• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=wystan;49943399]Tell me the diplomatic solution to ISIS. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] Bernie didn't win a single state thank christ. Trump won all but Ohio.[/QUOTE]the campaign to destroy isis is connected to, but seperate from, the diplomatic and political solutions for resolving the civil war in syria no one is saying start having diplomatic ties, what you are saying is somehow banning muslims from entering the US will help with ISIS. why??
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49943393]NO HERE'S THE AMAZING THING, we DO know that! We DO know from data and experience that diplomacy is effective, and that sending in troops makes the problem worse. We know that being inclusive is effective, and excluding minorities makes the problem worse. WE KNOW ALL OF THIS[/QUOTE] Yea being inclusive is working wonders for Germany and Sweden.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943399]Tell me the diplomatic solution to ISIS. [/QUOTE] NATO: [url]http://www.coedat.nato.int/publication/workshop_reports/04-Diplomacy_Soft_Power_Report.pdf[/url] Saudi Arabia: [url]http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA522010[/url] CACI and USNI [url]http://asymmetricthreat.net/docs/asymmetric_threat_3_paper.pdf[/url] [url]http://dc.uwm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1069&context=etd[/url] And some generic articles [url]https://www.lagrange.edu/resources/pdf/citations/2010/22Quirk_PoliticalScience.pdf[/url] [url]http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/the-soft-power-war-isis-doesnt-want/[/url] [url]http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/02/defence-soft-power-why-war-terror-will-never-win[/url] [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;49943415]Yea being inclusive is working wonders for Germany and Sweden.[/QUOTE] Completely different issue there and you know it. Germany and Sweden aren't experiencing terror attacks, they're experiencing the results of a badly managed migrant refugee wave.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943408]Please don't simplify my views on torture just so you can try and get a wicked condescending zinger. Or just bring in a view I have that wasn't even relevant to the conversation, or tangentially related at best.[/QUOTE] Directly related, you mean? Since this is a discussion about Trump's outlandish policies and your support for them?
Wystan, how are you going to tell the difference between a muslim and anyone else at the airport - serious question. Are you just going to ask them? Would you think that would stop extremists?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49943433]Wystan, how are you going to tell the difference between a muslim and anyone else at the airport - serious question. Are you just going to ask them? Would you think that would stop extremists?[/QUOTE]it's a little known trick that a muslim is literally unable to say they're not muslim. if they lie they die.
[QUOTE=Xubs;49943426]The situation in Germany and Sweden aren't even close to comparable to the situation of American foreign relations with Syria and the rest of the Islamic world. It's a far more complex issue than "uppity Muslims committing tons of violence." Your opinions on these subjects are simplifying the world and its people far too much.[/QUOTE] This whole derailing was from the simplifying and generalizations of conservatives and Republican voters is too much. I really wouldn't even be bothered by it if they just acknowledge that they are no different and to stop being hypocritical.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943438]This whole derailing was from the simplifying and generalizations of conservatives and Republican voters is too much. I really wouldn't even be bothered by it if they just acknowledge that they are no different and to stop being hypocritical.[/QUOTE]we're not talking about conservative and republican voters, we're talking about you. i mean, it would be silly to generalize all conservatives as having your view points cause they're ridiculous
[QUOTE=wystan;49943415]Yea being inclusive is working wonders for Germany and Sweden.[/QUOTE] Funny you should mention that. As a Swede who keeps close tabs on the political climate here, I've in the past year alone seen politicians promise to take in 160,000 refugees. Just 2 weeks after the budget proposal for this was delivered, the budget cracked and we scrambled to fix it. Not much later, our politicians have just reached a point where they've decided to go back on their previously super-inclusive socialist utopia and declared that it's "too much to handle", even going so far as [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmuqusBOfuo"]our vice prime minister crying on live TV[/URL]. And despite all that, I know banning anyone, at all, isn't the answer. Moderation, careful investigation and futureproofing is the answer.
