• Shit in Georgia/Russia is about to hit the fan
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[QUOTE=brainmaster]I'm sorry .. but you are dumb, SOVIET NATIONAL ANTHEM! Not russian anthem... Georgia was in the Soviet union... it's clearly marked on the map in the beggining there.[/QUOTE] Yeah, but they have to learn some new words for it :v:
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Sorry for the stupidity here, but who exactly is backing Russia/Georgia at the moment?
[QUOTE=nerrrinator]Sorry for the stupidity here, but who exactly is backing Russia/Georgia at the moment?[/QUOTE] I think the USA is backing Georgia.
[QUOTE=nerrrinator]Sorry for the stupidity here, but who exactly is backing Russia/Georgia at the moment?[/QUOTE] Everyone's Gay for Georgia since Russia is the invader, and used to be commies. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Kimaru]I think the USA is backing Georgia.[/QUOTE] No, we're getting the fuck out
[QUOTE=LesGunKid]Everyone's Gay for Georgia since Russia is the invader, and used to be commies. [b]Edit:[/b] No, we're getting the fuck out[/QUOTE] No I mean supporting. Atleast the government is..
Everybody is /care and Russia and Georgia are fighting it out. :v:
[QUOTE=Kimaru]No I mean supporting. Atleast the government is..[/QUOTE] Yeah, but we are getting all our equipment and troops the fuck out.
According to an interview with the PM of Russia, Putin talked to the States and they said no one wants a war, so it could be the US will stay neutral? Though I have no idea if there's any truth to this.
George Bush can be a cunt and declare war on Russia so that Obama/McCain will have a shit job. [b]Edit:[/b] Biggest thread in News Forum so far?
[QUOTE=angelangelv3]George Bush can be a cunt and declare war on Russia so that Obama/McCain will have a shit job. [b]Edit:[/b] Biggest thread in News Forum so far?[/QUOTE] Politicians aren't dicks just because they feel like it. Believe it or not, George Bush does care about this country, whether we care about him or not.
[QUOTE=T1L_Goose]Politicians aren't dicks just because they feel like it. Believe it or not, George Bush does care about this country, whether we care about him or not.[/QUOTE] That brought a tear to my eye.
[QUOTE=angelangelv3]Biggest thread in News Forum so far?[/QUOTE] Certainly the most active. [b]Edit:[/b] :siren:[B]REUTERS UPDATE[/B]:siren: [B]Russia to send new troops in Georgia stand-off[/B] [quote=Reuters]GORI, Georgia (Reuters) - Russia's military said on Saturday it was sending reinforcements into South Ossetia, a breakaway region of Georgia where Russian forces are supporting separatists under assault from Georgian troops. The announcement by Moscow's military upped the stakes in a stand-off between Russia and the pro-Western Georgian leadership that has sparked alarm in the West and led to angry exchanges at the United Nations reminiscent of the Cold War. With Washington the main backer of Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, the U.S. State Department called in a top Russian diplomat to urge Moscow to halt military involvement in the conflict that erupted in earnest late on Thursday night.[/quote] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL768040420080809]Want to know more?[/url]
[QUOTE=Bitores] [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL768040420080809]Want to know more?[/url][/QUOTE] Starship troopers anyone?
[quote=Reuters]"Tskhinvali and the heights around Tskhinvali and the majority of the villages in South Ossetia are under the control of Georgian forces,"[/quote] Current status of control concerning Tskhinvali. [quote=Reuters]Soldiers fired machineguns and armored personnel carriers moved through the deserted streets of Tskhinvali.[/quote] Also this ^ Reports are saying Tskhinvali is evacuated, the centre of the city is ablaze or bombed out, and a good chunk of it is destroyed. 3 more Russian peacekeepers confirmed dead, "Special troops" being mobilized to the area.
