• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953359]The US was established on the idea of individualism, it is who we are. I just want to look out for myself and those close to me first. I'm sure as hell not going to trust the federal government with something as vital as healthcare when I can look at the NHS in the UK and see they're running a 2 billion deficit and such a problem would easily happen here. If you want universal healthcare, go to Colorado and vote for their universal state plan they'll vote on this fall. Pay into it. Prove to the rest of the country it can work in America.[/QUOTE] you care about your freedom more than anything else but you're against a system that essentially stops medical problems from bankrupting you through no fault of your own, and prevents you from being screwed by faceless corporate giants who will force you and your country to pay up far larger sums for sub-par treatment than a government tax. you know what i like most about nationalized healthcare? i'm free of the fear that i'll be put in debt that i've got no chance to escape from because of things i had no way of avoiding. you only think you're more free than i am because you have the illusion of choice at the cost of a disgustingly exploitative market and a far worse personal outcome.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49952702]I hate humanity as well, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone has an opinion and should be able to share that opinion. This is an ad hominem based in the fact you'd like to discredit his ideas based on his misanthropic tendencies.[B] It doesn't mean anyone shouldn't care about his opinions, though.[/B] [/QUOTE] it kinda does tho when misanthropes hold anti-human views and government is a human institution that (ideally) concerns itself with humans and improving human lives. whats the point in listening to the thoughts of someone who hates humans when it comes to something that has a profound impact on humans?
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953488]Underfunded, same problem in my eyes. Who is responsible for that? The government in charge. Obama promised universal coverage and said he disagreed with Hillary Clinton's idea for mandating people buy insurance or get penalized. Instead, he did exactly what she said. I just can't bring myself to trust the federal government. It is a poor system, and it will be that way for a long time because no one cares enough in this country for change.[/QUOTE] Obama =/= Government Obama can't go around the senate or the house. Even blaming the president for the multi-trillion dollar deficit you guys are running (guess the NHS looks pretty good in comparison to that) is pretty dumb - the prez can't pass a budget on his own, and he's legally obligated to spend what's in the budget, deficit or not.
[QUOTE=Cone;49953508]you care about your freedom more than anything else but you're against a system that essentially stops medical problems from bankrupting you through no fault of your own, and prevents you from being screwed by faceless corporate giants who will force you and your country to pay up far larger sums for sub-par treatment than a government tax. you know what i like most about nationalized healthcare? i'm free of the fear that i'll be put in debt that i've got no chance to escape from because of things i had no way of avoiding. you only think you're more free than i am because you have the illusion of choice at the cost of a disgustingly exploitative market and a far worse personal outcome.[/QUOTE] It will never happen within the next half century at the least. Sanders campaign has lost all hope by now. Hillary Clinton will go back on her mirrored stances of Sanders and keep the status quo in place.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953359][B]The US was established on the idea of individualism, it is who we are. [/B] I just want to look out for myself and those close to me first. I'm sure as hell not going to trust the federal government with something as vital as healthcare when I can look at the NHS in the UK and see they're running a 2 billion deficit and such a problem would easily happen here. If you want universal healthcare, go to Colorado and vote for their universal state plan they'll vote on this fall. Pay into it. Prove to the rest of the country it can work in America.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party"]Some people, ostensibly including George "I was the motherfucking first president" Washington, might tend to disagree.[/URL] In fact, the U.S. was more founded on the idea that a bunch of rich men should get to self-govern and determine on their own how they would fuck their slaves and truck their own cotton without no damn Great Britain telling them how to do it. Meanwhile, anyone who didn't own land (and a LOT of people were [I]legally forbidden from owning land[/I] for various reasons) simply had no participatory voice in government. Not to mention institutions like the draft, the Union's denial of State's rights, or even slavery being endorsed at the highest levels of government well after vogue (and no, we do not get a magical free pass just because we had to have a [I]war[/I] to get rid of it.) In [I]further[/I] fact, 'rugged individualism' is something [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugged_individualism"]that was fundamentally made up by a presidential administration so bad it had shanty towns named after it.[/URL] And you think a 2 billion dollar deficit is bad? Although I'm not typically one to bang on it, We spent 598.5 [I]billion[/I] of our 1.11 [B]TRILLION[/B] dollars of discretionary spending on the military. Although that is money that enriches the beneficiaries of the Military Industrial Complex, that sure as shit is hardly being spent fixing roads, improving poverty and education rates, or in fact doing anything tangible for the common man. While you may feel safer for the military-theater of hearing about dronestrikes that have racked up ten, twenty, fifty, five-hundred kills, you should probably much more unhappy when say, preventable heart disease does more damage to the American economy than even theoretical terrorist activities.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953521]It will never happen within the next half century at the least. Sanders campaign has lost all hope by now. Hillary Clinton will go back on her mirrored stances of Sanders and keep the status quo in place.[/QUOTE] I didn't say universal healthcare would be passed in the US at any point, though. You said the federal government couldn't run anything, citing the NHS, then I argued that the NHS deficit is basically self-imposed, and pointed out that the current US system is much worse (so obviously the fed is capable of running [I]some[/I] services more efficiently than the private sector), while still racking up a very large national deficit. Then you say you don't trust the government because Obama couldn't pass universal healthcare or whatever, but that's obviously a deficiency spawned by the American people voting the way they are (and the US system with the Senate + the House having alternating years for elections being very conservative), not Obama or the government as a concept. You can have an opinion on whether that's good or not, but it honestly (sorry for being blunt) doesn't seem like you've done much research before forming your opinions. Resignation is a pretty common reaction to US politics, but things are slowly moving in the right direction.
