• Shit in Georgia/Russia is about to hit the fan
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On a completely unrelated note, I like Mikhail Saakashvilli's tie. He has good taste in ties.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]We still have the fact that Georgian military bases have been bombed. That's an act of aggression.[/QUOTE] That's an act of not letting those fuckers attempt anything else in Ossetia. Like Russia plans to allow military bases to kill more civilians.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]We still have the fact that Georgian military bases have been bombed. That's an act of aggression.[/QUOTE] There's also reports of Georgian peacekeepers firing unprovoked on Russians. Like I said before, it's looking like nobody was completely in the right. Although I think the Russians overreacted.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]I never said otherwise. Let me recap for you. You said that the Russians haven't invaded Georgia. By definition they have. You might not recognize South Ossetia as Georgia, that really isn't my problem. By United Nations law, South Ossetia is still sovereign Georgian Territory.[/QUOTE] Exactly. People here don't seem to realise that South Ossetia is not recognised as an independent country by any United Nations states. So it is still part of Georgia.
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[QUOTE=Thlis]That's an act of not letting those fuckers attempt anything else in Ossetia. Like Russia plans to allow military bases to kill more civilians.[/QUOTE] You're putting emotion into this. Whether you like it or not, Russia has invaded sovereign Georgian territory. Russia has put tanks into territory, and has bombed military bases near Tbilisi.
Did the russians establish a complete hold on Ossetia yet?
[QUOTE=Toline][IMG]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8863/canadasb9.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Canda? That place in Italy?
[QUOTE=Da Big Man]Canda?[/QUOTE] Canda.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]You're putting emotion into this. Whether you like it or not, Russia has invaded sovereign Georgian territory. Russia has put tanks into territory, and has bombed military bases near Tbilisi.[/QUOTE] To expand on this, as Saakashvilli pointed out, the only Ossetians that want it to be a part of Russia, are Russian.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man]Canda?[/QUOTE] I didn't feel like resizing the canvas for an extra a.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man]Canda?[/QUOTE] It's where pandas and candy come from.
I'm gonna go get some kip. Nearly 3am here. Will be interesting to see what's happened by tomorrow.
Here's an interesting quote "I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars. It's impossible to count them now" Lyudmila Ostayeva Tskhinvali resident [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7550354.stm[/url]
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]You're putting emotion into this. Whether you like it or not, Russia has invaded sovereign Georgian territory. Russia has put tanks into territory, and has bombed military bases near Tbilisi.[/QUOTE] So what, Georgian forces have bombed their own civilians for wanting to create their own government. Guess what that can be compared to. INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITAIN IN AMERICA I believe that Russia is right to do this. They have stopped Georgian forces from killing and more civilians, Russian or not.
[QUOTE=Bitores]To expand on this, as Saakashvilli pointed out, the only Ossetians that want it to be a part of Russia, are Russian.[/QUOTE] Also, the South Ossetians voted for independence, I haven't seen the referendum that passed to merge into Russia. Which most be my own mistake, as so many people here think that everyone in South Ossetia is waiting for their beloved Russian saviors. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Thlis]So what, Georgian forces have bombed their own civilians for wanting to create their own government. Guess what that can be compared to. INDEPENDENCE FROM BRITAIN IN AMERICA I believe that Russia is right to do this. They have stopped Georgian forces from killing and more civilians, Russian or not.[/QUOTE] Um, no they haven't. If anything this will cause even more bloodshed. You have a really simplistic view here. Russians are not beloved liberators to the embattled South Ossetians. The only thing that can come form this and the Russian bombings, is more bloodshed.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]Also, the South Ossetians voted for independence, I haven't seen the referendum that passed to merge into Russia. Which most be my own mistake, as so many people here think that everyone in South Ossetia is waiting for their beloved Russian saviors.[/QUOTE] But all the photos see South Ossetians praising the Russian troops that came in.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay] Um, no they haven't. If anything this will cause even more bloodshed. You have a really simplistic view here. Russians are not beloved liberators to the embattled South Ossetians. The only thing that can come form this and the Russian bombings, is more bloodshed.[/QUOTE] Lets see here, what would happen without Russia there. Georgians would be massacring Ossetians.
