'Islamic State' reportedly training terrorists to enter Europe as asylum seekers - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pops;51375185]How about "don't do what merkel did" for starters?[/QUOTE] Then what? I'd love to hear someone propose an alternative, a "solution" in more practical terms. Let's say Germany enacted strict border patrols with the intention of keeping refugees from entering the country. What do they do with any refugee trying to cross the austrian border? Arrest them and ship them back to Austria? Let's say Austria followed suit, what would they do with anyone trying to cross the hungarian border? Then hungary, then serbia, and then finally; What does Greece do about their border to Turkey? What do they do about refugees coming via boat? Last question also applies to Italy. Closing off your country may work if it's geographical location easily allows it, but what about the nations that can't? I want to hear someone propose an alternative practical long-term solution for EU to be able to go through with - preferably one that doesn't violate the UNHRC.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51376063]Then what? I'd love to hear someone propose an alternative, a "solution" in more practical terms. Let's say Germany enacted strict border patrols with the intention of keeping refugees from entering the country. What do they do with any refugee trying to cross the austrian border? Arrest them and ship them back to Austria? Let's say Austria followed suit, what would they do with anyone trying to cross the hungarian border? Then hungary, then serbia, and then finally; What does Greece do about their border to Turkey? What do they do about refugees coming via boat? Last question also applies to Italy. Closing off your country may work if it's geographical location easily allows it, but what about the nations that can't? I want to hear someone propose an alternative practical long-term solution for EU to be able to go through with - preferably one that doesn't violate the UNHRC.[/QUOTE] We could have a EU organ dedicated to deportation. They can pick up those not granted asylum all over EU countries and sends them back to country of origin. Funded by all EU countries.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51376157]We could have a EU organ dedicated to deportation. They can pick up those not granted asylum all over EU countries and sends them back to country of origin. Funded by all EU countries.[/QUOTE] But that doesn't account for the fact that the time that refugees spend in countries waiting for their asylum being approved or denied is plenty enough to committ acts of terror. Furthermore the nation from which a person originates must agree to it before the person can be sent back.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51376274]But that doesn't account for the fact that the time that refugees spend in countries waiting for their asylum being approved or denied is plenty enough to committ acts of terror. Furthermore the nation from which a person originates must agree to it before the person can be sent back.[/QUOTE] So because someone isn't planning terror crimes during the time they stay here, even as you say they got plenty enough of it to do if they wanted to, means they shouldn't get deported when denied asylum? Furthermore, Afghanistan have approved to us sending people back now, so we need to start doing it. This is all up for the proposed organ to figure out. I am not a EU parliamentarian and neither are you, this is all just speculations and discussions and nothing of what we write here on this site will be implemented or even considered.

No they should absolutely get deported when denied asylum, unless that's not possible. But I also feel that they should have the right to seek asylum in another country if denied.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51376344]Austria cant follow suit for starters because you cant deport asylum applicants before you process them, you can turn them away from the border but no once they are inside [editline]16th November 2016[/editline] Can you even provide proof about people that are denied asylum but arent deported[/QUOTE] Exactly [editline]15th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51376339]So because someone isn't planning terror crimes during the time they stay here, even as you say they got plenty enough of it to do if they wanted to, means they shouldn't get deported when denied asylum? Furthermore, Afghanistan have approved to us sending people back now, so we need to start doing it. This is all up for the proposed organ to figure out. I am not a EU parliamentarian and neither are you, this is all just speculations and discussions and nothing of what we write here on this site will be implemented or even considered.[/QUOTE] People are so eager to call out Merkel for ruining Germany or Europe though and when actual issues are brought up and the discussion becomes more concrete, they've got nothing to say. Nobody is referring to how asylum applications are processed or what happens to those who have their applications denied when they're complaining about Merkel - they're obviously complaining about refugees entering and being in Europe, so what's the solution to stop refugees from entering and how do we evict refugees who are here?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51376833]There is no "solution" to refugees being in Europe apart from accomodating them as best as we can Or deporting them en masse, voiding effectively the entire UN-abritrated international legislation of 70 years, or a "solution" 1944 style voiding any and all international law there is from 19th century[/QUOTE] And there you fucking go, someone give me a call if any of the people who make these anti-merkel posts and star them come around to challenge this and actually make an attempt to justify their views cause I doubt that'll happen. Peace.

