• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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i wonder how far a social darwinist candidate would get
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49950662]what appears to you as independence and strength of self, appears to others as selfishness[/QUOTE] Maybe so, but people should always care for themselves before caring for others. It's the same way I see foreign policy, fix your own problems before fixing others problems.
[QUOTE=Megadave;49950703]Maybe so, but people should always care for themselves before caring for others. It's the same way I see foreign policy, fix your own problems before fixing others problems.[/QUOTE] For the state! For Mother America! You want to take care of yourself!? Selfish fool! Give up your private property and become One with us!
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49950766]For the state! For Mother America! You want to take care of yourself!? Selfish fool! Give up your private property and become One with us![/QUOTE] If ratings were still a thing in SH I'd rate you dumb for just how stupid that post sounded. American Politics suck, big whoop we've dealt with it for over 100 years.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49950766]For the state! For Mother America! You want to take care of yourself!? Selfish fool! Give up your private property and become One with us![/QUOTE] wow this post says so much about why your politics are dogshit
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49950840]wow this post says so much about why your politics are dogshit[/QUOTE] I can sense where this is going, and I'm just going to stop it right here. Both of our systems are pretty shitty and need massive reforms. There, I just saved us 5 pages of "fuck the queen" and "fuck congress".
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49950840]wow this post says so much about why your politics are dogshit[/QUOTE] To think I just came back here to check on the ongoing aftermath, only to see shit like that getting posted unironically :v:. Like you can't just say "I don't like what the US Government is doing right now" as apposed to "THEY'RE IN THE WATER SUPPLY MAN! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! BAA BAA!"
[QUOTE=Megadave;49950849]I can sense where this is going, and I'm just going to stop it right here. Both of our systems are pretty shitty and need massive reforms. There, I just saved us 5 pages of "fuck the queen" and "fuck congress".[/QUOTE] this is nothing to do with systems it's to do with the alternative to 'caring for yourself before others' is apparently 1984 according to LtKyle2 also if your objection to the british political system was 'fuck the queen' then yes, i'm glad you stopped there [editline]17th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49950854]To think I just came back here to check on the ongoing aftermath, only to see shit like that getting posted unironically :v:. Like you can't just say "I don't like what the US Government is doing right now" as apposed to "THEY'RE IN THE WATER SUPPLY MAN! WAKE UP SHEEPLE! BAA BAA!"[/QUOTE] american politics only works in enormous polar opposites apparently
shit I need to start using sarcasm tags more with my posts.
Caring for yourself before caring for others doesn't work in every respect. Oxygen masks, child care workers, and literally anybody with a job in customer service can tell you this.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49950886]Caring for yourself before caring for others doesn't work in every respect. Oxygen masks, child care workers, and literally anybody with a job in customer service can tell you this.[/QUOTE] Good thing I'm not in customer service, I get a near uncontrollable urge to kill someone when I have to work with people.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49950886]Caring for yourself before caring for others doesn't work in every respect. Oxygen masks, child care workers, and literally anybody with a job in customer service can tell you this.[/QUOTE] Also mothers/parents
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49950896]Good thing I'm not in customer service, I get a near uncontrollable urge to kill someone when I have to work with people.[/QUOTE] Never go out in public, please.
[QUOTE=Pascall;49950904]Never go out in public, please.[/QUOTE] It's hard not to when I have to do that for work, buying groceries, taking the truck for the routine oil change, and other errands. Edit: I actually use to be alright with people, until I started working in customer service. That's when I started to hate everybody.
