[QUOTE=FATCOOLCAT]Well done. You have decreased the international IQ by 100 points.
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Of course, your name is Mikhail Federov, you are a general of the Russian Army and you know everything.
But just for the hell of it, let's prove you wrong.
Soviet tech - I assume you mean old technology? As if in, "technology of the Soviet" times? Yeah, of course we still have the same weapons as we did in WW2 and in Cold War. Of Course
Inexperienced Troops - WHAT? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THIS??? I want you to go to an American school and tell everyone that America is gay - you will get detention and a letter home. Now I want you to go to a Russian school - you will be murdered and decapitated. You do not know how crazy these fuckers are, they don't need no damn experience. Also, what DO you mean by "experience". It's mandatory to enter an army (yes, YOU HAVE TO) (unless Married, In-post-secondary education) in Russia, so the majority of Russian population (males) have gone through at least 1 year of military training. They sure as hell know how to fire a gun.
Allies - allies don't matter. There are 3 countries in the world. America, Russia, China. I want you to remember that. Oh, and China is more likely to be on Russia's side.
Corrupt Government - 9/11 was all terrorists and muslims :downs:
And really, for all you people, don't be so hasty to trust what you see:
[url]http://russia-insider.livejournal.com/25329.html[/url]
Georgia wants America to enter the war, and America (obviously) supplies Georgia with tech to fight back. A lot of people say "Russia" should pull out. Imagine if your children were killed by some other dude. I'd think you'd want to kill the person RESPONSIBLE for the deaths, not the children of the said man. (Which, unfortunately is what Russia has done partially already)
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He makes a valid point. But America makes money this way, so it's justified (sort of).
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Another bright example as to why YOU SHOULD SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY.
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This guy is cool.[/QUOTE]
No, he doesn't make a valid point. Georgia is an American political ally and a military project, of course what happening there is our business.
[QUOTE=Tigster]It isn't in NATO.
Actually, wasn't NATO formed because of Russia?[/QUOTE]
Okay I don't know if this was corrected but yeah.
You know NATO was a union of countries literally against USSR during the cold war. Now that this is all over, Russia joined it and they changed the "Goal" of the organization. It is now an anti-terrorism organization. Because there was no need to fight the USSR if it wasn't there anymore.
[B]Edit: Shit nevermind I am schooled in french and I thought NATO was something else[/b]
[QUOTE=Pr3st0neV4]Okay I don't know if this was corrected but yeah.
You know NATO was a union of countries literally against USSR during the cold war. Now that this is all over, Russia joined it and they changed the "Goal" of the organization. It is now an anti-terrorism organization. Because there was no need to fight the USSR if it wasn't there anymore.
[B]Edit: Shit nevermind I am schooled in french and I thought NATO was something else[/b][/QUOTE]
NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, and from what I can tell, you were right anyway (except for the part where Russia joined, Russia isn't a part of NATO).
[QUOTE=madmanmad]America is pokeing it's nose in other peoples business again!?[/QUOTE]
Sending Humanitarian Aid for the most part... We send aid and money all over the world all the time during most Disasters... Who sent money to the USA After Hurricane Katrina? What about the earthquakes in California in the early 1900's? Oh that's right, No one. (Countries, not Individuals)
so [Insert Penn's "Stfu" Gif here]
[QUOTE=TheTalon]Sending Humanitarian Aid for the most part... We send aid and money all over the world all the time during most Disasters... Who sent money to the USA After Hurricane Katrina? What about the earthquakes in California in the early 1900's? Oh that's right, No one. (Countries, not Individuals)
so [Insert Penn's "Stfu" Gif here][/QUOTE]
Because America is the single world power at the moment. Why would lesser nations aid the single world power?
Don't try to tell me Russia and China are world powers. China is still, for the most part, a second world country ( Not talking about the big cities here ) and Russia is outdated as fuck.
[QUOTE=huntskikbut]Because America is the single world power at the moment. Why would lesser nations aid the single world power?
Don't try to tell me Russia and China are world powers. China is still, for the most part, a second world country ( Not talking about the big cities here ) and Russia is outdated as fuck.[/QUOTE]
Well I wouldn't call my country a single world power, if not for other's America wouldn't be in the position it's in, but America Bashing is a trend that's getting annoying... It's the most generous nation on the planet, it's economy is bigger than the next 4 largest economies combined, but even sometimes we could use some help... It takes a long time to rebuild an entire city that was wiped out, but I don't think America saw a single cent or help outside of it's own borders when Katrina swept through
And this war on terrorism... Who else is going to lead it? It's a real problem and needs to be dealt with, be happy it's being dealt with in countries that can only improve from their current state, and not in England, or Paris... We were the unlucky ones who got hit first, so excuse us for returning the favor
Agreed on China and Russia though, At least China is putting an effort in on improving
[QUOTE=TheTalon]Well I wouldn't call my country a single world power, if not for other's America wouldn't be in the position it's in, but America Bashing is a trend that's getting annoying... It's the most generous nation on the planet, it's economy is bigger than the next 4 largest economies combined, but even sometimes we could use some help... It takes a long time to rebuild an entire city that was wiped out, but I don't think America saw a single cent or help outside of it's own borders when Katrina swept through
And this war on terrorism... Who else is going to lead it? It's a real problem and needs to be dealt with, be happy it's being dealt with in countries that can only improve from their current state, and not in England, or Paris... We were the unlucky ones who got hit first, so excuse us for returning the favor
Agreed on China and Russia though, At least China is putting an effort in on improving[/QUOTE]
the war on terrorism is as big of a joke as the war on drugs, and like the war on drugs should be, fought as a law enforcement issue
the only good thing that came from Iraq is the fact that we've refined our urban and counterinsurgency tactics and we now have a massive amount of hardned veteran soldiers, but other than that, the Iraq war is the sole reason we've lost so much of our standing
[QUOTE=TheLinxV3]Why is that jackass running with a flag at 1:08?[/QUOTE]
Because flags are symbols of nationalism and boost moral.
