• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=wystan;49943192]Check again, also for Islam, there is clearly something going on in the Muslim world that needs to be sorted out, yes "not all Muslims", but tell me if you see a trend in this list. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks[/url][/QUOTE] Tell me if I give a fuck. The goal of terrorism is to change how we live our lives. To change us, even in the face of the simple fact that it is a statistically insignificant drop in the bucket. You fear terrorism, in spite of all of the data suggesting that is ridiculous. Oh hey, we're back to the fact that you don't know the issues again. This seems to happen regularly. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;49943199]Is that why the poorest Americans live in Appalachia, which is almost exclusively white? Tell me about the rampant violence there.[/QUOTE] So you are just going to run with the notion that black people are dangerous because they are black people?
[QUOTE=GunFox;49943201]Tell me if I give a fuck. The goal of terrorism is to change how we live our lives. To change us, even in the face of the simple fact that it is a statistically insignificant drop in the bucket. You fear terrorism, in spite of all of the data suggesting that is ridiculous. Oh hey, we're back to the fact that you don't know the issues again. This seems to happen regularly.[/QUOTE] So let's take absolutely no steps to stop it? Let them keep doing it? Great idea. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;49943201]Tell me if I give a fuck. The goal of terrorism is to change how we live our lives. To change us, even in the face of the simple fact that it is a statistically insignificant drop in the bucket. You fear terrorism, in spite of all of the data suggesting that is ridiculous. Oh hey, we're back to the fact that you don't know the issues again. This seems to happen regularly. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] So you are just going to run with the notion that black people are dangerous because they are black people?[/QUOTE] I personally don't, but the data suggests such, which is the point I was trying to make about generalizations.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49943193]You aren't good at this. Poverty and education dictate crime. African Americans suffer from massive poverty rates. But nice try! Next time, lets try and frame Mexicans as rapists! It will be fun![/QUOTE] But! They're stealin' our jerbs!
[QUOTE=wystan;49943192]Check again, also for Islam, there is clearly something going on in the Muslim world that needs to be sorted out, yes "not all Muslims", but tell me if you see a trend in this list. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks[/url][/QUOTE] Are you saying we should violate civil rights in exchange of some psuedo security??? what?
[QUOTE=GunFox;49943193]You aren't good at this. Poverty and education dictate crime. African Americans suffer from massive poverty rates. But nice try! Next time, lets try and frame Mexicans as rapists! It will be fun![/QUOTE] I think their point is generalization, even when seemingly back up by statistics, can be wrong or shitty to make because they don't account for the full picture. This thing about crime rates started in response to: [QUOTE=EcksDee;49943087]There's sweeping generalizations that [I]tend to be[/I] true (the lower your level of education the higher the chances you're voting for Trump) [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wystan;49943156]He isn't preventing people from practicing Islam so he isn't violating the 1st Amendment.[/QUOTE] Um he's trying to ban a group people from entering a country based on religion That's suppresing their religion So yea it does violate the first amendment
[QUOTE=Firespray;49943211]Are you saying we should violate civil rights in exchange of some psuedo security??? what?[/QUOTE] The US started down that road quite some time ago.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49943220]Um he's trying to ban a group people from entering a country based on religion That's suppresing their religion So yea it does violate the first amendment[/QUOTE] If they aren't Americans that aren't entitled to that First Amendment.
well if we use wystan's grade A logic, you should ban anyone from entering between the 18-34 range of ages, because they overwhelmingly commit the most homicides and I believe the most crime
[QUOTE=wystan;49943173]My point on blacks is the data is on my side, so with your thinking I am 100% in the right to view blacks negatively like you do with republican and conservative voters, doesn't make me a racist, I'm just following the facts. And do you seriously believe out of the 50+ [i]million[/i] registered Republicans (not going to even count the Independents who support Trump) that they are all poorly educated and simply don't know what's good for them?[/QUOTE] Fair enough, indeed if I said that "all republican voters are dumb" then I would be in the wrong. However, if I ever said that then it's gotta be a mistype because I don't believe that. Instead what I've been saying is "the lower your level of education, [B]the more likely[/B] you are to vote for Trump" which is a trufact. Indeed, when it comes to blacks, the statistics are incomplete. But you also need to consider the bigger picture. Racial profiling and lack of opportunity and higher education and social support is a massive problem. There was a great example on an article somewhere that went like this: 1000 white people and 200 black people commit crime A, which is in proportion to the population. 100 white people get arrested, 75 black people get arrested. We already know that blacks and whites smoke weed at the same rate, but black people are 4 times as likely to get arrested. 50 white people are convicted, 50 black people are convicted. etc etc The statistics for voting records however are a lot simpler and have nothing to do with any form of profiling. Polls ask "What is your level of education" and "Who are you voting for", there's no more data needed to get a weak correlation. Add in other factors like income, religious status, marital status etc etc and the data becomes clearer.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49943225]well if we use wystan's grade A logic, you should ban anyone from entering between the 18-34 range of ages, because they overwhelmingly commit the most homicides and I believe the most crime[/QUOTE] It's not my logic though, that's the point. I'm not the one making generalizations here.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943224]If they aren't Americans that aren't entitled to that First Amendment.[/QUOTE] 1st amendment makes no reference to citizens or non-citizens it purely states limitations on your legislature
[QUOTE=wystan;49943224]If they aren't Americans that aren't entitled to that First Amendment.[/QUOTE] Any person wanting to become an American should be and are entitled to these rights What the fuck is wrong with you people?