To paraphrase Mel Brooks, "Gentlemen this is a wonderful country and I hope you go down with it." With people like them this place is sooo utterly f_cked.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49950916]It's hard not to when I have to do that for work, buying groceries, taking the truck for the routine oil change, and other errands. Edit: I actually use to be alright with people, until I started working in customer service. That's when I started to hate everybody.[/QUOTE] why should anybody care about the political opinions of a misanthrope then
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49950916]It's hard not to when I have to do that for work, buying groceries, taking the truck for the routine oil change, and other errands.[/QUOTE] seeya on the news m8
[QUOTE=Megadave;49950595]Because we don't like to be told what the fuck to do. We want to stand out, we want to be different.[/QUOTE] You all want to be different, yet all end up doing the same thing anyways lol.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49951172]why should anybody care about the political opinions of a misanthrope then[/QUOTE] I hate humanity as well, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone has an opinion and should be able to share that opinion. This is an ad hominem based in the fact you'd like to discredit his ideas based on his misanthropic tendencies. It doesn't mean anyone shouldn't care about his opinions, though. Besides this, it's odd that John is apparently working at the age of 25 with a 85k/yr job, yet joined facepunch while he was sleeping in his car, by his own admission. Besides this it is quite honestly funny because he's avoided this thread today thus far, because of hard questions.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49952702]I hate humanity as well, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone has an opinion and should be able to share that opinion. This is an ad hominem based in the fact you'd like to discredit his ideas based on his misanthropic tendencies. It doesn't mean anyone shouldn't care about his opinions, though. Besides this, it's odd that John is apparently working at the age of 25 with a 85k/yr job, yet joined facepunch while he was sleeping in his car, by his own admission. Besides this it is quite honestly funny because he's avoided this thread today thus far, because of hard questions.[/QUOTE] Or he's possibly at work since he apparently has a job.
To be honest, growing up like I did, it's natural to have a disgust for humanity when you see the worst of it. Lawyers wanting to take your home, people stealing your food, etc. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Durandal;49952713]Or he's possibly at work since he apparently has a job.[/QUOTE] Or he's posted 7 minutes ago in another fourm., if you'd bother to check his history.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49952715]To be honest, growing up like I did, it's natural to have a disgust for humanity when you see the worst of it. Lawyers wanting to take your home, people stealing your food, etc. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] Or he's posted 7 minutes ago in another fourm., if you'd bother to check his history.[/QUOTE] My brothers grew up having their house attacked, bricked, molotov'd, because my dad had taken a criminal defense case because [B]no one[/B] else would. My dad did that and suffered the consequences of it, and he became the most giving, loving, caring man imaginable. He suffered immensely for his humanity, and he always pushed on, acting more and more charitabily. At his funeral, we were told a true story by one of his close friends from many years ago. A poor young woman who'd worked for my dad, was going through a terrible divorce. She was beaten and scared, and my dad got that guy out of the house with a phone call. She later discovered due to her family issues, she'd never gotten to pay her hydro bill, and was too poor to do so right then. So she called my dad. My dad fixed it. How'd he fix it? He paid her hydro(power) bill for 12 years out of the goodness of his heart, never asked for thanks, never even told her that's what he'd done. He just told her he'd fix it. She didn't know until she went to check her payments for the power, and realized she had never paid it. My dad had been. That's kindness. My father was born poor on a farm in the middle of nowhere in one of Canadas slowest recovery periods. He learned from that the utmost extreme kindness. People like Fisher learnt all the wrong lessons. My dad died rich and loved. How will you die John?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49950342]i love this idea that having a shitty early-life is a rite of passage for johnfisher but he pulled himself up by his own bootstraps so truly he is the perfect example of why the system works[/QUOTE] As someone DID do those things, I can tell you right now the system is fucked from hell to breakfast, and amount of money spent on this campaign versus the amount of money that could directly used to help people literally DYING from neglect [i]right now as we speak[/i] is obscene and profoundly disgusting. There is no reason for this paradigm to exist other than greed and selfishness, and Trump embodies that directly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49952828]My brothers grew up having their house attacked, bricked, molotov'd, because my dad had taken a criminal defense case because [B]no one[/B] else would. My dad did that and suffered the consequences of it, and he became the most giving, loving, caring man imaginable. He suffered immensely for his humanity, and he always pushed on, acting more and more charitabily. At his funeral, we were told a true story by one of his close friends from many years ago. A poor young woman who'd worked for my dad, was going through a terrible divorce. She was beaten and scared, and my dad got that guy out of the house with a phone call. She later discovered due to her family issues, she'd never gotten to pay her hydro bill, and was too poor to do so right then. So she called my dad. My dad fixed it. How'd he fix it? He paid her hydro(power) bill for 12 years out of the goodness of his heart, never asked for thanks, never even told her that's what he'd done. He just told her he'd fix it. She didn't know until she went to check her payments for the power, and realized she had never paid it. My dad had been. That's kindness. My father was born poor on a farm in the middle of nowhere in one of Canadas slowest recovery periods. He learned from that the utmost extreme kindness. People like Fisher learnt all the wrong lessons. My dad died rich and loved. How will you die John?[/QUOTE] Christ. Canada's not a place to fuck around in. Yeah this "I hate humanity, hrr the edge" shit is so fucking stupid. I can hate people too sometimes, they can be obnoxious or annoying, but I don't "Hate da humans" while I slit my wrists and listen to all the Albums of Linken Park 24/7. I've met cool people, I have a nice little old mexican salon owner I go to once every couple of months for a hair cut and she's the nicest thing ever in this neighborhood where all the good people moved away or died, and were replaced by trashy gangbanger wannabes. Plus I have the fine people on my steam friend list and here on Facepunch. While I'm sure we might never meet in the real world, that doesn't mean I can't be a good person here. It's too easy to be an asshat and go "IT'S DA INTERWEBS, YOU DON'T KNOW ME IRL, LOLSKIS."
