It really tickles me that NATO and EU and UN are supporting Georgia. It seems like backing tiny territories against larger powers when they inflict brutal attacks on them is perfectly okay when the Americans do it. They're still butthurt from the cold war and it's just showing now.
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Oh by the way, the Georgian Airforce was destroyed on the ground by Russian Fighter/bombers. So they are butterfingered.
The Georgians will be able to hold of the Russians for a year or so as long as America sends ammo food and medicine.
[QUOTE=MooKipz]I agree with anything chappy says.[/QUOTE]
That's the spirit.
[QUOTE=Toline]The Georgians will be able to hold of the Russians for a year or so as long as America sends ammo food and medicine.[/QUOTE]
I doubt it. A lot of people, not just the Russians, want to defend S. Ossetia from Georgia.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains][img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_police_071109_ssh.jpg[/img]
They had some serious riots in 2007 over human rights and lack of democracy I think.[/QUOTE]Combine/demoman mix? :uhoh:
taking bets on whether Russia will attempt to shoot down USAF planes carrying Georgians
[QUOTE=Dr_Chippay]Regardless, it's still not a genocide.[/QUOTE]
Who cares, they still killed civilians.
Honestly, Georgia's had issues and they are not popular. I've said it again, and I'll say it again. Georgia could have found a way to peacefully solve this ever since they forced these provinces back under their control in the early 1990s. Rather than trying to find a diplomatic solution, they've persisted on scapegoating the Abkhazians and Ossetians to justify their military spending and moves that've antagonized Russia in their attempt to distract their people from the corruption and economic woes.
I mean, does it really justify fucking the city to kingdom come? Couldn't they've just you know, come into the town and impose emergency martial law and root out the separatists rather than bombing everything to hell?
Georgia's made a bad move, and they can't expect the West to come in and clean up their mess. The nations of the West have no obligation to Georgia besides seeking a cease-fire and re-opening negotiations. They can kiss their NATO bid goodbye too.
I'm not saying Russia isn't at fault here either, because they are guilty for really pushing harsh military action outside of where it wasn't needed, but Georgia isn't really as much as a victim as they portray themselves to be.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains][img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_police_071109_ssh.jpg[/img]
They had some serious riots in 2007 over human rights and lack of democracy I think.[/QUOTE]
Again, Georgia's got some serious political and social issues that've been played down due to it being pro-Western.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]taking bets on whether Russia will attempt to shoot down USAF planes carrying Georgians[/QUOTE]
Somebody call a bookmaker and make this a valid betting...
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]taking bets on whether Russia will attempt to shoot down USAF planes carrying Georgians[/QUOTE]
I wonder if they can tell the difference between a US soldier and a georgian soldier in a helicopter.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]taking bets on whether Russia will attempt to shoot down USAF planes carrying Georgians[/QUOTE]
I'm cringing. This is such a possible outcome and it's scary.
[QUOTE=T1L_Goose]I'm cringing. This is such a possible outcome and it's scary.[/QUOTE]
I don't think they'd be foolish enough to transport soldiers to a battlefield.
[QUOTE=Conscript]I don't think they'd be foolish enough to transport soldiers to a battlefield.[/QUOTE]
that's exactly what they're doing
the US is providing Georgians transport back to Georgia
[QUOTE=Conscript]I don't think they'd be foolish enough to transport soldiers to a battlefield.[/QUOTE]
Well, obviously not, but there is a gap between Iraq and Georgia, and all it needs is a well placed SAM site between the trip.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]that's exactly what they're doing
the US is providing Georgians transport back to Georgia[/QUOTE]
I'm going to laugh when they act surprised.
[QUOTE=MrSman]And no I'm not stupid. I'm just telling the true.[/QUOTE]
Oh man how ironic is that.
[quote] [B] U.S. official: Russia's attack on Georgia is 'disproportionate'
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Russia's use of strategic bombers and ballistic missiles against Georgia's civilians outside of the South Ossetian conflict is "far disproportionate" to Georgia's alleged attack on Russian peacekeepers, a senior U.S. official said Saturday.
The official was not authorized to speak on the record due to the sensitive nature of the diplomacy.
Russia's use of its potent air weaponry signals a "severe" and "dangerous escalation in the crisis," the official said.
"For the life of me, I can't image that being a proportionate response to the charge that Georgia has attacked Russian peacekeepers," the official said. "It's hard for us to understand what Russia's plan is here."
The official said Russia is probably trying to destabilize Georgia politically to kill its chances of joining NATO.
