• Shit in Georgia/Russia is about to hit the fan
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[QUOTE=chris0132]Yes but why on earth would you be looking for excuses to go to war with one of the most powerful nations on earth? Something is only an act of war if you choose to see it as such.[/QUOTE] I know, I was just saying. If it would come down to it, it'd be the Russian commanders to blame for ordering an attack, and not Medvedev/Putin.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]I know, I was just saying. If it would come down to it, it'd be the Russian commanders to blame for ordering an attack, and not Medvedev/Putin.[/QUOTE] Possibly, but the solution there is to simply present the US with said commander's balls on a toasting fork. Which is far better than getting large amounts of people killed and materials lost by engaging in a full scale war with america. I can't imagine that any leader would be dumb enough to let his ego get in the way of his continued existence.
[QUOTE=chris0132]Possibly, but the solution there is to simply present the US with said commander's balls on a toasting fork. Which is far better than getting large amounts of people killed and materials lost by engaging in a full scale war with america. I can't imagine that any leader would be dumb enough to let his ego get in the way of his continued existence.[/QUOTE] *cough*hitler*cough* But, Russia would probably warn the US not to transport Georgian soldiers beforehand.
[QUOTE=Conscript]*cough*hitler*cough* But, Russia would probably warn the US not to transport Georgian soldiers beforehand.[/QUOTE] I don't think hitler is in charge of either the US or russia. And regardless of warnings, neither country can afford to act on them. No amount of georgian troops is going to cause russia any serious hindrance, whatever their plans are.
[QUOTE=chris0132]I don't think hitler is in charge of either the US or russia. And regardless of warnings, neither country can afford to act on them.[/QUOTE] You asked what leader would place his ego before his intellect. You're right, but they would still warn them regardless. What else would the US do to aid Georgia?
[QUOTE=Conscript]You asked what leader would place his ego before his intellect. You're right, but they would still warn them regardless. What else would the US do to aid Georgia?[/QUOTE] No I didn't, I didn't ask anything, I stated that no leader, implying current, would do that.
[QUOTE=chris0132]No I didn't, I didn't ask anything, I stated that no leader, implying current, would do that.[/QUOTE] To be exact, no you didn't. [quote=chris0132]I can't imagine that any leader would be dumb enough to let his ego get in the way of his continued existence.[/quote] I was pointing out Hitler would be such a person.
[QUOTE=chris0132]No I didn't, I didn't ask anything, I stated that no leader, implying current, would do that.[/QUOTE] Georgia's president. He might want the troops to land closer than they want to try and spark an international incident that he has been wanting. That's the whole reason he was blitzing the media over this, to try and drag NATO into it.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]Georgia's president. He might want the troops to land closer than they want.[/QUOTE] Georgia's president isn't the one giving orders to the US military.
[QUOTE=chris0132]Georgia's president isn't the one giving orders to the US military.[/QUOTE] He does have an incredible lack of judgment.
[QUOTE=MercZ]Who cares, they still killed civilians. [/QUOTE] Yes. And that's not a genocide. I really don't know why this is confusing. Genocide is not another word for killing. Genocide is not another word for murder.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]He does have an incredible lack of judgment.[/QUOTE] And he can misjudge all he wants but he still can't make the US air force start dropping georgian troops on top of the russians.
[QUOTE=chris0132]And he can misjudge all he wants but he still can't make the US air force start dropping georgian troops on top of the russians.[/QUOTE] just sayin'
Why the hell should we help the Georgians? Russia declared war, sure, but Georgia was killing the russian peacekeepers!
[QUOTE=gokulol]Why the hell should we help the Georgians? Russia declared war, sure, but Georgia was killing the russian peacekeepers![/QUOTE] Because georgia gives better political head than russia.
[QUOTE=chris0132]Because georgia gives better political head than russia.[/QUOTE] I'm being 100% serious, those Georgians should die.
[QUOTE=gokulol]Why the hell should we help the Georgians? Russia declared war, sure, but Georgia was killing the russian peacekeepers![/QUOTE] The only justifications we have are: 1. Georgia is a democratically elected, pro-western ally of the US 2. Georgia legally has every right to assert its territorial rights 3. Depending on where you look, S. Ossetian separatists HAVE been skirmishing before Georgia went in. It's another case of the alliance system at work.
[QUOTE=gokulol]I'm being 100% serious, those Georgians should die.[/QUOTE] Why should the Georgians pay for their politicians being a bunch of dicks?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]The only justifications we have are: 1. Georgia is a democratically elected, pro-western ally of the US 2. Georgia legally has every right to assert its territorial rights 3. Depending on where you look, S. Ossetian separatists HAVE been skirmishing before Georgia went in. It's another case of the alliance system at work.[/QUOTE] But if we help Georgia there's a high probability it could escalate into World War 3. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=KillerTV]Why should the Georgians pay for their politicians being a bunch of dicks?[/QUOTE] Touché
[QUOTE=KillerTV]Why should the Georgians pay for their politicians being a bunch of dicks?[/QUOTE] Same reason the russians should.
