Attorney-General G. Brandis hints at a return to the White Australia Policy through Amendment of the - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338034]Sounds like multiculturalism to me. Why didn't these bigoted aboriginals support their diversifying?[/QUOTE] Yes. The stolen generation was all about multiculturalism. We should steal more aboriginal children and fix their racist ways!

Why the fuck is the white Australia policy even in the title? It has nothing to do with this. At all. It's just causing a shitfest argument for nothing

A right to be a bigot means they'll just try to restrict the minority's freedom of speech

[QUOTE=gerbe1;44338047]Yes. The stolen generation was all about multiculturalism. We should steal more aboriginal children and fix their racist ways![/QUOTE] Don't act like child support doesn't still relocate thousands of aboriginal children a year. It's just better for the children to be with white families, it gives them a better chance at life.

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338034]Sounds like multiculturalism to me. Why didn't these bigoted aboriginals support their diversifying? [editline]24th March 2014[/editline] Haha wow.[/QUOTE] Okay I partially agreed with some of your points but now you just sound like a fucking moron. The white Australia policy was cruel and terrible for aborigines, have you been living under a rock?

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338060]Don't act like child support doesn't still relocate thousands of aboriginal children a year. It's just better for the children to be with white families, it gives them a better chance at life.[/QUOTE] You're enjoying acting ignorant aren't you? You don't seriously believe the words you are typing, do you?

this entire fucking thread is a trainwreck jesus christ. just like this current government.

[QUOTE=Tasm;44338021] TBH the current mob of criminals seems better than Bill Shorten IMO. Kevin was a much better alternative.[/QUOTE] Bill Shorten is on John Hewson levels of useless

[QUOTE=Tasm;44338051]Why the fuck is the white Australia policy even in the title? It has nothing to do with this. At all. It's just causing a shitfest argument for nothing[/QUOTE] It's not an argument over nothing? Yes the title is wrong but that's not the issue, literally no one brought that up.

[QUOTE=gerbe1;44338066]You're enjoying acting ignorant aren't you? You don't seriously believe the words you are typing, do you?[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families"]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families[/URL]

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338077][URL="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families"]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families[/URL][/QUOTE] Note the bit about "wrecking Australian families", nothing about making their lives [I]better[/I], which is what you just suggested.

[QUOTE=1239the;44338067]this entire fucking thread is a trainwreck jesus christ. just like this current government.[/QUOTE] exactly [QUOTE=Tasm;44338051]Why the fuck is the white Australia policy even in the title? It has nothing to do with this. At all. It's just causing a shitfest argument for nothing[/QUOTE] it's to be used as a base point, a topic which is somewhat relevant

[QUOTE=gerbe1;44338092]Note the bit about "wrecking Australian families", nothing about making their lives [I]better[/I], which is what you just suggested.[/QUOTE] Authors opinion buddy.

[QUOTE=reevezy67;44338075]It's not an argument over nothing? Yes the title is wrong but that's not the issue, literally no one brought that up.[/QUOTE] I never said it was over nothing. [QUOTE=Lonestriper;44338074]Bill Shorten is on John Hewson levels of useless[/QUOTE] He needs to be impeached if they want any chance at winning the next election. [QUOTE=Azarath;44338096]Authors opinion buddy.[/QUOTE] is this a joke?

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338060]Don't act like child support doesn't still relocate thousands of aboriginal children a year. It's just better for the children to be with white families, it gives them a better chance at life.[/QUOTE] There was an article on that that was extremely biased and saw it as a racist thing, but it's really not. They really want to help these kids, they don't take them because of their skin colour. Who the fuck would think that? Aboriginals are still having a really REALLY hard time with the current culture with alcohol and all. Which leads to a LOT of shitty conditions that are not suitable at all for the children. It's really a shame but it needs to happen.

