3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948610]Jesus christ you made another post just full of assumptions?
What do you do that you earn that much?[/QUOTE]
Computer/Virtualization/cloud engineering.
I love to hear rebuttles on FP because I use them when I spot dipshit Bernie people outside Whole Foods.
It's funny, I love to explain to them how I slept on a povert stricken family floor in a run down neighborhood, bought a car to sleep in through HS, and worked from jr year 37.5 hours to a lot of Community College just so I could live.
The shock and awe when I tell them I am a Trump supporter is hilarious because they are so incubated in the "college experience" most of them don't even fucking know what it means to live to survive.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;49948673]I've earned about 30k year (salaried) for the last 8 years, since I was 22. I own no car, live in a small apartment, and can't afford any medical expenses after my last trip to the hospital wiped out my $6k savings. I also can't afford health insurance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah build a resume, work a skillset, and change jobs based on it. You'll not stagnate wages thin, I honestly have been working 24+ hours a week since I was 13 just to survive, I had to go infront of a HS counselor to present why I wanted an early work permit so I could afford a black and white TV in 2003...
[quote]Yeah build a resume, work a skillset, and change jobs based on it.[/quote]
This is the highest paid job (and the most stable) I've ever had. I started work when I was 13 at Cinemark which, quite gracefully of it, scheduled me to work and sent me on moviebreak for 60% of my shifts (go watch a movie, we don't pay you, we'll call you if we need you). So I was scheduled for 24-28 hrs/week and only got paid for about 8-12 of that. But if I wasn't there, I didn't get paid at all.
I've worked many, many jobs and have had to support myself and another person on those wages. I couldn't list all the jobs I've held. It's something above 30. I wholeheartedly support Bernie's medical stance in particular because if we had [i]ever[/i] encountered a major healthcare issue in that time it would not only have sent us deep into debt but possibly have denied lifesaving care.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;49948718]This is the highest paid job (and the most stable) I've ever had. I started work when I was 13 at Cinemark which, quite gracefully of it, scheduled me to work and sent me on moviebreak for 60% of my shifts (go watch a movie, we don't pay you, we'll call you if we need you). So I was scheduled for 24-28 hrs/week and only got paid for about 8-12 of that. But if I wasn't there, I didn't get paid at all.
I've worked many, many jobs and have had to support myself and another person on those wages. I couldn't list all the jobs I've held. It's something above 30. I wholeheartedly support Bernie's medical stance in particular because if we had [I]ever[/I] encountered a major healthcare issue in that time it would not only have sent us deep into debt but possibly have denied lifesaving care.[/QUOTE]
I hate to be tough but if I had that mind set of going jobs to jobs, I'd get no where. If you are gaming retail then IDK what to expect in terms of job security since the collge-18 age is going to undermine you every single time. We need trump to bring jobs so people who aren't in retail have something to work forward to!
I was that crowd of underminers (college/18-age). I was undermined by all the people who were already working there; this repeated all the way until I was 24 and finally gave retail up.
If you had my mindset, you'd understand you can't be choosy about your job when push comes shove. Your landlord doesn't give a crap that you're trying to find the best wage you can. Rent's due. Pay up. Savings? That's the emergency rent fund.
Sure, you keep looking meanwhile, and I did - but I'd rather go nowhere than be kicked out into the street. Lot harder to get a good job when you're preoccupied with just surviving.
[quote]We need trump to bring jobs so people who aren't in retail have something to work forward to![/quote]
Your trump can go shove it. Bring more jobs, period - retail is a fine profession so long as our employers didn't see us as entirely disposable - which they can do because the market is crazy crowded.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948787]I hate to be tough but if I had that mind set of going jobs to jobs, I'd get no where. If you are gaming retail then IDK what to expect in terms of job security since the collge-18 age is going to undermine you every single time. We need trump to bring jobs so people who aren't in retail have something to work forward to![/QUOTE]
And what jobs is he bringing back? Can you specify or is it just more vague "trust me i'm trump" rhetoric?
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;49948805]I was that crowd of underminers (college/18-age). I was undermined by all the people who were already working there.
If you had my mindset, you'd understand you can't be choosy about your job when push comes shove. Your landlord doesn't give a crap that you're trying to find the best wage you can. Rent's due. Pay up. Savings? That's the emergency rent fund.
