[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51661202]The fact America is going from these two great men to evil hateful twats like Trump and Pence honestly upsets me.[/QUOTE]
snip I'm retarded
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51661828]Yeah I mean ultimately, deep down, I do think he's a malicious, hateful bully.
But I don't believe Svinnik would ever read that, and then choose to respond in an honest and integral way.
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thanks for calling me a liar and saying i lack integrity for posting my opinion that trump isn't an evil literal villain
I didn't vote Trump because I like him, I voted for him because he was better for my issues that I care about. Trump might be malicious and a bully, I don't care really. He's good for my issues and while he might be a dick, as long as he does what he promises then I'm fine with him.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661896]as long as he does what he promises then I'm fine with him.[/QUOTE]
good luck with that
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51661902]good luck with that[/QUOTE]
too early to judge, isnt even president yet
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661896]thanks for calling me a liar and saying i lack integrity for posting my opinion that trump isn't an evil literal villain
I didn't vote Trump because I like him, I voted for him because he was better for my issues that I care about. Trump might be malicious and a bully, I don't care really. He's good for my issues and while he might be a dick, as long as he does what he promises then I'm fine with him.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying that though? I'm saying that if I phrased my hatred as honestly as possible, you'd dismiss it offhand because it's not of value.
I'd rather tone my opinions down to try and get to a middle ground for the time being. I don't know why or how you could just not care if the president is a bully. Literally don't understand that at all.
His promises are already falling flat in many, many areas.
[editline]12th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661915]too early to judge, isnt even president yet[/QUOTE]
So if plans are being laid, fulfilled, and readied, we still can't comment on how those plans relate to the previous promises because "it hasn't happened yet" though those things have happened already?
What would you like for us Trump doubters to say? Nothing what so ever? What level of complaint or displeasure is "okay"?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661915]too early to judge, isnt even president yet[/QUOTE]
He's already turned around on many of the issues he's promised on. Why should his word prior to the election be more credible than after it?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661915]too early to judge, isnt even president yet[/QUOTE]
If he does what he says he will, he will destroy the country
If he doesn't do what he says he will, then he was running on a lie and you got fucking played
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So if plans are being laid, fulfilled, and readied, we still can't comment on how those plans relate to the previous promises because "it hasn't happened yet" though those things have happened already?
What would you like for us Trump doubters to say? Nothing what so ever? What level of complaint or displeasure is "okay"?[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying you can't complain, it's your right to. I'm personally withholding judgement until he can actually do something.
'withholding judgement until he's in office':
The last bastion of those who can't defend Trump, but really [i]really[/i] want to for some reason. Probably because their pride doesn't allow them to admit that they were wrong.
"He isnt even in office yet!" the man said, completely ignoring literally everything that's happened in the past 3 months
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51661202]The fact America is going from these two great men to evil hateful twats like Trump and Pence honestly upsets me.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring all the politics and their stances on issues. Biden, Pence and Obama feel like individuals you can talk to and wouldn't stand out as being very different outside politics. You know, just regular people.
Trump just seems to be weird.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661896]thanks for calling me a liar and saying i lack integrity for posting my opinion that trump isn't an evil literal villain
I didn't vote Trump because I like him, I voted for him because he was better for my issues that I care about. Trump might be malicious and a bully, I don't care really. He's good for my issues and while he might be a dick, as long as he does what he promises then I'm fine with him.[/QUOTE]
Hes backpedaled on all of his promises so far
[QUOTE=The golden;51661981]He's outright admitted he's not going to be doing the things he said he would do. I don't understand these mental gymnastics.[/QUOTE]
He's fulfilling what I elected him for. He's already appointed a very good Israel ambassador and is making steps towards having the ambassador live in Jerusalem. While he walked back from an embassy in Jerusalem, it's still a major improvement. On immigration, it's yet to be seen what he's going to actually do since he's giving indications that he might keep people under the DREAM act and also giving indications that he might deport them, idk. For international relations, it's sketchy what's going to happen but the US is more likely to be friendlier with Russia which seems like a good thing. I'm neutral thanks to that.
I don't get how you can not care that a bully is the president. Not just any old bully. A fucking horrible bully.
What standard are we setting for kids? I already know one 9 year old who uses Trump as a role model, and he's fucking Canadian. When bullying is something the president does, that gives every fucking bully in America, fuck it, the world, the balls to stand up and be a bigger bully. It's not even a political thing, it's just how the mindset and morale of the nation work. And I don't want the highest office in the land, the most powerful man in the world, to be a bully so that every other bully has someone to aspire to.
Fuck that.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51662059]Is that really all you care about in a president?[/QUOTE]
No but these are the main issues that I care about. I would love to have a perfect president who was good on all the issues and magically knew what to do but that's not how the world works. I had a choice between Trump and Clinton, I chose Trump because overall, I thought he was better for my issues and the country at large. If it would have been Jeb! or Cruz I would have voted for them as well. Anyone that the republicans had was better than clinton.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51662086]No but these are the main issues that I care about. I would love to have a perfect president who was good on all the issues and magically knew what to do but that's not how the world works. I had a choice between Trump and Clinton, I chose Trump because overall, I thought he was better for my issues and the country at large. If it would have been Jeb! or Cruz I would have voted for them as well. Anyone that the republicans had was better than clinton.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious, Considering how bad the guy is shaping up to be, What issues did you feel Trump would handle in a preferable manner to the dems?