I guess I'll go ahead and post this for those of you who don't know the history for this region. I'm not taking a stance on either side though. Second rate, third rate, doesn't matter, a country like Georgia has no chance against a Behemoth like Russia. We just assume that the Russians have shit skill, but really they aren't as bad as what the jokes and media shows us. There's more under the belt now. And seeing that Georgia is actually an army and they're not fighting rebels like they do in Chechnya, this won't be an issue. If you guys don't have any knowledge of this, this is what happened. Ossetia is a border region home to a small ethnic group, the Ossetia was split when Georgia became independent. Since then, Ossetians in South Ossetia, Georgia, have been causing issues on matters of their autonomy and rights, and Russia has been taking advantage of this since the late 1990s. The Ossetians in Georgia want to be back with their fellows in North Ossetia (in Russia), and have been revolting against Tbilisi for awhile, in the form of rebellions and political parties. The people in Ossetia and Abkhazia (another breakaway province) declared their independence when Georgia declared its independence from the Soviet Union. Unlike Georgia though, Ossetia and Abkhazia demanded to be recognized as subjects of the USSR. This prompted Georgia to send in their own forces during the early 90s to secure these regions for Georgia. This resulted in a number of issues, with ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia, and disorderly conduct by Georgian soldiers in Ossetia and Abkhazia. During the late 1990s, Georgia has accused Russia (quite rightly) that Russia has been supporting these nationalists in Ossetia and Abkhazia. The youth in these regions have been energized by revolutionary frevor and hold active political demonstrations against the Georgian government. The people in both regions, for the most part, have no wish to be a part of Georgia. Abkhazia has watered down a bit, since they have more of a federal structure compared to the more unitary form of Georgia's government, but deep down the want independence as well. During their war against Georgia in the early 1990s, they successfully forced Georgian soldiers to pull out of the region, and gave legitimacy to their autonomy. After a short scuffle between opposing parties, they became stable and continue voicing their demands in the Georgian government (for comparison, this is much like the struggle of the Kurds who forced out Republican Guard soldiers in the early 1990s, had their own little in-fighting, and unified as "Iraqi Kurdistan" but still an autonomous province within Iraq). If these two provinces would rather be a part of Russia (or be on friendly terms like Tannu Tuva was in the 1930s before it was annexed), then in Georgia, it gives you a picture of how bad Georgia's infrastructure and politics are if they'd rather be a part of the Russians who have serious issues of their own as we all know (corruption, harsh gov't, etc etc) During the past few months, another uprising took place in South Ossetia, prompting Georgian forces to come in with the army and slam down the hammer on the revolutionaries. Russia took offense to this crackdown and installed peacekeepers to "defend" the civilians in the region. The pretext to this was that many of the Ossetians own Russian papers so that they can visit their families in Russia, and therefore are Russian subjects. Earlier this August, some of the soldiers and revolutionaries came into a struggle with one another, prompting further escalations. Russian peacekeepers evacuated willing Ossetians into North Ossetia in Russia, while voicing concern against the Georgian action. These past two days was an intensive operation on the side of the Georgians, sending a fairly large armored division to stop the revolution in Ossetia. They surrounded the capital, Tskhinvali (echoing the 1992 siege), shelling it for hours and from this the civilian toll began to increase. They began bombarding evacuation routes of civilians fleeing to North Ossetia in Russia, prompting Russia to take offense, saying Georgia is taking harsh actions against the civilians. In a sign of solidarity, Abkhazia revolutionaries have formed militias to support the Ossetian revolutionaries against Georgian oppression. Russia sees their opportunity, and taking the mantle of the defender of the poor Ossetians, started military operations as we see. Ossetian patriots in the oblast of North Ossetia-Alania in Russia (I referred to this as North Ossetia previously) have also joined in with their own volunteer regiments, moving along with the Russian Army to support their kin in South Ossetia. What Russia's goal is, we don't know. Whether they just want to take Abkhazia and Ossetia, or possibly bring Georgia back under its heel (which I hope they won't do, but Russia's never been known to be very rational, cautious, or benevolent), Georgia has to be very careful. I doubt this'll be like the Winter War the Russians screwed up with the Fins, this will be a very terrible time for the Georgian Army. I don't think their patriotism can help them too much unfortunately. Historically, I have a feeling this'll be like when California and Texas declared their independence from Mexico. Abkhazia will probably be like Texas, trying to be a republic but ultimately yielding to the United States. I see Ossetia like California, which was supported by the US to revolt against Mexico and declare independence, but was shortly afterwards annexed. Another important thing to keep in mind is that while the US and Western Europe backs Georgia, it's really in order to check Russia. Just like a nearby ally, Turkey, it has its stretch of human rights violations and other issues that send messages of double standards to the world. Russians took offense to Kosovo's independence (I support their independence by the way), saying that it wasn't fair that enemies of the West were getting their lands carved up for the ethnic divisions, while nations like Turkey, Georgia, and what not have ethnic groups of their own who are just as, if not more deserving of a nation. I'm not saying that Russia is a champion of self-determination, Chechnya shows us that. I doubt this'll escalate any further past a regional conflict. The only thing worth anything in Georgia is an oil pipeline that travels through it, but in terms of annexing Georgia in its entirety, I'd imagine Russia wouldn't really bother. This is more of a dual thing they are doing here- sending a message to other pro-Russian allies in countries with a pro-Western government, and showing these more vocal countries like Georgia that they aren't going to stand by and watch. And no, I'm not saying this because of "RUSSIA ARE COMMIES ERGO THEY ARE COOL LOL", just setting facts straight. Georgia isn't really as much of a victim as they are making themselves out to be.
