• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49943331]ahahaha oh my god did wystan just refer to islam as a problem requiring a 'solution' (addressing)[/QUOTE] Ok I'll clarify the "problem" as radical militant Islam and/or Jihadism.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943329]Good question, and I don't have an answer for you, but ignoring it is not going to make it go away. Like I said, I don't really support the Muslim ban but just allowing it to keep happening is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] more than anything, the middle east is a product of their history. colonialism and frequent wars caused by foreign powers made it what it is today. this just creates the breeding ground for radicalism.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943334]Ok I'll clarify the "problem" as radical militant Islam and/or Jihadism.[/QUOTE] i think you need to take a good hard look in the mirror when it's extremely easy to interpret what you're saying as the most infamous policy of the third reich thanks for clarifying that you only mean the radical jews i mean muslims
I also remembered that the USA has also signed the UDHR hasn't it? "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood." "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." [B] "Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law"[/B]
[QUOTE=Firespray;49943335]more than anything, the middle east is a product of their history. colonialism and frequent wars caused by foreign powers made it what it is today.[/QUOTE] Well I'm thankful you didn't pin the situation in the Middle East as solely America's fault, and I agree, but I think it's going to have to get a lot worse before it gets better, I didn't want to give a violent option because I know how unpalatable that is for most of you.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943334]Ok I'll clarify the "problem" as radical militant Islam and/or Jihadism.[/QUOTE]why do you wanna do a temp ban on people who are not #radical Islamists?
[QUOTE=wystan;49943329]Good question, and I don't have an answer for you, but ignoring it is not going to make it go away. Like I said, I don't really support the Muslim ban but just allowing it to keep happening is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] Given that terrorism isn't actually strategically damaging and instead relies on the emotional response of the people around it, ignoring it might actually make it go away. Surprise!
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49943340]i think you need to take a good hard look in the mirror when it's extremely easy to interpret what you're saying as the most infamous policy of the third reich thanks for clarifying that you only mean the radical jews[/QUOTE] About time we hit the Hitler/Nazi angle.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49943344]why do you wanna do a temp ban on people who are not #radical Islamists?[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, you can not tell the difference just by looking at them at Customs in an Airport.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943329]Good question, and I don't have an answer for you, but ignoring it is not going to make it go away. Like I said, I don't really support the Muslim ban but just allowing it to keep happening is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] allowing what to keep happening? The 80 American terrorist deaths from 2003 to 2014? How about you fix your fucking healthcare problem first, before methodically breaking down everything your country stands for.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943352]Unfortunately, you can not tell the difference just by looking at them at Customs in an Airport.[/QUOTE] But you CAN tell the difference between a Muslim and a Christian just by looking at them?
[QUOTE=wystan;49943352]Unfortunately, you can not tell the difference just by looking at them at Customs in an Airport.[/QUOTE]you seemingly want to ban them just by looking at what religion they are at Customs
[QUOTE=wystan;49943348]About time we hit the Hitler/Nazi angle.[/QUOTE] do you ever wonder why people might compare your views to that of the third reich might be because you suggested depriving a certain religious belief of constitutional rights, and then suggested that the religion itself was a 'problem' that needed addressing but i'm sure if you just incorrectly yell godwin long enough, the comparisons will simply fade away [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;49943357]But you CAN tell the difference between a Muslim and a Christian just by looking at them?[/QUOTE] well you see, you just get the muslims to wear a mark so we can identify them
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49943354]allowing what to keep happening? The 80 American terrorist deaths from 2003 to 2014? How about you fix your fucking healthcare problem first, before methodically breaking down everything your country stands for.[/QUOTE] Militant Islam affects more than the US. I would want to prevent another Paris too, obviously a Muslim ban in the US won't do that, hence why I said treat the problem not the solution.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49943361]you seemingly want to ban them just by looking at what religion they are at Customs[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Xubs;49943359]excuse me[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=GunFox;49943357]But you CAN tell the difference between a Muslim and a Christian just by looking at them?[/QUOTE] I meant telling the difference between a peaceful Muslim and a militant extremist.
How about you institute a muslim-test like they had in Japan [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumi-e]back in its more barbaric times[/url] Have them step on a Quran. If they don't, they're evil muzzies and you send them back to the darn tootin hole in the sand they came from.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943378]I meant telling the difference between a peaceful Muslim and a militant extremist.[/QUOTE] But you can tell the difference between a Christian and a Muslim at the airport. Because that part is also important for a ban.
[QUOTE=Xubs;49943377]But it doesn't "treat" anything. It's not a "solution" to anything. It doesn't solve any problems that you claim it does, not even partially. It's more harmful than inaction, by a long shot.[/QUOTE] Unfortunately, no real way of knowing that.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943373]Militant Islam affects more than the US. I would want to prevent another Paris too, obviously a Muslim ban in the US won't do that, hence why I said treat the problem not the solution.[/QUOTE] Dude you're not getting the point. It's because of military intervention and exclusionary policies that the terror problem is getting worse. It's NEVER going to get better if your only ideas are to ban Muslims and send more troops to the middle east.
Ah, wystan at it again. He who said it is okay to literally torture anybody who isn't a US citizen if we suspect them of any wrongdoing. The kicker? He knows it doesn't provide actionable intel. He wants to use torture as a deterrent.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943348]About time we hit the Hitler/Nazi angle.[/QUOTE] Oh my god You must be trolling at this point
[QUOTE=wystan;49943385]Unfortunately, no real way of knowing that.[/QUOTE] NO HERE'S THE AMAZING THING, we DO know that! We DO know from data and experience that diplomacy is effective, and that sending in troops makes the problem worse. We know that being inclusive is effective, and excluding minorities makes the problem worse. WE KNOW ALL OF THIS
[QUOTE=wystan;49943385]Unfortunately, no real way of knowing that.[/QUOTE]its good to know what a plan you're implementing is actually supposed to do
So, what actually happened ? There are 800 new posts since I last logged in.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49943393]NO HERE'S THE AMAZING THING, we DO know that! We DO know from data and experience that diplomacy is effective, and that sending in troops makes the problem worse. We know that being inclusive is effective, and excluding minorities makes the problem worse. WE KNOW ALL OF THIS[/QUOTE] Tell me the diplomatic solution to ISIS. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=AntonioR;49943398]So, what actually happened ? There are 800 new posts since I last logged in.[/QUOTE] Bernie didn't win a single state thank christ. Trump won all but Ohio.
Watching people argue with wystan is somewhat funny in the saddest way.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49943398]So, what actually happened ? There are 800 new posts since I last logged in.[/QUOTE] Hillary won all five states. She won Florida by a margin of 2:1, and Bernie was in the lead in one state, I think Missouri, until Hillary overtook him right at the end of the count.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49943390]Ah, wystan at it again. He who said it is okay to literally torture anybody who isn't a US citizen if we suspect them of ant wrongdping. The kicker? He knows it doesn't provide actionable intel. He wants to use torture as a deterrent.[/QUOTE] Please don't simplify my views on torture just so you can try and get a wicked condescending zinger. Or just bring in a view I have that wasn't even relevant to the conversation, or tangentially related at best.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49943398]So, what actually happened ? There are 800 new posts since I last logged in.[/QUOTE] reichfuhrer wystan is delivering his seminal speech on how to solve the problem of the eternal muslim
[QUOTE=wystan;49943408]Please don't simplify my views on torture just so you can try and get a wicked condescending zinger. Or just bring in a view I have that wasn't even relevant to the conversation, or tangentially related at best.[/QUOTE] But he perfectly described your and other trump supporters views on torture ;)
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