[QUOTE=gokulol]But if we help Georgia there's a high probability it could escalate into World War 3. [b]Edit:[/b] Touché[/QUOTE] The only possible thing that can make this get out of hand is to be if Russia does anything about the USAF planes transporting Georgians. From the reaction so far, we can expect everyone is gonna say no-no to Russia and call it a day.
[QUOTE=chris0132]Same reason the russians should.[/QUOTE] Two countries have a pissing contest, so the citizens need to suffer? OK this time I'm not following you.
[QUOTE=KillerTV]Two countries have a pissing contest, so the citizens need to suffer? OK this time I'm not following you.[/QUOTE] Well from the sounds of it you are siding with georgia on this one, which also means you're siding against russia, and therefore presumably you have a reason why the russians can die but georgians can't. Either that or you aren't siding with anyone.
[QUOTE=chris0132]Well from the sounds of it you are siding with georgia on this one, which also means you're siding against russia, and therefore presumably you have a reason why the russians can die but georgians can't. Either that or you aren't siding with anyone.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty neutral on the whole situation. Georgia is way in the wrong shelling a city full of civilians, even if it's to get at seperatist. While it's technically a dispute within their own country, I can see why Russia is rushing to help the South Ossetians. I can't help thinking that Russia is perhaps being a little harsh, and I have to question underlying motives. I think both sides have let the whole situation escalate way too far, and they need to get some form of ceasefire down straight away before it spirals way out of control. So yeah, I don't care for either side at the moment. [B]EDIT:[/B] Oh dear 2:35AM, going to sleep bros.
I have a feeling this is going to end with Russia annexing land from Georgia. I've got my fingers crossed that our transports(speaking for America here) with the Georgian troops aren't blown out of the sky, especially seeing as we're essentially neutral.
[QUOTE=gokulol]Why the hell should we help the Georgians? Russia declared war, sure, but Georgia was killing the russian peacekeepers![/QUOTE] But Russian backed Serparatist killed 10 Georgians before all of that!
[quote][B]Joint Declaration of Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian and Polish Presidents on the situation in Georgia[/B] 09.08.2008 We, the leaders of the former captive nations from Eastern Europe and current members of the European Union and NATO– Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland – are extremely concerned about the actions of the Russian Federation against Georgia. We strongly condemn the actions by the Russian military forces against the sovereign and independent country of Georgia. [B]Following the unilateral military actions of the Russian military forces, we will use all means available to us as Presidents to ensure that aggression against a small country in Europe will not be passed over in silence or with meaningless statements equating the victims with the victimizers[/B]. To this end we intend to urge our governments to take the following positions in discussions and to raise these concerns in the European Union and the North Atlantic Council: - Can the current Russian authorities be called adequate strategic partners of the EU; - Can the family of European democratic countries pursue a mutually beneficial dialogue with a country that uses heavy military armour against an independent country; - It is pointless to continue a “visa facilitation” program with a country that does not meet even the minimal requirements set by the EU and which uses visa facilitation to issue Russian Federation passports to foreigners and then abuses this EU given privilege to claim intervention rights such as "we are protecting Russian citizens" in South Ossetia. - The actions of the Russian Federation in Georgia should influence the talks with the Russian Federation, including negotiations on the new Partnership and Cooperation Agreement. We underline the obvious bankruptcy of Russian “peacekeeping operations” in its immediate neighbourhood. The Russian Federation has overstepped a red-line in keeping the peace and stability in the conflict zone and in protecting Russian citizens outside its own borders. The EU and NATO must take the initiative and stand-up against the spread of imperialist and revisionist policy in the East of Europe. New international peacekeeping forces should be created as the current setting proved to be ineffective. We regret that not granting of the NATO’s Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Georgia was seen as a green light for agression in the region. We believe that the EU and NATO as the key organizations for European and Transatlantic stability and security should play a leading and crucial role in securing freedom, security and prosperity of countries not only in the EU but also in the neighboring European area. It a litmus-test for the credibility of the EU and NATO to solve the conflict in its immediate neighborhood and to prove for all EU and NATO members, aspirant countries and democratic partners that it is worth being members and partners of these organizations. This Declaration is open for the accession by the leaders of other democratic countries. President of the Republic of Estonia Toomas Hendrik Ilves President of the Republic of Latvia Valdis Zatlers President of the Republic of Lithuania Valdas Adamkus President of the Republic of Poland Lech Kaczyński [/quote] What does this mean.
This is gonna get worse before it get better.
Eastern Europe is still salty over the whole USSR thing.
by the end of this, all major Western and pro-west Eastern Europe nations are gonna get their international deplomacy dicks erected so fast it'll be like they were trying to launch satellites on the tips of their enormous cocks
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