• 3/15 Primaries - "I can't believe it's not Bernie! ®" Edition, Paid for by Hillary for America
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[QUOTE=Govna;49939076]We need the student loan bubble to burst. It's at around $1.2 trillion currently, and if it were to go, then we'd be hurled into another recession-- if not a full-on depression. A financial catastrophe of that scale I think would hurt people so badly that they'd be desperate enough to try and take matters into their own hands. Desperation is always what's needed for the most sweeping of political revolutions to take place. Put people down for long enough, make them desperate and insecure, take away a lot of things that make life worth living to them... and after a while they feel they've got nothing left to lose, they understand the current setup of things is not working for them, and then they eventually decide to do something about it. None of us actually know where things are headed, but the future is certainly going to be interesting at the rate things are going. They have interesting for several years now. Something is coming.[/QUOTE] Well I hope that whatever it is that you are so eagerly waiting for, is that you're first in the firing line.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49938958]Putin isn't a retard, he doesn't want a confrontation with the US and NATO because he knows he would lose. He's already feeling the pressure from the sanctions, some hardcore diplomatic pressure right now would go a long way. And with ISIS, again it's the emotional side of your brain talking. "They're terries they can't be reasoned with." "Diplomacy is the most powerful tool at the disposal of every country in the fight against modern terrorism" [URL]http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Publications/Detail/?lang=en&id=135731[/URL][/QUOTE] So you think we ought to debate ISIS' existence with them? Ask them to cease to exist politely? You think ISIS can be defeated with anything other than the military?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49939096]Well I hope that whatever it is that you are so eagerly waiting for, is that you're first in the firing line.[/QUOTE] It's quite easy to see this is either going to make or break the country. Enough anger that at this point we have more fighting in than out of the country.
[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;49938996]Yeah cause bombing Moscow will get us some positive results, right?[/QUOTE] We need to show Putin that he can't just invade any country he damn well pleases. In 1990s when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, the entire world came to their defense. When russia invades Ukraine, we all strongly object with harsh words.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939118]So you think we ought to debate ISIS' existence with them? Ask them to cease to exist politely? You think ISIS can be defeated with anything other than the military?[/QUOTE] I don't know if you understand diplomacy. We get the Saudis and a coalition of states, not the US to do the heavy lifting. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=proboardslol;49939129]We need to show Putin that he can't just invade any country he damn well pleases. In 1990s when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, the entire world came to their defense. When russia invades Ukraine, we all strongly object with harsh words.[/QUOTE] Saddam didn't have nukes
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939129]We need to show Putin that he can't just invade any country he damn well pleases. In 1990s when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, the entire world came to their defense. When russia invades Ukraine, we all strongly object with harsh words.[/QUOTE] Except that there's a pretty significant power gap between Saddam's Iraq and Putin's Russia, which is why one gets a softer response than the other
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939129]We need to show Putin that he can't just invade any country he damn well pleases. In 1990s when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, the entire world came to their defense. When russia invades Ukraine, we all strongly object with harsh words.[/QUOTE] The fact that you don't see the difference in those two scenarios means you have no concept of what's going on in the world.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939118]So you think we ought to debate ISIS' existence with them? Ask them to cease to exist politely? You think ISIS can be defeated with anything other than the military?[/QUOTE] It's called getting the countries in that region to deal with the problem instead of putting boots on the ground ourselves which has gone so well. Heck, to my understanding Europe isn't too happy with the US military bases either and they are culturally far more similar to the US than the Middle East is.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49939137]I don't know if you understand diplomacy. We get the Saudis and a coalition of states, not the US to do the heavy lifting.[/quote] Right, get the very people who created ISIS to defeat ISIS. Why should we do that? Why shouldn't the most powerful military in the world destroy ISIS? Why should we rely on the corrupt and incompetent local militaries to deal with an international terror threat? [Quote] Saddam didn't have nukes[/QUOTE] Wrong war