I reckon the US should be taking a few of these refugees, especially when it is kinda sorta their fault this mess exists to begin with.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51376833]There is no "solution" to refugees being in Europe apart from accomodating them as best as we can Or deporting them en masse, voiding effectively the entire UN-abritrated international legislation of 70 years, or a "solution" 1944 style voiding any and all international law there is from 19th century And I love the people who say "MERKEL fuck that bitch" as if she rules this fucking country alone It is even less logical than "Thanks Obama"[/QUOTE] Thanks Obama is a meme, and not to be taken seriously. Merkel, on the other hand, fuck that bitch. Jk, but y'all need a new leader.

[QUOTE=Pops;51376918]but y'all need a new leader.[/QUOTE] Maybe you'd like to elaborate?

I hope they do manage to catch them before they pull off another bataclan Ok, it's good if you follow them a little bit to check out who's who, where do they get their supplies from and how they communicate. But that small window between their last meeting and an attack must be an incredible s.o.b.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51376935]Maybe you'd like to elaborate?[/QUOTE] Maybe he meant someone else then Merkel and the current people in charge of Germany?

[QUOTE=Samiam22;51376901]I reckon the US should be taking a few of these refugees, especially when it is kinda sorta their fault this mess exists to begin with.[/QUOTE] 1.) No, we shouldn't. This article is literally demonstrating ways that "refugees" are being weaponized. 2.) This mess wasn't caused by the US, lmao.

I never quite understood this whole situation. UN says there's [URL="http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/publications/migrationreport/docs/MigrationReport2015_Highlights.pdf"]roughly 240 million migrants[/URL] off mucking about in the world, but the combined population of the countries they're said to originate from only comes out to about 220 million. What's going on here? [editline]15th November 2016[/editline] I left Africa out of the equation. Ignore this post.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51376959]Maybe he meant someone else then Merkel and the current people in charge of Germany?[/QUOTE] I guess I wasn't clear but I got that much, I'd just like to know why he wants that.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51376063]Then what? I'd love to hear someone propose an alternative, a "solution" in more practical terms. Let's say Germany enacted strict border patrols with the intention of keeping refugees from entering the country. What do they do with any refugee trying to cross the austrian border? Arrest them and ship them back to Austria? Let's say Austria followed suit, what would they do with anyone trying to cross the hungarian border? Then hungary, then serbia, and then finally; What does Greece do about their border to Turkey? What do they do about refugees coming via boat? Last question also applies to Italy. Closing off your country may work if it's geographical location easily allows it, but what about the nations that can't? I want to hear someone propose an alternative practical long-term solution for EU to be able to go through with - preferably one that doesn't violate the UNHRC.[/QUOTE] I do not think it is possible to stop a mass flow of immigrants. Even with 100 percent lockdown, its skating up hill. I think it would be best for Europe to either intervene in Syria or find some one to take that burden. Russia looks willing to take that burden.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51377007]I guess I wasn't clear but I got that much, I'd just like to know why he wants that.[/QUOTE] to be honest, i wonder how she even got elected. every time i read something about her, all i can think of is "what an idiot."

There's an estimated 3000 -5000 Europeans fight for the Islamists, that'll be the real headache.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51377007]I guess I wasn't clear but I got that much, I'd just like to know why he wants that.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing that he doesn't particularly think Merkel and Co have handled the migrant situation very well, I don't think he's alone with his thoughts either.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;51381017]I'm guessing that he doesn't particularly think Merkel and Co have handled the migrant situation very well, I don't think he's alone with his thoughts either.[/QUOTE] I'm sure the people with those thoughts have thought up better ways to handle the migrant situation - except none of them ever share them which is a shame because I'm very interested to hear them out.