To the above, the Georgians are rapidly loosing credibility as the truth pours in through east european media censorship and propaganda.
Thanks, Mercz, I was trying to understand What was going on
Pictures from BBC, in case anyone missed them: [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44905000/jpg/_44905628_d9867d03-6f68-44f7-ad3d-43ffc98647fe.jpg[/img] Georgian Troops: [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44905000/jpg/_44905641_-135.jpg[/img] The Leader of the seperatists, Eduard Kokoity: [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44903000/jpg/_44903294_-168.jpg[/img] [b]Edit:[/b] [B]CNN UPDATE[/B] [quote=CNN]TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Bombs rocked Tbilisi early Saturday morning as the fight between Georgia and Russia over a breakaway region intensified and moved into the Georgian capital. Government buildings, including the Parliament, were evacuated when the bombs fell. Heavy casualties have reported on both sides since Russian forces moved Friday into South Ossetia, a pro-Russian autonomous region of Georgia. Russian bombers were targeting Georgia's economic infrastructure, National Security Council secretary Alexander Lomaia said, including the country's largest Black Sea port, Poti, and the main road connecting the southern part of Georgia with the east and the airport. Georgian television reported that the port had been destroyed. Georgia, a former Soviet state, sent troops into South Ossetia on Thursday, aiming to crack down on the separatists, who want independence or unification with North Ossetia, which is in Russia. Russia responded Friday, sending troops into the Georgian province where it had peacekeepers stationed. "I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," Lyudmila Ostayeva, a resident of the South Ossetia capital, Tskhinvali, told The Associated Press on Friday. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged," she said after fleeing to a village near the Russian border, AP reported. "They are killing civilians, women and children, with heavy artillery and rockets," Sarmat Laliyev, 28, told AP. One U.S. State Department official called the conflict a "very dangerous situation" and said diplomatic moves are afoot around the globe to stop it.[/quote] More [url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html]here[/url]. Apparently the Russkies are still bombing T'bilisi. I'll post more news updates as I find them, if you guys want.
[QUOTE=Bitores]To the above, the Georgians are rapidly loosing credibility as the truth pours in through east european media censorship and propaganda.[/QUOTE] Actually most, if not all western media are being bias as fuck becuase Georgia is pro-American, and most dumb asses think Russia are still communist [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Bitores]Pictures from BBC, in case anyone missed them: [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44905000/jpg/_44905628_d9867d03-6f68-44f7-ad3d-43ffc98647fe.jpg[/img] Georgian Troops: [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44905000/jpg/_44905641_-135.jpg[/img] The Leader of the seperatists, Eduard Kokoity: [img]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44903000/jpg/_44903294_-168.jpg[/img] [b]Edit:[/b] [B]CNN UPDATE[/B] More [url=http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html]here[/url]. Apparently the Russkies are still bombing T'bilisi. I'll post more news updates as I find them, if you guys want.[/QUOTE] NATO bombed Belgrade, the Capital of Serbia, even though it's 250km Away from Kosovo.
[QUOTE=Bitores]To the above, the Georgians are rapidly loosing credibility as the truth pours in through east european media censorship and propaganda.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what you mean? Are you implying that the Eastern European natiosn are covering up Georgia's mess? If you are, get a geography lesson, Georgia is in the Caucasus, not Eastern Europe. If you are implying that Georgia is being demonized by countries in Eastern Europe- countries like Ukraine don't really support Russian policies, and they are still "Eastern European". Same goes for Slovakia and the Czech Republic. They still know who's really at fault. No, the truth is not because the Eastern European "censorship and propaganda" is being jammed down our throats to make Georgia look bad, because believe me, it isn't. Georgia is taking advantage of most of the world not really paying attention to the situation, and when shit finally hit the fan, they cry that the oppressors have come to annex them. It was actually kind of funny- the Georgian government site got hacked, and someone intertwined pictures of Hitler with Saakashvili on that site. Shame I didn't save it.