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939118]So you think we ought to debate ISIS' existence with them? Ask them to cease to exist politely? You think ISIS can be defeated with anything other than the military?[/QUOTE] Again, it's your emotional brain talking there. The data shows that diplomacy is the only thing that works against terrorists. [url]http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Publications/Detail/?lang=en&id=135731[/url] Read the article I sent you, it's PDF form but free, and a short read. "There are still no clear results regarding the success of the use of U.S. military power in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it has become clear that the United States is losing the war of ideas, and that the international public is starting to express doubts about the war on terrorism" "the pictures and videos that became public in Spring 2004 that showed the torture of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops in the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad had a severe negative impact on the United States’ standing in Iraq and on the opinions of the foreign public when it comes to the war on terrorism. Also, as a result of these incidents, the U.S. damaged its credibility with Muslim publics across the Middle East, and Islamist extremists used these incidents of torture as an excuse to justify the murders of civilians in the United States." "“Soft power” also includes propaganda, but its scope is wider than that of propaganda itself. It includes real power—that is, the ability to achieve a goal. When a country is capable of persuading other countries of the validity of its ideas and values, and of creating a situation in which other countries wish to have the same goals and wishes, then the use of “hard power” is rendered unnecessary, and the “carrot-andstick” approach becomes obsolete." "Since 2001, U.S. foreign policy has become extremely unpopular abroad—especially during the last Iraq War—thereby strengthening anti-American feelings and causing a further decline in American soft power"
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49939166]The fact that you don't see the difference in those two scenarios means you have no concept of what's going on in the world.[/QUOTE] I see the difference, but I see the hypocrisy as well. Putin should not be allowed to annex any country he wants without consequence. The US should be providing military aid to Ukraine to prevent a russian invasion
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939189]Right, get the very people who created ISIS to defeat ISIS. Why should we do that? Why shouldn't the most powerful military in the world destroy ISIS? Why should we rely on the corrupt and incompetent local militaries to deal with an international terror threat? Wrong war[/QUOTE] Yes, why should the most conventual army in the world go to war with an entity that they have had trouble facing for the past 13 years, getting Americans killed and inflaming the ranks of isis, causing them to grow. That's a smart idea. You've servely missed the point if you don't know I'm not talking about the 2003 Iraq war.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;49939191]Again, it's your emotional brain talking there. The data shows that diplomacy is the only thing that works against terrorists. [url]http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Publications/Detail/?lang=en&id=135731[/url] Read the article I sent you, it's PDF form but free, and a short read. "There are still no clear results regarding the success of the use of U.S. military power in Afghanistan and Iraq, but it has become clear that the United States is losing the war of ideas, and that the international public is starting to express doubts about the war on terrorism" "the pictures and videos that became public in Spring 2004 that showed the torture of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops in the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad had a severe negative impact on the United States’ standing in Iraq and on the opinions of the foreign public when it comes to the war on terrorism. Also, as a result of these incidents, the U.S. damaged its credibility with Muslim publics across the Middle East, and Islamist extremists used these incidents of torture as an excuse to justify the murders of civilians in the United States." "“Soft power” also includes propaganda, but its scope is wider than that of propaganda itself. It includes real power—that is, the ability to achieve a goal. When a country is capable of persuading other countries of the validity of its ideas and values, and of creating a situation in which other countries wish to have the same goals and wishes, then the use of “hard power” is rendered unnecessary, and the “carrot-andstick” approach becomes obsolete." "Since 2001, U.S. foreign policy has become extremely unpopular abroad—especially during the last Iraq War—thereby strengthening anti-American feelings and causing a further decline in American soft power"[/QUOTE] Bombs work against terrorists, diplomacy works against terrorism. I'm not saying there's no place for diplomacy in the world, but that ISIS can't be defeated with diplomacy. ISIS has to be destroyed by the military. Post-war we can talk about hearts and minds but there's no real choice other than the use force against ISIS