Our next lesson will be: Why does propaganda matter?
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]Because flags are symbols of nationalism and boost moral.
Our next lesson will be: *** **** propaganda ******[is good for you]*[/QUOTE]
Fixd
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]No, he doesn't make a valid point. Georgia is an American political ally and a military project, of course what happening there is our business.[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, this much discussed tendency of the American govt to spread its sphere of influence to other countries in the name of freedom and democracy is getting old and boring. Come to think of it, so is discussing it. I don't want to talk about this anymore. I'm tired. Bye.
[QUOTE=plokoon9619]Just for the record, if a country like Japan could beat Russia then we should have no problem destroying them if a bigger war does break out because of this incindent.[/QUOTE]
That was back when Russia was still a backwards Tsarist nation, it's a terrible example.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom]That was back when Russia was still a backwards Tsarist nation, it's a terrible example.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, not to mention that there was barely any Russian presence on the Eastern coast of Russia, pretty easy to beat a country who's main forces are halfway across the world.
[QUOTE=Stark]In my opinion, this much discussed tendency of the American govt to spread its sphere of influence to other countries in the name of freedom and democracy is getting old and boring. Come to think of it, so is discussing it. I don't want to talk about this anymore. I'm tired. Bye.[/QUOTE]
Alright, lets stop helping all these other countries that we fund and aid. Lets see what happens in the next 5-10 years.
[QUOTE=Cortexmelon]Alright, lets stop helping all these other countries that we fund and aid. Lets see what happens in the next 5-10 years.[/QUOTE]
why do we even fund the UN right? it's not in our sphere of influence
Once again we (USA) can't stay out of shit.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2]Once again we (USA) can't stay out of shit.[/QUOTE]
You're an idiot.
[QUOTE=Cortexmelon]You're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
And you can't accept the truth.
[QUOTE=madmanmad]And you can't accept the truth.[/QUOTE]
Well in this case (and the last several other cases) it's a good thing.
I'm not saying they shouldn't give aid to those who need it, i just hope they don't piss russia off and spark world war 3.
I mean, bush is still in power after all.
[QUOTE=madmanmad]I'm not saying they shouldn't give aid to those who need it, i just hope they don't piss russia off and spark world war 3.
I mean, bush is still in power after all.[/QUOTE]
If Russia gets pissed off at the US for giving humanitarian aid to dying civilians then Russia is dumber than I thought.
There is [b][u][highlight]NOT[/highlight][/b][/u] going to be a World War 3.
There is [b][u][highlight]NOT[/highlight][/b][/u] going to be a nuclear war.
[QUOTE=Marine1st]If Russia gets pissed off at the US for giving humanitarian aid to dying civilians then Russia is dumber than I thought.[/QUOTE]
For the record, US first got pissed off at Russia for entering South Ossetia with humanitarian aid, and South Ossetia needed it much more than Georgia. Good thing they aren't doing anything stupid about it.
I'm not sure if it's been said yet but the Irish are sending a load of men into georgia to "supervise" the ceasefire. Which is now broken.
[QUOTE=Faunze]I'm not sure if it's been said yet but the Irish are sending a load of men into georgia to "supervise" the ceasefire. Which is now broken.[/QUOTE]
Wait, the ceasefire was broken again?
[QUOTE=Faunze]I'm not sure if it's been said yet but the Irish are sending a load of men into georgia to "supervise" the ceasefire. Which is now broken.[/QUOTE]
Thought they went into ceasefire again?
[QUOTE=Marine1st]Wait, the ceasefire was broken again?[/QUOTE]
No, it's a blabber.
[QUOTE=Electroclan]Bleh, curse my american geography education.. I thought it was our state georgia they were fighting over when I read the first few sentences.
..Well, they can have it anyway. :argh:
Here we go! Thanks google.
[img]http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/968/wsadawdiu8.png[/img][/QUOTE]
THANK YOU, I was confused as fuck! Haha
This is pretty funny:
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080815/cm_uc_crpbux/op_337063;_ylt=Ak3xUMTAIVndz6rQwL6BsZH9wxIF[/url]
It's an opinion column from Pat Buchanan.
[quote=Buchanan]Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.
Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.
Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.
Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.
Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.
[b]American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight — Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.
Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.
True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?
Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?
Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?
When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?
Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of who viscerally detest Russia?[/b]
That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.
When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?
American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.
Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.
When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?
The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.
We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.
Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.
Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.
How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?
For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost — in Tbilisi.[/quote]
Bolded the best parts. I don't normally agree with this guy and he is for most part an asshole but I like this stance.
EDIT: Holy shit this guy's an asshole in his other views.
[QUOTE=RBM11]This is pretty funny:
[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080815/cm_uc_crpbux/op_337063;_ylt=Ak3xUMTAIVndz6rQwL6BsZH9wxIF[/url]
It's an opinion column from Pat Buchanan.
Bolded the best parts. I don't normally agree with this guy and he is for most part an asshole but I like this stance.
EDIT: Holy shit this guy's an asshole in his other views.[/QUOTE]
Great article by a great ass.
[QUOTE=CubeManv2]Once again we (USA) can't stay out of shit.[/QUOTE]
Let's say your loved one was punched in the mouth outside your door, what would you do, that's if anyone loves you, if not just replace loved one with 20 cats
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