[QUOTE=reevezy67;44338101]There was an article on that that was extremely biased and saw it as a racist thing, but it's really not. They really want to help these kids, they don't take them because of their skin colour. Who the fuck would think that? Aboriginals are still having a really REALLY hard time with the current culture with alcohol and all. Which leads to a LOT of shitty conditions that are not suitable at all for the children. It's really a shame but it needs to happen.[/QUOTE] I agree with you 100%.

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338096]Authors opinion buddy.[/QUOTE] W-what? You posted the link to support your claim that these activities are similar to the stolen generations and are good for aboriginal children and families. Then say that the article is opinionated in a manner that you don't agree with?

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338077][URL]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families[/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah that's the one, it's extremely biased and just plain wrong. Also notice that it's the guardian(from news corp) and is making bad remarks about Kevin Rudd. He was blunt about there being no [B]added [/B]compensation there is already a very large amount of compensation.

[QUOTE=reevezy67;44338101]There was an article on that that was extremely biased and saw it as a racist thing, but it's really not. They really want to help these kids, they don't take them because of their skin colour. Who the fuck would think that? Aboriginals are still having a really REALLY hard time with the current culture with alcohol and all. Which leads to a LOT of shitty conditions that are not suitable at all for the children. It's really a shame but it needs to happen.[/QUOTE] The problems are rooted much deeper and are not as simple as it seems. There is no proper way to help the aborigines of Australia, it's lose-lose, but there needs to be a balance of not over-zealous taking away of aboriginal children, but for real issues such as alcoholic parents, which will still be seen as "Assimilation" by many of the aboriginal community, and I don't blame them from what they experienced in the past. But if this doesn't happen, then problems with alcoholism and addiction will become more prevalent if they are left with bad role models. It's a long and tedious procedure to help those communities, but keeping the balance is paramount, which they totally neglected in the past century.

[QUOTE=gerbe1;44338111]W-what? You posted the link to support your claim that these activities are similar to the stolen generations and are good for aboriginal children and families. Then say that the article is opinionated in a manner that you don't agree with?[/QUOTE] Maybe you are not too familiar on what happens in a lot of aboriginal communities, I know there are some dry communities where alcohol and drugs are banned and they have nice people and are working on improving standards of living. But unfortunately this is not the case for all communities and the children must be relocated into more suitable households to give them a chance at life. Read reevezy67's post to get more of an idea. And on the subject of articles being opinionated, most are.

[QUOTE=Tasm;44338125]The problems are rooted much deeper and are not as simple as it seems. There is no proper way to help the aborigines of Australia, it's lose-lose, but there needs to be a balance of not over-zealous taking away of aboriginal children, but for real issues such as alcoholic parents, which will still be seen as "Assimilation" by many of the aboriginal community, and I don't blame them from what they experienced in the past. But if this doesn't happen, then you problems with alcoholism and addiction will become more prevalent if they are left with bad role models. It's a long and tedious procedure to help those communities.[/QUOTE] I think it would need more than just government support to fix the issues in aboriginal communities. Society in this country still believes that the Aboriginals are second-rate. It's only because you [B]force[/B] them to be second rate. Problems in both education and also employment , family and social issues among the main points which encroach on why a majority of these people still feel that they had everything taken from them

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338133]Maybe you are not too familiar on what happens in a lot of aboriginal communities, I know there are some dry communities where alcohol and drugs are banned and they have nice people and are working on improving standards of living. But unfortunately this is not the case for all communities and the children must be relocated into more suitable households to give them a chance at life. Read reevezy67's post to get more of an idea. And on the subject of articles being opinionated, most are.[/QUOTE] Ok. You're missing my point. I am aware of these situations. It's just that in the context of our conversation previously, when you said this: [QUOTE=Azarath;44338060]Don't act like child support doesn't still relocate thousands of aboriginal children a year. It's just better for the children to be with white families, it gives them a better chance at life.[/QUOTE] You're saying that what happened during the stolen generations is no different and just as "good" as what is happening now. Then you posted an article that said it's no different and terrible. That's what I'm confused about. Additionally the "dry" communities where you say everything is getting better, there are plenty of people in the communities who say not only is it not working, it is making things worse.