[QUOTE=Nautsabes;49953512]it kinda does tho when misanthropes hold anti-human views and government is a human institution that (ideally) concerns itself with humans and improving human lives. whats the point in listening to the thoughts of someone who hates humans when it comes to something that has a profound impact on humans?[/QUOTE] In my experience, people with misanthropic tendencies like myself don't exactly believe in a profound hatred for humanity, but in most cases are disgusted by it. He never said he hated humanity as a whole and wished for the entire extinguishment of the human race, like many hardlime misanthropes believe. Besides this, most of them (not like me) have never been listened to, and disregarding their opinion only proves their thought process, further cleaving them from humanity. Beyond this, disregarding their opinion lets them disregard yours. Hoe can you argue with something you won't even listen to? It's worse than Christian college students walking out when women talk about their experience with anti-abortionists. When you alienate any group, you have people like Trump pander to that group, and if you leave them for long enough at the fringe, you see them become more and more extreme in their views. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953521]It will never happen within the next half century at the least. Sanders campaign has lost all hope by now. Hillary Clinton will go back on her mirrored stances of Sanders and keep the status quo in place.[/QUOTE] Not exactly. It's still pretty even. If he pushes to the end he can win although it's unlikely
People don't alienate misanthropes ? ? They do it to themselves.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49953615]In my experience, people with misanthropic tendencies like myself don't exactly believe in a profound hatred for humanity, but in most cases are disgusted by it. He never said he hated humanity as a whole and wished for the entire extinguishment of the human race, like many hardlime misanthropes believe. Besides this, most of them (not like me) have never been listened to, and disregarding their opinion only proves their thought process, further cleaving them from humanity. Beyond this, disregarding their opinion lets them disregard yours. Hoe can you argue with something you won't even listen to? It's worse than Christian college students walking out when women talk about their experience with anti-abortionists. When you alienate any group, you have people like Trump pander to that group, and if you leave them for long enough at the fringe, you see them become more and more extreme in their views.[/QUOTE] i was just going off what he said which was "i hate everyone". never thot he wanted to extinguish the species, but it does sound like humanity as a whole. and its totally okay if he disregards my opinion. i disregards his because honestly it seems ridiculous to me to hate humans and then want to partake in something like government since government should (ideally) be helping out humans. what good could anti-human thought possibly bring to the table in this regard? i cant think of anything and so to me the entire excercise seems pointless and whats the point in doing something pointless e: i mean honestly, if someone hates humans, then why would they care about what humans think about things in the first place
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49953521]It will never happen within the next half century at the least. Sanders campaign has lost all hope by now. Hillary Clinton will go back on her mirrored stances of Sanders and keep the status quo in place.[/QUOTE] For only 4-8 years. Then she goes and we hopefully get someone better. Same as every 4-8 years.
Anyone here going to the trump rally in AZ? Debating driving my BMW but don't want it keyed.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49953817]Anyone here going to the trump rally in AZ? Debating driving my BMW but don't want it keyed.[/QUOTE] it's okay, auto insurance would handl- oh right you hate insurance
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49953826]it's okay, auto insurance would handl- oh right you hate insurance[/QUOTE] I have insurance since paying the fine is more costly than the fee to the MDV(yeah it is called that here) in Arizona. I'm trying to sell it though so I can get a newer model though. Then again I could donate it to charity so I don't have to pay any tax
And Sanders just conceded Missouri to Clinton.
Clinton currently has twice as many delegates as Sanders, and is half way to the nomination. He could take every single delegate in the next 6 states this month, and still wouldn't come even close to Hillary.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49956163]Clinton currently has twice as many delegates as Sanders, and is half way to the nomination. He could take every single delegate in the next 6 states this month, and still wouldn't come even close to Hillary.[/QUOTE] Sanders is 300 or so pledged delegates behind Hillary. The rest of the states are heavily pro-sanders. If/when Sanders makes up that 300 delegate deficit (which is more than possible), the superdelegates should flip like they did with Obama. If they don't, and the nomination is decided by superdelegates, then shit will hopefully hit the fan big time.
Is it actually still going on? I thought the primaries were over by now.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956300]Is it actually still going on? I thought the primaries were over by now.[/QUOTE] Half the states have had their primaries. The primary calendar goes all the way through June.