Georgia wants to join NATO, but Russia opposes the move, concerned that the alliance's eastward march will erode its influence. NATO rejected Georgia's membership bid in April despite strong lobbying from U.S. President Bush, though the alliance promised that Georgia could join at a later date.
Still, Georgia bears some of the blame for the fighting over South Ossetia, the official said. Recently, the United States has had "very blunt exchanges with" Georgia, telling its leaders that they have no chance of winning a war with Russia and that they should stick to a path of diplomacy. Video Watch injured Georgian soldier being treated »
The official said European allies have told the United States that Russia has "crossed a line of unacceptable behavior" and should "expect international condemnation."
"I do sense an emerging unified view among our key allies," he said.
The United Sates, Britain and NATO on Friday called for a cease-fire. And on Saturday, French President Nicolas Sarkozy proposed an immediate cease-fire as part of a three-step plan to end fighting.
Sarkozy's proposal calls for the return of Russian and Georgian troops to their former positions and requires Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity be respected. A statement from Sarkozy's office did not provide further details on the plan.
The official also said the State Department has authorized only the voluntary departure of dependents of U.S. embassy employees from the Georgian capital of Tbilisi. The official said he did not know how many dependents would choose to leave.
Meanwhile, the U.N. Security Council held a private meeting on Georgia on Saturday, though it seemed unlikely that there would be any immediate agreement on a statement on the conflict.
The U.S., European Union and international security organizations on Friday called for an end to the fighting
Bush and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Friday discussed the conflict in Beijing, where they attended the opening of the Summer Olympics.
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The EU and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe were sending envoys to Georgia to secure a cease-fire, but a senior U.S. State Department official said the United States would send only a representative after a cease-fire is in place.
The European Union said it was working with other parties "towards a ceasefire in order to prevent further escalation of this conflict." EU spokeswoman Christina Gallach told CNN: "We think it is not acceptable to see these scenes of bloodshed and destruction."[/quote]
Who says Russia can't use all they got?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]Who says Russia can't use all they got?[/QUOTE]
Stacked teams :argh:
Doesn't this whole conflict kind of echo Ghost Recon?
-p.s. why do so many people on this thread have hammer & sickle avatars?
[QUOTE=SeamanStains][img]http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_police_071109_ssh.jpg[/img]
They had some serious riots in 2007 over human rights and lack of democracy I think.[/QUOTE]
what the fuck.
Fallout 2 screen anyone?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]Who says Russia can't use all they got?[/QUOTE]
Punkbuster
If we do transport the Georgians we'll have quite a few fighter jets escorting them.
[QUOTE=Toline]If we do transport the Georgians we'll have quite a few fighter jets escorting them.[/QUOTE]
Then they might as well declare war. That'll be seen as hostile by Russia.
[QUOTE=Conscript]Then they might as well declare war. That'll be seen as hostile by Russia.[/QUOTE]
It's Georgian airspace not Russian.
[QUOTE=Toline]It's Georgian airspace not Russian.[/QUOTE]
Russia has already shown it's disregard for it with the bombing of Gori. I'm betting Russia will act pre-emptively.
They invaded Georgia? I live there and I don't see any Russians and there is supposed to be tanks so I should be worried.
[QUOTE=Lyfeless]They invaded Georgia? I live there and I don't see any Russians and there is supposed to be tanks so I should be worried.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Lyfeless]They invaded Georgia? I live there and I don't see any Russians and there is supposed to be tanks so I should be worried.[/QUOTE]
There's a ton of misinformation, probably from both sides, as far as I know that is confirmed, Russian forces have taken control of the South Ossetian capital, and are bombing Gori, and military targets.
If you're in T'bilsi then you [B]should[/B] be fine unless it escalates.
[QUOTE=T1L_Goose]I'm cringing. This is such a possible outcome and it's scary.[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine that russia would actually want the US to go to war with them, there is no way it could end well.
[QUOTE=Toline]It's Georgian airspace not Russian.[/QUOTE]
Technically by us giving them transport that could be seen as aiding the enemy- an act of war.
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[QUOTE=KillerTV]There's a ton of misinformation, probably from both sides, as far as I know that is confirmed, Russian forces have taken control of the South Ossetian capital, and are bombing Gori, and military targets.
If you're in T'bilsi then you [B]should[/B] be fine unless it escalates.[/QUOTE]
holy shit
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]Technically by us giving them transport that could be seen as aiding the enemy- an act of war.[/QUOTE]
Yes but why on earth would you be looking for excuses to go to war with one of the most powerful nations on earth?
Something is only an act of war if you choose to see it as such.
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