[QUOTE=wystan;49943438]This whole derailing was from the simplifying and generalizations of conservatives and Republican voters is too much. I really wouldn't even be bothered by it if they just acknowledge that they are no different and to stop being hypocritical.[/QUOTE] Yet you are a hypocrite for wanting the US to turn its back on the fundamental values that made it great and free to begin with
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;49943439]we're not talking about conservative and republican voters, we're talking about you. i mean, it would be silly to generalize all conservatives as having your view points cause they're ridiculous[/QUOTE] I can agree with that, partially. I don't think for a second other people agree with my views on torture, but earlier in the thread, that's what we were discussing.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49943365] well you see, you just get the muslims to wear a mark so we can identify them[/QUOTE] dont worry trump is one step ahead of you, he got that down. he'll give me a special ID card. [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/19/donald-trump-wont-rule-out-warrantless-searches-id-cards-for-american-muslims/[/URL] being serious for a moment, thank you for taking the time to explain everything you said in this thread Cloak Raider, you arent even obligated to do this stuff as a Brit, but I sure do appreciate it.
[video=youtube;7SrIDTgWjgk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SrIDTgWjgk[/video]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49943433]Wystan, how are you going to tell the difference between a muslim and anyone else at the airport - serious question. Are you just going to ask them? Would you think that would stop extremists?[/QUOTE] muslims don't have reflections in mirrors, and they suffer pain when a cross is held up in front of them ez test m8
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;49943440]Funny you should mention that. As a Swede who keeps close tabs on the political climate here, I've in the past year alone seen politicians promise to take in 160,000 refugees. Just 2 weeks after the budget proposal for this was delivered, the budget cracked and we scrambled to fix it. Not much later, our politicians have just reached a point where they've decided to go back on their previously super-inclusive socialist utopia and declared that it's "too much to handle", even going so far as [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmuqusBOfuo"]our vice prime minister crying on live TV[/URL]. And despite all that, I know banning anyone, at all, isn't the answer. [B]Moderation, careful investigation and futureproofing is the answer.[/B][/QUOTE] Isn't that what Trump is trying to do with this in the first place. Since it seems rather easier than preventing the issues in the first place than trying to fix them after decades of ignoring the glaring issues which kept growing and growing in those years. And trust me, no one wants to have a Molenbeek or Rotherham in their countries. While Trump's idea might not be morally 100% okay, it seems like a very logical thing to do.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49943433]Wystan, how are you going to tell the difference between a muslim and anyone else at the airport - serious question. Are you just going to ask them? Would you think that would stop extremists?[/QUOTE] When I was flying from Germany 2 months ago and I checked in to get my ticket the display very specifically said I was [I]not[/I] allowed to carry hand-grenades with me in my luggage. I'm trying to imagine a terrorist of some kind checking in like that, seeing the "no grenades" sign and just being really annoyed and angry and after going through the information desk he calls it a day and goes home.
[QUOTE=postal;49941706]voting independent is just the same as voting trump lol, you'd just be handing him an easy win by helping to split up the democratic vote.[/QUOTE] I'd say it'd be about even this time, many republicans won't vote for Trump so they will either go independent or go vote for Hilary. I'd say whoever wins, the independents are going to come out pretty big in this election. Might end up fucking the 2 party system up good
So I just woke up. Is it confirmed Hiliary vs Trump now that it's 7am the day after?
This will be the first time since 1857 that the democratic party wins 2 consecutive presidencies, without being vice president and the president dying. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] So we either get the first fruit president, or that. Either way, making history
I already toxxed that Trump will not win the general, might as well move it up. Hillary Clinton will win the 2016 US presidential election :toxx: Why do some people seem so convinced Trump will beat Clinton? He's massively unpopular and the head-to-head polls give Clinton a big lead over him, I don't know where people are getting this from.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49943693]So I just woke up. Is it confirmed Hiliary vs Trump now that it's 7am the day after?[/QUOTE] Well, Trump seems basically confirmed, Bernie still has a small chance, but he needs big wins, which is unlikely, but possible. Anyone who don't want to throw away money would bet on Hillary of course. Doesn't stop me from hoping Bernie will win.