Its like when your crazy bitch mother wins custody over your nice father, and then you see your mother's new douchebag boyfriend roll in the driveway.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51662086]No but these are the main issues that I care about. I would love to have a perfect president who was good on all the issues and magically knew what to do but that's not how the world works. I had a choice between Trump and Clinton, I chose Trump because overall, I thought he was better for my issues and the country at large. If it would have been Jeb! or Cruz I would have voted for them as well. Anyone that the republicans had was better than clinton.[/QUOTE]
Why was Clinton so bad?
[QUOTE=fulgrim;51662147]I'm curious, Considering how bad the guy is shaping up to be, What issues did you feel Trump would handle in a preferable manner to the dems?[/QUOTE]
Trump for sure would be more willing to work with Russia and Israel. Clinton has had a rivalry with Putin and she's on cold terms with Bibi. His stance on China is sketchy though, clinton is probably better in that regard. While I don't agree with him getting rid of Obamacare wholesale, there were a lot of things that it had wrong with it and clinton's position of expanding it was not a good idea.. His position on illegal immigration and making it easier to immigrate to the US is good as well, considering clinton wanted to give illegal immigrants access to healthcare and make a lot of illegal immigrants legal.
He's shit but this election was picking between a blue turd and a red turd. I picked the red turd.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51662070]I don't get how you can not care that a bully is the president. Not just any old bully. A fucking horrible bully.
What standard are we setting for kids? I already know one 9 year old who uses Trump as a role model, and he's fucking Canadian. When bullying is something the president does, that gives every fucking bully in America, fuck it, the world, the balls to stand up and be a bigger bully. It's not even a political thing, it's just how the mindset and morale of the nation work. And I don't want the highest office in the land, the most powerful man in the world, to be a bully so that every other bully has someone to aspire to.
Fuck that.[/QUOTE]
How does he look up to Trump? In what way?
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;51662251]How does he look up to Trump? In what way?[/QUOTE]
Trump is a role model. That is indisputable at this stage. He has been for years, but now he's even more so one.
He's a 9 year old kid. The level of complexity of his thoughts on the matter are nil. He's repeating rhetoric that other people say, and he's come to the conclusion that power is a good thing, and being mean to people to get it is also a good thing.
[QUOTE=The golden;51661391]A very large amount of Americans will suffer and/or die because of the choices he and his staff-picks support.
I mean you can be in denial about it that's fine, but it will happen.[/QUOTE]
To be fair that happens every time. Someone always gets fucked. Not that this makes it better
[editline]13th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51661828]Yeah I mean ultimately, deep down, I do think he's a malicious, hateful bully.
But I don't believe Svinnik would ever read that, and then choose to respond in an honest and integral way.[/QUOTE]
Come on man that passive-aggressive "prodding" is borderline shitposting
[QUOTE=MangoJuice;51662215][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C16L1pDUUAA6mNm.jpg[/IMG]
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see you space cowboy
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661896]thanks for calling me a liar and saying i lack integrity for posting my opinion that trump isn't an evil literal villain
I didn't vote Trump because I like him, I voted for him because he was better for my issues that I care about. Trump might be malicious and a bully, I don't care really. He's good for my issues and while he might be a dick, as long as he does what he promises then I'm fine with him.[/QUOTE]
You're a disgrace to the ideals your nation was founded on.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51661359]Obama and Biden never were the greatest leaders our country ever had, but they're a hell of a lot better than pretty much every single alternative offered to us since 2008. I'll miss them.[/QUOTE]
We've been coasting under Obama/Biden, at a slight uptick. Certainly no spiral downwards. Coasting is good.
Well here comes the hill
I thought the economy was massively improved under Obama/Biden and that there was significant job creation?
Then again, from what I know of history, America has been fairly static for a while and has been getting worse in how they've treated their citizens since the 70s.
Do you get these once you drop 26,000 bombs around the world?
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661323]how melodramatic can you be lol, they might be not what you want but they are not by any stretch of the imagination villians[/QUOTE]
Actually by even the slightest stretch of imagination they are villains
[editline]13th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51661978]I'm not saying you can't complain, it's your right to. I'm personally withholding judgement until he can actually do something.[/QUOTE]
He already tarnished relations with China and made the US the laughing stock of the world. He does something.
I think you have no idea how the vote of Trump was received in the rest of the World.
[QUOTE=Jame's;51664732]Do you get these once you drop 26,000 bombs around the world?[/QUOTE]
Biden was the only candidate during the 2008 primaries to formally apologise for his role in Iraq
The guy is a fucking dedicated politician who genuinely wants the best for his country and regardless of your politics, that is a really valuable thing. Everyone in American politics, be they democrat or republican, respect the hell out of Biden and there is a reason for that
Seriously cmon man, how can you not at least respect this guy. The work he's done for the US is once in a lifetime. Good people deserve to be recognised
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