Sure, you keep looking meanwhile, and I did - but I'd rather go nowhere than be kicked out into the street. Lot harder to get a good job when you're preoccupied with just surviving.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I did HVAC at 13-16 then baggerat 16 but worked my way up to CSR/Book Keeper @18-22 by showing up on time not calling out and helping out on shifts not mine.
I stopped doing mega expenditures for college classes and at the same time did any internship I could even if not paid because it paid off on my resume.
I moved out with 0, my parents had nothing I had 1200 in my bank and my roommates and our monthy fees were 700 I made like 1250/mo after tax. Obama care/ACA killed me to near 1000 month because I worked to much! Obama obviously wanted to help me by taxing me more when I made a raise so I got taxed more for something I couldn't afford!
[editline]17th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948846]And what jobs is he bringing back? Can you specify or is it just more vague "trust me i'm trump" rhetoric?[/QUOTE]
Apple, Fair trade should stop car manufacturing in Mexico, reinventing space program, etc
[quote]Obama care/ACA killed me to near 1000 month because I worked to much! Obama obviously wanted to help me by taxing me more when I made a raise so I got taxed more for something I couldn't afford![/quote]
Which is precisely what makes Sanders appealing to me. Sure, people rail about it being 'free shit'. Well you know what - sometimes I need free shit to [i]live[/i]. We're not talking about people going out and buying a damn PS4 while their kids are starving. We're talking life saving medication and procedures. Everyone should have access to this stuff - your health should not be a part of the 'game of money making'.
I can afford a 10% tax. I can't afford a damn car payment whenever I get knocked on my butt by an unexpected medical issue. And I [i]already[/i] can't afford insurance that'll cover anything that's worth throwing money at.
Edit: So tell me: Why would Trump appeal to me. From the sounds of it nothing revolutionary's on his side of the table. Certainly nothing that'd fundamentally change my situation better than Sanders would.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948852]Yeah I did HVAC at 13-16 then baggerat 16 but worked my way up to CSR/Book Keeper @18-22 by showing up on time not calling out and helping out on shifts not mine.
I stopped doing mega expenditures for college classes and at the same time did any internship I could even if not paid because it paid off on my resume.
I moved out with 0, my parents had nothing I had 1200 in my bank and my roommates and our monthy fees were 700 I made like 1250/mo after tax. Obama care/ACA killed me to near 1000 month because I worked to much! Obama obviously wanted to help me by taxing me more when I made a raise so I got taxed more for something I couldn't afford!
[editline]17th March 2016[/editline]
Apple, Fair trade should stop car manufacturing in Mexico, reinventing space program, etc[/QUOTE]
Trump has said nothing about a space program, so please, source and proof, not more empty rhetoric.
Car manufacturing coming back will be in the form of automated manufacturing. How does Apple play into this besides some vague assumption you can force them to make affordable products at home?
Where are you getting this crazy assumptions of what he'll do
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948872]Trump has said nothing about a space program, so please, source and proof, not more empty rhetoric.[/quote]
He said it in a few rallies, SpaceX is becoming profitable so investing in it is worthy for trump and us.
[quote]Car manufacturing coming back will be in the form of automated manufacturing.[/quote]
But it takes a good lot of engineering, and is not quite there yet in terms of prod lines. If it was fully automated then wht outsource?
[quote]How does Apple play into this besides some vague assumption you can force them to make affordable products at home? [/quote]
Apple is a example of Foxconn, which is a prime example of how many companies need to be moved back into america.
I love SpaceX. It will be many years before it becomes seriously profitable - especially so if we're considering the whole of the economy.
That's also optimistically assuming it becomes seriously profitable instead of just useful to the economy.
Edit: Also, can you do me a solid and explain why Trump would appeal to someone in my situation? I'm not liable to change jobs unless forced to (and Trump's not focusing on improving the games industry anyway), I can't afford insurance, and I have almost no savings. What is the appeal?
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;49948900]I love SpaceX. It will be many years before it becomes seriously profitable - especially so if we're considering the whole of the economy.
That's also optimistically assuming it becomes seriously profitable instead of just useful to the economy.[/QUOTE]
If we cut environmental taxes and such it will most likely become profitable.
What? The major costs are in construction, not running it. Also those taxes can't be anywhere near their other operating/construction costs.
An extra $100k per package delivered isn't exactly economy changing when we could only expect SpaceX to schedule maybe 24 missions a year at full throttle right now.