When I ask, I mean I thought it was really over, not just the chance a Bernie supporter is grasping at straws. I'm saying that in the nicest way possible of course. I meant really is it over?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956381]When I ask, I mean I thought it was really over, not just the chance a Bernie supporter is grasping at straws. I'm saying that in the nicest way possible of course. I meant really is it over?[/QUOTE] In that case, not in the least. Sanders is in half time now and according to their press releases and calls, their internal polls of the remaining states are looking favorable.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49956384]he'd need a legit miracle to win at this point, it's not over but it might as well be[/QUOTE] That's what I figured. I have no hate for Bernie, but I knew since the evening of the 15th that Bernie Boys would hold on for dear life to ANYTHING to keep the idea that Bernie can win with the power of Disney magic and fairy dust. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] It's very very easy to post that Sanders still has a chance, when the numbers show Hiliary getting ahead. Even praying for the miracle Obama got 8 years ago is like praying for Lighting to strike twice. A candle that Berns twice as bright Berns half as long.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956392]That's what I figured. I have no hate for Bernie, but I knew since the evening of the 15th that Bernie Boys would hold on for dear life to ANYTHING to keep the idea that Bernie can win with the power of Disney magic and fairy dust. [editline]18th March 2016[/editline] It's very very easy to post that Sanders still has a chance, when the numbers show Hiliary getting ahead. Even praying for the miracle Obama got 8 years ago is like praying for Lighting to strike twice. A candle that Berns twice as bright Berns half as long.[/QUOTE] It's legit not a miracle. Like I said, Hillary is ahead by 300 delegates, the remaining states are pro-bernie, and the campaign itself, according to their private internal polling data, is very optimistic.
Ok do you have an unbiased source for this then? Or are you one of those Bernie supporters in denial that Bernie lost?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956426]Ok do you have an unbiased source for this then? Or are you one of those Bernie supporters in denial that Bernie lost?[/QUOTE] Just their own press release on the second super tuesday results. [URL]https://soundcloud.com/bernie_sanders/path-forward-press-call-bernie-2016[/URL] If you look at the data, Sanders is surging everywhere, making up 30-40 point deficits into near ties, and if the campaign continues the way it has, then it's very possible for him to overtake her in pledged delegates. I'm not exactly a desperate sanders supporter "in denial" about anything. I just think that America deserves a person that actually cares for its citizens. If/when sanders loses I'll be disappointed, but honestly I'm more into Estonian politics than US politics.
So do I, but I'm realistic. This isn't Hollywood, underdogs don't win all the time. Jesus of Nazereth could come back down to earth and run for President, and lose too. All we can do is cast our primary vote for Sanders, cross our fingers, and if he doesn't win, then vote for Hiliary because she promises 4 quiet stable years of administration, which is better than Trumps "Let's rock this mother fucking boat!".
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;49956481]So do I, but I'm realistic. This isn't Hollywood, underdogs don't win all the time. Jesus of Nazereth could come back down to earth and run for President, and lose too. All we can do is cast our primary vote for Sanders, cross our fingers, and if he doesn't win, then vote for Hiliary because she promises 4 quiet stable years of administration, which is better than Trumps "Let's rock this mother fucking boat!".[/QUOTE] I really think you are being a lot more pessimistic than realistic, you didn't even know half the states haven't gone yet
538 concedes it's not impossible for Sanders to still win the nomination at this point; just that doing so will require a minor miracle (e.g. defying the projections and polls again, in a major way, a couple times) - or for Clinton to make an enormous slip-up. At this point it's mostly in Clinton's hands - if she can manage to not sabotage herself it's looking pretty darn good that she'll be the Democratic Presidential Candidate. What Bernie needs to do to win at this point is 'throw the table over' and completely ruin the projections on a major state like NY. A major NY victory would be a big blow to Clinton - knocking her down in her home state, a state with tons of delegates up for grabs - could be one of those moments that could cause her to start slipping towards losing the nomination.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;49956496]538 concedes it's not impossible for Sanders to still win the nomination at this point; just that doing so will require a minor miracle (e.g. defying the projections and polls again, in a major way, a couple times) - or for Clinton to make an enormous slip-up. At this point it's mostly in Clinton's hands - if she can manage to not sabotage herself it's looking pretty darn good that she'll be the Democratic Presidential Candidate.[/QUOTE] It already feels like she's been trying to sabotage her campaign this whole time and [I]people just don't give a shit.[/I]
[QUOTE=Noah Gibbs;49956491]I really think you are being a lot more pessimistic than realistic, you didn't even know half the states haven't gone yet[/QUOTE] The thing is, this is the internet, Sanders could still have a chance in hell, or he might not, and I'm being told he could by Bernie fans just upset that he might lose, and we'll have to deal with canidates you don't like. I already said it alot and I'll say it again. I like Bernie Sanders. I [b]voted[/b] for Bernie Sanders. All I can do is wait, listen, and be ready in case his chances falter. I did my part for this Primary, and even before the 15th I had a gut feeling like all the others here in this thread that he probably wasn't going to much, despite how much I, and others wanted him to. We could call her Shiliary, and blame others for it, but at the end of the day, if it comes down to Hiliary vs Trump, the best we can do is vote smart in THAT election. By which I mean please don't give it to Trump because folks are mad that Bernie lost.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49956273] If/when Sanders makes up that 300 delegate deficit (which is more than possible), the superdelegates should flip like they did with Obama.[/QUOTE] Except that never happened with Obama.
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