[QUOTE=wystan;49943192]Check again, also for Islam, there is clearly something going on in the Muslim world that needs to be sorted out, yes "not all Muslims", but tell me if you see a trend in this list. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_and_other_violent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks[/url][/QUOTE] OH wow look at that, when the IRAQ WAR started, rates of terrorist attacks went up threefold. I wonder if that has something to do with the US starting a unilateral invasion of that land and giving more and more reasons for nonradical muslims to defend their families and friends.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943205]So let's take absolutely no steps to stop it? Let them keep doing it? Great idea.[/quote] Or we could not change our way of life and compromise our values because of something that still isn't an issue. That is a list of 40 years of terrorism. It is a few pages, at best, of global terrorism. [quote]I personally don't, but the data suggests such, which is the point I was trying to make about generalizations.[/QUOTE] Except it doesn't. The correlation between poverty/education and violent crime is what exists. Again, you are incapable, apparently, of conducting basic research into a topic. Your knee jerk conclusion is "black people are scary".
why do i, a British person, know more about your 1st amendment than you for fucks sake it makes no reference to citizens or non citizens - in the context of religion it is PURELY a limitation on your government to create laws discriminating against religions
[QUOTE=wystan;49943229]It's not my logic though, that's the point. I'm not the one making generalizations here.[/QUOTE] Yet u agree with the generalization that Muslims are terrorists so we should ban them from entering the U.S. and that Mexicans crossing are all rapists ???
[QUOTE=wystan;49943224]If they aren't Americans that aren't entitled to that First Amendment.[/QUOTE] Yes, they are. As was said, the constitution intentionally makes no differentiation between citizen and non citizen.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49943221]The US started down that road quite some time ago.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, yeah. Still got to voice my discontent though.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;49943220]Um he's trying to ban a group people from entering a country based on religion That's suppresing their religion So yea it does violate the first amendment[/QUOTE] I think ecksdee showed pretty well that the supreme court would certainly rule that it does so. Now wystan has to decide whether the constitution is flawed or whether Trump is suggesting something obviously unconstitutional. We're standing by for an update.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943224]If they aren't Americans that aren't entitled to that First Amendment.[/QUOTE] "Does the U.S. Constitution apply to foreign nationals in America?" "Yes" [url]http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub[/url]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49943230]1st amendment makes no reference to citizens or non-citizens it purely states limitations on your legislature[/QUOTE] It's the Bill of Rights, for Americans. You aren't entitled to our 2nd Amendment. The 3rd Amendment makes no mentions of citizens or non-citizens, so should the French be allowed to house your soldiers?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49943237]why do i, a British person, know more about your 1st amendment than you for fucks sake it makes no reference to citizens or non citizens - in the context of religion it is PURELY a limitation on your government to create laws discriminating against religions[/QUOTE] It is sad, isn't it? This is what we deal with.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943248]It's the Bill of Rights, for Americans. You aren't entitled to our 2nd Amendment. The 3rd Amendment makes no mentions of citizens or non-citizens, so should the French be allowed to house your soldiers?[/QUOTE] And as for actual citizens then? Do I let my constitutional rights become violated? What is your point?
[QUOTE=Firespray;49943254]And as for actual citizens then? Do I let my constitutional rights become violated? What is your point?[/QUOTE] You aren't an Muslim immigrant, you're fine.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49943226]The statistics for voting records however are a lot simpler and have nothing to do with any form of profiling. Polls ask "What is your level of education" and "Who are you voting for", there's no more data needed to get a weak correlation. Add in other factors like income, religious status, marital status etc etc and the data becomes clearer.[/QUOTE] This assumes the polling is done correctly and further it assumes the reason they are voting for a candidate is because--due to the lack of a higher education--they are unable to think critically. I think that's a pretty poor argument because I don't see how higher education imbues individuals with more common sense or a better ability to make smart, informed, decisions or vice versa.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943199]Is that why the poorest Americans live in Appalachia, which is almost exclusively white? Tell me about the rampant violence there.[/QUOTE] Appalachia is a very rural area. Rural areas have much lower reported crime rates than urban areas, and much lower police presence than urban areas. Impoverished black Americans are concentrated in urban areas. With high police presence, hence a higher chance to get caught. With more people around, hence a higher chance to get reported. Poor white Americans tend to be more concentrated in rural areas, with significantly lower police presence and much lower likelihood to get caught or reported or anything much at all. This isn't that complicated. But you don't care - you just want statistics to validate your racist beliefs and you'll readily ignore evidence that suggests something different that contradicts your beliefs. Sorry, black Americans aren't subhuman violent people out to commit white genocide.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943248]It's the Bill of Rights, for Americans. You aren't entitled to our 2nd Amendment. The 3rd Amendment makes no mentions of citizens or non-citizens, so should the French be allowed to house your soldiers?[/QUOTE] what the fuck is this argument the third amendment states that home owners will not have property garrisoned in their home without consent French soldiers???? what are you even talking about the amendment isn't protecting the rights of fucking soldiers lol (also wrong, the bill of rights makes no reference to Americans!)
[QUOTE=wystan;49943248]It's the Bill of Rights, for Americans. You aren't entitled to our 2nd Amendment. The 3rd Amendment makes no mentions of citizens or non-citizens, so should the French be allowed to house your soldiers?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ecksdee]http://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=wystan;49943256]You aren't an Muslim immigrant, you're fine.[/QUOTE]you're fine = not having your constitutional rights imposed upon because not a muslim?
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