Edit: If you want SpaceX to become seriously profitable: Give them the tools to entirely automate the construction, inspection, and testing of their craft. This would, I point out, also take jobs [i]out[/i] of SpaceX as they'd make them irrelevant.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948893]He said it in a few rallies, SpaceX is becoming profitable so investing in it is worthy for trump and us.[/QUOTE]
So you have no proof, no policy, just words. And not even words about NASA, the people who perform miracles essentially on less budget than over 40 years than Trumps Wall would cost upfront?
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But it takes a good lot of engineering, and is not quite there yet in terms of prod lines. If it was fully automated then wht outsource?[/QUOTE]
It is there for cars enough so that the "jobs" your bringing back are pretty limited to at most, a few thousand nation wide.
And really? You're this uninformed on basic business practices that you don't understand they'd always take the cheaper option?
[QUOTE]Apple is a example of Foxconn, which is a prime example of how many companies need to be moved back into america.[/QUOTE]
And how much are americans going to be paid to work in those factories to keep Apple profitable or are you okay with Americans making products that only the richest of the rich can buy because Apple needs to stay profitable?
None of these are answers. None of these are realistic solutions.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948907]If we cut environmental taxes and such it will most likely become profitable.[/QUOTE]
Musk claims SpaceX is already profitable. Although it's a private company so no way to know for sure. But cuts to environmental taxes will have little to no benefit for SpaceX. Musk is huge advocate for a carbon tax and has publicly said he is against Trump.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948907]If we cut environmental taxes and such it will most likely become profitable.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck are you even on about?
Yes or no
Assuming climate change was possible(it is, and it's happening) would the environmental damage cost anything to America?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948928]So you have no proof, no policy, just words. And not even words about NASA, the people who perform miracles essentially on less budget than over 40 years than Trumps Wall would cost upfront? [/quote]
[url]http://gizmodo.com/the-2016-presidential-candidates-views-on-nasa-and-spac-1760875565[/url]
[quote]It is there for cars enough so that the "jobs" your bringing back are pretty limited to at most, a few thousand nation wide.[/quote]
Tax Oil and lead a electric revolution, it returns a lot
[quote]And how much are americans going to be paid to work in those factories to keep Apple profitable or are you okay with Americans making products that only the richest of the rich can buy because Apple needs to stay profitable?
None of these are answers. None of these are realistic solutions.[/QUOTE]
Then play smart and make your products better and captialism will work it out. If China, Mexico, Japan, and Canada default and cause us a small recession for the sake of better lives over all. Fine with me! Not my problem they defunk
[editline]17th March 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948935]What the fuck are you even on about?
Yes or no
Assuming climate change was possible(it is, and it's happening) would the environmental damage cost anything to America?[/QUOTE]
I grew up in Hampton roads and saw rocket launches, better to deregulate it soon.
Climate change is real, the effect america has on it is questionable
SpaceX will also be able to launch astronauts to the ISS next year and hope to have a manned Mars mission in 2025. Congress gave the commercial space program full funding recently.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948960][url]http://gizmodo.com/the-2016-presidential-candidates-views-on-nasa-and-spac-1760875565[/url][/QUOTE]
So an article that doesn't support what you previously said any more so than "He might do something about it one day" is your fucking proof?
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Tax Oil and lead a electric revolution, it returns a lot[/QUOTE]
How is that the solution WHAT SO EVER to what I said? That is an entirely unrelated problem.
[QUOTE]Then play smart and make your products better and captialism will work it out. If China, Mexico, Japan, and Canada default and cause us a small recession for the sake of better lives over all. Fine with me! Not my problem they defunk[/QUOTE]
Again, how is this in anyway a cogent response to MY post, and not a tangentially different one?
You clearly want a plutocracy because you think you'll fit right in with them.
[quote][url]http://gizmodo.com/the-2016-presiden...pac-1760875565[/url][/quote]
Oh. You're not talking about SpaceX. You're talking about Trump saying he'll save the economy by investing into the private sector of space. Mining, tourism, science, industry (space welding, vacuum construction), etc.
OK, that's laudable. Another thing: That's many many years away. There's companies on the forefront right now trying to push into that (Planetary Resources, Virgin, SpaceX, etc) but let's not kid ourselves and say we're going to invest in the great state of California - which'll save our country's economy with new jobs etc - while our pioneer california colonization wagons have yet to cross the damn Mississippi.