[QUOTE=Toline]But all the photos see South Ossetians praising the Russian troops that came in.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the wacky, wild, wonderful world of propaganda.
[QUOTE=Thlis]Lets see here, what would happen without Russia there.[/QUOTE] It's irrelevant. You said something wrong, I corrected you. Could we get back on topic now?
[QUOTE=Toline]But all the photos see South Ossetians praising the Russian troops that came in.[/QUOTE] Would [I]you[/I] give the finger to a group of people in tanks?
Let's not forget that Russia is a democratic nation too, it seems that everyone is painting them like evil communist aggressors. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Bitores]Would [I]you[/I] give the finger to a group of people in tanks?[/QUOTE] In America, I have that right.
[QUOTE=Toline]Let's not forget that Russia is a democratic nation too, it seems that everyone is painting them like evil communist aggressors.[/QUOTE] They barely act like a democratic nation.
[QUOTE=Toline]But all the photos see South Ossetians praising the Russian troops that came in.[/QUOTE] To add onto this, I wonder why we haven't seen more scenes as described by this woman: "I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars. It's impossible to count them now" Lyudmila Ostayeva Tskhinvali resident [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Toline] In America, I have that right.[/QUOTE] When the Russians are liberating the Federal Republic of the Cherokee from the awful Americans trying to suppress them you don't.
[QUOTE=Kimaru]They barely act like a democratic nation.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, Putin messed up the whole structure of the nation. But he's Putin, he can do whatever he wants. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]To add onto this, I wonder why we haven't seen more scenes as described by this woman: "I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars. It's impossible to count them now" Lyudmila Ostayeva Tskhinvali resident [b]Edit:[/b] When the Russians are liberating the Federal Republic of the Cherokee from the awful Americans trying to suppress them you don't.[/QUOTE] It's still American soil, besides if the Russians ever tried that shit I'd join up with the military.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]It's irrelevant. You said something wrong, I corrected you. Could we get back on topic now?[/QUOTE] No. you are acting like a total idiot. You will do a circular argument just to make yourself feel better. The fact that you managed to create such a half assed argument amazes me. You can't seem to understand that Georgians Attacked Ossetians. Many Ossetians are Russian Russia's president doesn't like it when someone kills Russians. Russia sends force in to stop the invasions. Russia bombs Georgian military bases to halter their military actions. If you can't understand that, god help us if your gene pool ever gets out. [quote]"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars. It's impossible to count them now"[/quote] That was the Georgian invasion.
[QUOTE=Thlis]No. you are acting like a total idiot. You will do a circular argument just to make yourself feel better. The fact that you managed to create such a half assed argument amazes me. You can't seem to understand that Georgians Attacked Ossetians. [b]Most if not all[/b] Ossetians are Russian Russia's president doesn't like it when someone kills Russians. Russia sends force in to stop the invasions. Russia bombs Georgian military bases to halter their military actions. If you can't understand that, god help us if your gene pool ever gets out.[/QUOTE] Fix'd
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[QUOTE=Thlis]No. you are acting like a total idiot. You will do a circular argument just to make yourself feel better. The fact that you managed to create such a half assed argument amazes me. You can't seem to understand that Georgians Attacked Ossetians. Many Ossetians are Russian Russia's president doesn't like it when someone kills Russians. Russia sends force in to stop the invasions. Russia bombs Georgian military bases to halter their military actions. If you can't understand that, god help us if your gene pool ever gets out.[/QUOTE] Ad hominem attack now? Look, you said something stupid. You said, and I quote: "Russians aren't invading Georgia" By united Nations law, they [B]have[/B] invaded Russia. Personal attacks just make you look like a child. Take a deep breath, and try to read my posts. I've made them very simple, just for you. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Thlis] That was the Georgian invasion.[/QUOTE] That's someone fleeing from South Ossetia, it's nice that you can make shit up as nicely as you can fling around personal insults.
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]Ad hominem attack now? Look, you said something stupid. You said, and I quote: "Russians aren't invading Georgia" By united Nations law, they [B]have[/B] invaded Russia. Personal attacks just make you look like a child. Take a deep breath, and try to read my posts. I've made them very simple, just for you.[/QUOTE] South Ossetia is only in the territory of Georgia, it is not ruled by them and therfore is not Georgia.
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