[QUOTE=Megadave;49943573]I'd say it'd be about even this time, many republicans won't vote for Trump so they will either go independent or go vote for Hilary. I'd say whoever wins, the independents are going to come out pretty big in this election. Might end up fucking the 2 party system up good[/QUOTE] Most Republicans would never, EVER vote for Hillary, and it won't change anything about the party system, since there's no real independent that stands out of the lot. It's more likely that these voters would just not vote at all.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49943731]I already toxxed that Trump will not win the general, might as well move it up. Hillary Clinton will win the 2016 US presidential election :toxx: Why do some people seem so convinced Trump will beat Clinton? He's massively unpopular and the head-to-head polls give Clinton a big lead over him, I don't know where people are getting this from.[/QUOTE] goodness me not only will we have to suffer 4-8 years of trump, but facepunch loses our resident newsbot too :(
[QUOTE=smurfy;49943731]I already toxxed that Trump will not win the general, might as well move it up. Hillary Clinton will win the 2016 US presidential election :toxx: Why do some people seem so convinced Trump will beat Clinton? He's massively unpopular and the head-to-head polls give Clinton a big lead over him, I don't know where people are getting this from.[/QUOTE] Noo don't Toxx yourself! You're like one of the best posters on SH.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49943731]I already toxxed that Trump will not win the general, might as well move it up. Hillary Clinton will win the 2016 US presidential election :toxx: Why do some people seem so convinced Trump will beat Clinton? He's massively unpopular and the head-to-head polls give Clinton a big lead over him, I don't know where people are getting this from.[/QUOTE] Massively unpopular according to who? It's quite early to make any predictions for the general elections, and yeah that really goes both ways, but how is he unpopular right now when he's winning big on the Republican side? Also, people expect Trump to completely destroy Hillary in debates.
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4aj7lk/if_we_win_4_states_today_hillary_will_lose/]Meanwhile on /r/SandersForPresident[/url] [quote]Just to clarify, a shutout today means an easier path that will most likely score us the nomination. I encourage everyone to get involved[/quote]
if smurfy gets perma'd, i'll take up the mantle of spamming SH with threads don't worry boyz i'll target my news purely on the demographics of facepunch, it will be fair and balanced with thread titles so sensationalist that you'll think that civilisation is coming to an end every single day
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49943755] Also, people expect Trump to completely destroy Hillary in debates.[/QUOTE] Haha who? Trump has no substance to anything he says, that is highlighted in debates.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;49943755]Massively unpopular according to who? It's quite early to make any predictions for the general elections, and yeah that really goes both ways, but how is he unpopular right now when he's winning big on the Republican side? Also, people expect Trump to completely destroy Hillary in debates.[/QUOTE] Massively unpopular according to this: [url]http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating[/url] I know he appeals to a plurality of GOP primary voters but I don't believe that that even remotely translates into an appeal to independents or to the people who actually decide the winners of presidential elections
[QUOTE=HappyCompy;49942775][B]THE SOUTH.[/B] The South, with their social conservatism and backwardness, poison our government with their tainted representatives that steal a large amount of seats which could be otherwise filled with progressive statesmen making laws. If we didn't have these bible huggin,' gay hating, poor people loathing, good ol' boys shitting up our government, we could join the world and move into the 21st fucking century. God I hate the South. Yes, it's irrational.:disgust:[/QUOTE] [B]THE NORTH[/B] The North, with their backwards totalitarianism and wanting to control everything everyone does because "we know what's best for you" is poisoning our government with their tainted representatives that steal a large amount of seats which could otherwise be filled with freedom loving statesmen protecting our freedoms. If we didn't have these gun hating, tax and spending, "Holier than thou" control freaks shitting up our government, we could all stay out of each other's business and live in peace. God I hate the North. Yes, it's irrational. :disgust:
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