Privatized space mining and so forth is still 20-30 years out (from the perspective of 'potentially game-changing/economy-disrupting effects'). Maybe 10 if some real money gets thrown at it [i]hard[/i]. And that's where the bulk of money's going to be for now. Tourism just isn't going to happen for the next 10 years outside the super rich. The money he's talking about will be coming into the economy [i]well[/i] past a potential second term of office unless he's going to throw billions and billions of dollars at it. And this is all kind of optimistic speak here. I'm an enthusiast and I'd be delighted if a candidate would look into investing our economy into this stuff - but not because I expect it to turn an immediate profit, because it'll eventually bring in new money and jobs many many years down the road.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948977]So an article that doesn't support what you previously said any more so than "He might do something about it one day" is your fucking proof?[/quote]
Like all candidates they promise it same with bernie on X/Y/Z
[quote]How is that the solution WHAT SO EVER to what I said? That is an entirely unrelated problem. [/quote]
Electric cars in the US made cripple Canada oil and dollar value as well as over seas oil, it also makes us the leader for electronic tech development.
[quote]Again, how is this in anyway a cogent response to MY post, and not a tangentially different one?
You clearly want a plutocracy because you think you'll fit right in with them.[/QUOTE]
capitalism will determine the price but it will be far better than no work. America isn't responsible what happens to the communities or companies that shut down because your country could not compete.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49948977]So an article that doesn't support what you previously said any more so than "He might do something about it one day" is your fucking proof?
How is that the solution WHAT SO EVER to what I said? That is an entirely unrelated problem.
Again, how is this in anyway a cogent response to MY post, and not a tangentially different one?
You clearly want a plutocracy because you think you'll fit right in with them.[/QUOTE]
We'll be living in a plutocracy with Clinton anyway. Anyone who says "lmao she says she's super progressive now lol!" must not know about how she said she'd fight the CFTA and then did a 180 once she lost and became secretary of state. Who knows what else she'll 180 on. I see this election (if bernie doesn't win) as a no win situation.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49949002]Like all candidates they promise it same with bernie on X/Y/Z[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean it's not A NON ANSWER LIKE I AM CLAIMING IT IS
But of course, you bring Bernie into because "Hey if I always attack someone rather than make my point I'll escape an ACTUAL discussion"
very trump like.
[QUOTE]Electric cars in the US made cripple Canada oil and dollar value as well as over seas oil, it also makes us the leader for electronic tech development. [/QUOTE]
It still, however, does nothing, what so ever, even in a remotely related tangential capacity, to make your argument that you'll be able to bring back a statistically significant number of jobs.
Also, can you answer me as to why you take every chance to strike out at every other nation, country, person, candidate, or thing you don't like in such a personal "hah we're gonna get you" fashion? Like what kind of american exceptionalism do you truly believe?
[QUOTE]capitalism will determine the price but it will be far better than no work. America isn't responsible what happens to the communities or companies that shut down because your country could not compete.[/QUOTE]
This again, isn't even about my country/ This is about your COUNTRY. And about how it affects YOUR country, and your lower class. But no
Go right ahead, and make this conversation unrelated to the one we're actually having. God forbid you actually have to talk about the issues. Just like Trump.
All flash. No substance.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49949018]Doesn't mean it's not A NON ANSWER LIKE I AM CLAIMING IT IS
But of course, you bring Bernie into because "Hey if I always attack someone rather than make my point I'll escape an ACTUAL discussion"
very trump like. [/QUOTE]
I was bringing up bernie because the name in the thread. Bernie is a commie socialist who would make the world better for everyone but us.
[quote]It still, however, does nothing, what so ever, even in a remotely related tangential capacity, to make your argument that you'll be able to bring back a statistically significant number of jobs.
Also, can you answer me as to why you take every chance to strike out at every other nation, country, person, candidate, or thing you don't like in such a personal "hah we're gonna get you" fashion? Like what kind of american exceptionalism do you truly believe?[/quote]
If the forgien world can't deal with fair trade with America, and they cry why they go poor and homeless when we fix our internal issues; I couldn't care less if you forgot to stand on your own feet.
[quote]This again, isn't even about my country/ This is about your COUNTRY. And about how it affects YOUR country, and your lower class. But no
Go right ahead, and make this conversation unrelated to the one we're actually having. God forbid you actually have to talk about the issues. Just like Trump.
All flash. No substance.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry your country isn't going to be as great as america, but we have no reason to make your country better when we are world police and getting fucked over.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49948682]Computer/Virtualization/cloud engineering.
I love to hear rebuttles on FP because I use them when I spot dipshit Bernie people outside Whole Foods.
