was caught up in the emotional taglines of "Feel the Bern". Everyone of them at my college was chanting "free school, free school" and when someone asked them "how" they started hurling insults and slurs at them in a red faced rage, no rational explanation for a simple question, just vitriol. But it's the less educated republican hicks who are all passion driven irrational people, right? Don't think for a second that democrats can't be persuaded by emotion and soundbite just like every other person.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49942325]Again this is some of the shit I heard before tonight when prior to voting people continue to say "well look at michigan", "well he's polling high among young voters!" or "well look at something else that I morph to fit Bernie". It's fine to appreciate the merit that bernie has put up, but after tonight saying that he has this is basically grasping at straws.[/QUOTE] There's certainly reason for Bernie to continue to run, if only to raise awareness for his issues and his profile for down the line, but yeah, there really isn't any chance at this point that he can win at this point. Sans New Hampshire, the biggest victory for Bernie was winning Michigan--in a night that he still lost the delegate count to Clinton, as Clinton managed to beat him slightly by heavily taking one smaller state to compensate for slightly losing Michigan. Bernie is far behind, and most of his victories are slightly edging out Clinton in states, but he needs to takes multiple large states by storm to make up for the delegate count, and that's not even counting how the deck is stacked against him with super delegates. The talk about how the states that Bernie is supposedly polling really well in are about to come up has been repeated for a while, and at this point, it feels like the whole, "Marco Rubio is about to break out and become the Republican front runner," narrative that we heard for a while. And we've seen how well that went. Credit to Bernie where it's due, he's run a formidable campaign, against a Clinton no less, and as a self-described socialist in the U.S. But he realistically doesn't have much of a chance at this point, especially after losing each state tonight.
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