[QUOTE=gerbe1;44338175]Ok. You're missing my point. I am aware of these situations. It's just that in the context of our conversation previously, when you said this: You're saying that what happened during the stolen generations is no different and just as "good" as what is happening now. Then you posted an article that said it's no different and terrible. That's what I'm confused about. Additionally the "dry" communities where you say everything is getting better, there are plenty of people in the communities who say not only is it not working, it is making things worse.[/QUOTE] You are putting words in his mouth. No one is stupid enough to say what happened during the stolen generations is just as good as the situation now.

[QUOTE=reevezy67;44338182]You are putting words in his mouth. No one is stupid enough to say what happened during the stolen generations is just as good as the situation now.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1379043&p=44338034&viewfull=1#post44338034"]He said that the assimilation and white australia policies sounded like multiculturism to him[/URL] it seemed to me that he was, in fact, stupid enough.

Oh the news article said that, yeah I can believe that News Corp Aus is so dumb that they would say that.

In fact, reading that again, he also implied that [I]genocide[/I] sounded like multiculturism...

[QUOTE=Azarath;44338020]And I have a feeling that if you want to come to a country with no identification or history you can expect to be processed because we want to know who we are letting in and that they will not cause trouble, like they often do. Our utmost priority is protecting the citizens of Australia. No there isn't I'm a grown up and have emotional control over myself. Someone getting upset doesn't mean anything. Are we going to start making all women wear burkas now because it makes some people mad? I hope not.[/QUOTE] 1. I do agree that background checks are needed for that sort of thing, but that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to the human rights abuses there, as well as with other asylum seekers. 2. Yes, there is a difference. Do we really need the right to be mean to each other? I'm not sure what it adds. 3. Although you may be able to take it, a lot of other people can not and will not. Especially if they've been discriminated against before, which is the case of many Aboriginal Australians and other ethnicities.

[QUOTE=shutter_eye5;44338153]I think it would need more than just government support to fix the issues in aboriginal communities. Society in this country still believes that the Aboriginals are second-rate. It's only because you [B]force[/B] them to be second rate. Problems in both education and also employment , family and social issues among the main points which encroach on why a majority of these people still feel that they had everything taken from them[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say there was much wrong with education from my point of view, I grew up in a school which educated us about aboriginal culture and respecting them, the aboriginal elders and having constant visits to teach grades about their way of life. (Catholic Education Curriculum QLD). The stigma attached the aboriginals is rooted in the problems with alcoholism and drug addiction, it's not something which can be fixed overnight. Realistically there isn't much more than government support that can fix this, and it would be over a very long period of time, with a hell of a lot of rehabilitation. (Which is currently happening) I still see many aboriginals behind bus stops sniffing petrol when I go through neighborhoods on the way to uni, back when I lived in Cairns, there was a huge issue with the aboriginal people with similar issues, and it sadly bolsters the stigma they have attached to them. [QUOTE=reevezy67;44338203]Oh the news article said that, yeah I can believe that News Corp Aus is so dumb that they would say that.[/QUOTE] Nothing like a good old sensationalist article to wind people up

[QUOTE=Azarath;44337911]What are you trying to get at here exactly? I know we don't have freedom of speech, that is why I support this. Anyone who wants to limit free speech because someone might get their feelings hurt can move to another country. The LNP actually cares about citizens rights and this passing will just be one more step on our long march to freedom. After this I hope they loosen gun laws, because at the moment they are ridiculous.[/QUOTE] You sir, belong in America. The place complies exactly with your views. I for one, enjoy living in a suburb full of diversity and people unafraid to share their cultures with me. I also like how I can send my little brother to school knowing he won't get shot up by some lunatic.

WTF? The title is a load of bullshit. Well done. While I don't support the repeal of s 18C, the title is a complete falsity. The White Australia policy has nothing to do with the RDA.