[QUOTE=_Axel;49950469]The mentality of some Americans is astonishing. How can you be so individualistic?[/QUOTE][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_of_the_Self[/url]
The US was established on the idea of individualism, it is who we are. I just want to look out for myself and those close to me first. I'm sure as hell not going to trust the federal government with something as vital as healthcare when I can look at the NHS in the UK and see they're running a 2 billion deficit and such a problem would easily happen here. If you want universal healthcare, go to Colorado and vote for their universal state plan they'll vote on this fall. Pay into it. Prove to the rest of the country it can work in America.
And a very substantial part of that right is the responsibility of the individual to uphold the tenets of the state, something we had to be reminded of when capitalism got the fuck out of pocket. "OF the people, for the people, BY the people" The nation is only as good as the character of those whom comprise it.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953359]The US was established on the idea of individualism, it is who we are. I just want to look out for myself and those close to me first. I'm sure as hell not going to trust the federal government with something as vital as healthcare when I can look at the NHS in the UK and see they're running a 2 billion deficit and such a problem would easily happen here. If you want universal healthcare, go to Colorado and vote for their universal state plan they'll vote on this fall. Pay into it. Prove to the rest of the country it can work in America.[/QUOTE] The NHS running a deficit doesn't mean the NHS isn't spending money the way it should, it could just as easily mean that it's underfunded. The population is getting older, treatments are getting more expensive, and the government doesn't want to increase the budget (and really it wants to cut funding). Either the NHS decides to not do its task this year (which would be dumb), or it runs a deficit. That's my understanding either way. Anyway it's still way cheaper (while providing care to the [I]whole[/I] population) than what you Americans got going on, so why are you trusting the private sector exactly? It's irrational.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953359]The US was established on the idea of individualism, it is who we are. I just want to look out for myself and those close to me first. I'm sure as hell not going to trust the federal government with something as vital as healthcare when I can look at the NHS in the UK and see they're running a 2 billion deficit and such a problem would easily happen here. If you want universal healthcare, go to Colorado and vote for their universal state plan they'll vote on this fall. Pay into it. Prove to the rest of the country it can work in America.[/QUOTE] And american health care costing more and more every year for profit motives is what exactly? A sign of a good system?
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;49953434]The NHS running a deficit doesn't mean the NHS isn't spending money the way it should, it could just as easily mean that it's underfunded. The population is getting older, treatments are getting more expensive, and the government doesn't want to increase the budget (and really it wants to cut funding). Either the NHS decides to not do its task this year (which would be dumb), or it runs a deficit. That's my understanding either way. Anyway it's still way cheaper (while providing care to the [I]whole[/I] population) than what you Americans got going on, so why are you trusting the private sector exactly? It's irrational.[/QUOTE] Underfunded, same problem in my eyes. Who is responsible for that? The government in charge. Obama promised universal coverage and said he disagreed with Hillary Clinton's idea for mandating people buy insurance or get penalized. Instead, he did exactly what she said. I just can't bring myself to trust the federal government. It is a poor system, and it will be that way for a long time because no one cares enough in this country for change.
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