[QUOTE=LesGunKid]Actually most, if not all western media are being bias as fuck becuase Georgia is pro-American, and most dumb asses think Russia are still communist [/QUOTE] True, but it seems at least Reuters is (to some extent) reporting both sides. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=MercZ]I don't understand what you mean? Are you implying that the Eastern European natiosn are covering up Georgia's mess? If you are, get a geography lesson, Georgia is in the Caucasus, not Eastern Europe. If you are implying that Georgia is being demonized by countries in Eastern Europe- countries like Ukraine don't really support Russian policies, and they are still "Eastern European". Same goes for Slovakia and the Czech Republic. They still know who's really at fault. No, the truth is not because the Eastern European "censorship and propaganda" is being jammed down our throats to make Georgia look bad, because believe me, it isn't. Georgia is taking advantage of most of the world not really paying attention to the situation, and when shit finally hit the fan, they cry that the oppressors have come to annex them. It was actually kind of funny- the Georgian government site got hacked, and someone intertwined pictures of Hitler with Saakashvili on that site. Shame I didn't save it.[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying that the Russian Media is Exaggerating and misreporting facts. Don't worry, the west is too.
[img]http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080808&t=2&i=5503392&w=&r=2008-08-08T224849Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE18[/img] You gotta hand it to these Georgian Soldiers, they have big balls. To know your odds and what your up against and not back down.
[QUOTE=xamllew][img]http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080808&t=2&i=5503392&w=&r=2008-08-08T224849Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE18[/img] You gotta hand it to these Georgian Soldiers, they have big balls. To know your odds and what your up against and not back down.[/QUOTE] Are they still being conscripted out of T'bilisi?
Most of the news agencies are trying to, but the issue is that few people have background knowledge of the incident. They don't go out of their way to say that it was the Georgians who began bombing Tskhinvali first and caused most of these civilian casualties. They leave it to the Western mindset to think that Russia just randomly invaded Georgia. [quote]Are they still being conscripted out of T'bilisi?[/quote] They'll need all the manpower they can get to stop the Russians, but that won't really help. The president's already put in a plea for a ceasefire.
[QUOTE=xamllew][img]http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080808&t=2&i=5503392&w=&r=2008-08-08T224849Z_01_L7680404_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE18[/img] You gotta hand it to these Georgian Soldiers, they have big balls. To know your odds and what your up against and not back down.[/QUOTE] Big balls? They tried to take over and Entrench Ossetia so the Russians wouldn't be able to do anything, it backfired when they didn't take the ossetian capital, and when the Russians invaded.
[QUOTE=MercZ]Most of the news agencies are trying to, but the issue is that few people have background knowledge of the incident. They don't go out of their way to say that it was the Georgians who began bombing Tskhinvali first and caused most of these civilian casualties. They leave it to the Western mindset to think that Russia just randomly invaded Georgia.[/QUOTE] Not trying to upset you, I meant simply that it's becoming increasingly clear that both sides are reporting with a bit of a bias to one side of the other, so it's getting hard to collect all the facts. But Georgia's rapidly loosing it's "ohgod we're being annexed by the evil russians halp" status. At least in my eyes. [b]Edit:[/b] Fox has a new article, but none of the facts / viewpoints / warmonger rumors are new, it's all old.
[QUOTE=Bitores]Are they still being conscripted out of T'bilisi?[/QUOTE] They are? Well they still have balls. It's basically suicide going up against the Russian Military...with their not so modern Soviet equipment and there numbers.
[QUOTE=xamllew]They are? Well they still have balls. It's basically suicide going up against the Russian Military...with their not so modern Soviet equipment and there numbers.[/QUOTE] Most of them are also being pulled from a city that was being shelled, and supposedly shitloads are fleeing the area to avoid conscription.
[QUOTE=xamllew]They are? Well they still have balls. It's basically suicide going up against the Russian Military...with their not so modern Soviet equipment and there numbers.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, The Georgians have been getting Western equipment, and American Training for the pass 3 years.
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