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49939137]Saddam didn't have nukes[/QUOTE] What a stupid argument. The US has nukes, several European nations have nukes. Russia isn't going to start lobbing nukes over Ukraine; Putin doesn't want to lose all of his power by turning Russia into a nuclear wasteland. [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;49939163]Except that there's a pretty significant power gap between Saddam's Iraq and Putin's Russia, which is why one gets a softer response than the other[/QUOTE] Which is exactly the problem. No nation is willing to stand up to someone who could hurt them, so why stand up at all. The nations that attacked Iraq but won't do the same against Putin are just bullies; they only pick on who they can beat up easily, running away from fights that might bloody them.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939218]Bombs work against terrorists, diplomacy works against terrorism. I'm not saying there's no place for diplomacy in the world, but that ISIS can't be defeated with diplomacy. ISIS has to be destroyed by the military. Post-war we can talk about hearts and minds but there's no real choice other than the use force against ISIS[/QUOTE] Bombs work against terrorists. Bombs work IN FAVOR OF terrorism.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49938437]There's always plan b. [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution[/url][/QUOTE] Please no.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;49939220]What a stupid argument. The US has nukes, several European nations have nukes. Russia isn't going to start lobbing nukes over Ukraine; Putin doesn't want to lose all of his power by turning Russia into a nuclear wasteland.[/QUOTE] That's an unfounded and dangerous assumption.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;49939214]Yes, why should the most conventual army in the world go to war with an entity that they have had trouble facing for the past 13 years, getting Americans killed and inflaming the ranks of isis, causing them to grow. That's a smart idea.[/quote] Isis is not the same issue we've faced for 13 years. I think it's fine to look at things in hind sight, but when you've got an army at your doorstep committing terror attacks in first world countries and committing genocide, we have no choice. I'm sure there were people who said "perhaps the treaty of Versailles was too strong on the germans" as hitler was rounding up Jews and exterminating them, but that's a bit moot by that point isn't it? [Quote]You've servely missed the point if you don't know I'm not talking about the 2003 Iraq war.[/QUOTE] I get what you mean, I thought you were saying that the 2003 invasion was illegal because of the WMD situation, but I get what you meant now
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;49938737]There's benefits to bernie losing. More people will start to believe that there is something that is broken that deserves to be fixed.[/QUOTE] Or we'll be too busy living our lives to even care. Unless a President does something that severely rocks the entire boat, no one is really gonna care so long as Hiliary or Trump keeps it quiet on the Domestic front.
[QUOTE=Obama Yo Momma;49938681]I canvassed for Bernie some more yesterday in some pretty poverty stricken areas in North Florida. Maybe had 4 strong Bernies, 2 strong Clinton, and the other 20 were undecided. A lot of the undecideds I talk to just were discouraged about voting in general they seemed to like Bernie but didn't want to vote him for due to the "people behind the curtains not wanting him in."[/QUOTE] Thank you for volunteering man! Every little bit counts.
30 minutes till polls close in Florida, 45minutes - 1 hour before results start coming in
My roommates and I all voted today for the first time. I felt so responsible.
I'm not too optimistic for Sanders, my hope for him getting the nod has kind of burned away.
For the polls closing in ~20 minutes they were really busy where I am at in FL. Which is good. Good luck to all candidates except Hillary.
[QUOTE=Chrisordie;49939574]I'm not too optimistic for Sanders, my hope for him getting the nod has kind of burned away.[/QUOTE] You mean, [I]berned[/I] away? or has he dropped the meme now :v:
[QUOTE=Sgt.Sgt;49939637]For the polls closing in ~20 minutes they were really busy where I am at in FL. Good luck to all candidates except Hillary.[/QUOTE] You're extending your luck to Cruz and Trump but not Hillary? Interesting. Personally, I also wish Little Marco luck because he might die of depression if he loses badly.
Clinton has FL, no doubt. Hate seeing Sanders die down in the primaries but I guess it was destined to happen, fuckin' sucks.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49939644]You're extending your luck to Cruz and Trump but not Hillary? Interesting. Personally, I also wish Little Marco luck because he might die of depression if he loses badly.[/QUOTE] Well I am registered as a republican so I voted for Trump. But as I said good luck to all except Hillary.
[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49939239]That's an unfounded and dangerous assumption.[/QUOTE] And that's a very ignorant and, maybe, even naive assumption.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;49939647]Clinton has FL, no doubt. Hate seeing Sanders die down in the primaries but I guess it was destined to happen, fuckin' sucks.[/QUOTE] any exit polls to confirm that bc i think sanders has a real chance after those debates [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] he'll lose Ohio tho
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