It's funny, I love to explain to them how I slept on a povert stricken family floor in a run down neighborhood, bought a car to sleep in through HS, and worked from jr year 37.5 hours to a lot of Community College just so I could live.
The shock and awe when I tell them I am a Trump supporter is hilarious because they are so incubated in the "college experience" most of them don't even fucking know what it means to live to survive.
Yeah build a resume, work a skillset, and change jobs based on it. You'll not stagnate wages thin, I honestly have been working 24+ hours a week since I was 13 just to survive, I had to go infront of a HS counselor to present why I wanted an early work permit so I could afford a black and white TV in 2003...[/QUOTE]
And doing so has clearly cost you any sense of compassion for other human beings. Nobody wants to be you.
You do/did not have a happy life. You intentionally highlight how shitty it was to prove your point. Why would, or rather why should, anyone be subjected to that?
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49949002]Like all candidates they promise it same with bernie on X/Y/Z
Electric cars in the US made cripple Canada oil and dollar value as well as over seas oil, it also makes us the leader for electronic tech development.
capitalism will determine the price but it will be far better than no work. America isn't responsible what happens to the communities or companies that shut down because your country could not compete.[/QUOTE]
Electric cars are pretty amazing and switching over to them would help with climate change in a big way. But I'm confused. You want to push EVs but want to decrease environmental taxes? Introducing a carbon tax like Sanders and Musk have suggested is the best way to push EVs.
[QUOTE]meager 75-85k/yr since 23[/QUOTE]
Yeah, meager.
*facedesk*
[quote]Bernie is a commie socialist who would make the world better for everyone but us.[/quote]
I can reduce a candidate to a carichature really easily: Trump is a big hothead who appeals to the darker side of humanity; his slogan ought to be 'I got mine; screw you'. Why not try something harder and actually defend that like I asked above a couple times when you painted a broad brush over people who support Sanders.
Or were you implying by your silence that Trump isn't 'for me' and is only 'for you'?
[quote]Yeah, meager.[/quote]
If I made that much I sure as hellfire wouldn't be deciding between paying my bills and getting my medical issues properly diagnosed and fixed.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49949029]I was bringing up bernie because the name in the thread. Bernie is a commie socialist who would make the world better for everyone but us.[/QUOTE]
Would you admit that factually he is neither of those things based on the real definition of both of those things nor does he actually desire them
I get you have a childish and intense dislike of him, but you have actually created a fictional character to hate.
It's really enjoyable to watch you have a public mental breakdown.
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If the forgien world can't deal with fair trade with America, and they cry why they go poor and homeless when we fix our internal issues; I couldn't care less if you forgot to stand on your own feet.[/QUOTE]
So you really think you're alone in this world and this world just exists to serve you
You're right of course oh american overlord!
Heavy on the sarcasm there, maybe you couldn't tell.
[QUOTE]I'm sorry your country isn't going to be as great as america, but we have no reason to make your country better when we are world police and getting fucked over.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about that you child.
I was talking about the prohibitive costs AMERICANS would face
But please
Make this about whatever you want
Every time you do
I fucking win.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49949031]And doing so has clearly cost you any sense of compassion for other human beings. Nobody wants to be you.[/quote]
You think I got that when I had to deal with growing up on a maggot infested floor, or having roaches crawl on me? please by all means tell me how you lived 1st-9th grade. While you say no one wants to hear it people with similar thoughs, backgrounds, and opinions are voicing the majority. I mean hell I agree no one wants to be me, because I want trump to bring good jobs and stability to our debt in the country.
[quote]You do/did not have a happy life. You intentionally highlight how shitty it was to prove your point. Why would, or rather why should, anyone be subjected to that?[/QUOTE]
Bernie supporters say "you don't know what it is to be white and poor", and given a non-degree person I shouldn't be doing what I do or making what I make.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;49949045]I can reduce a candidate to a carichature really easily: Trump is a big hothead who appeals to the darker side of humanity; his slogan ought to be 'I got mine; screw you'. Why not try something harder and actually defend that like I asked above a couple times when you painted a broad brush over people who support Sanders.
Or were you implying by your silence that Trump isn't 'for me' and is only 'for you'?[/QUOTE]
woah woah woah man, you gotta stop painting with such a wide brush there. youre being unfair when you talk bad about trump like that.
but youre spot on about bernie though :downs:
-fat white lump, wystan, and john fisher.
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