• Shit in Georgia/Russia is about to hit the fan
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[QUOTE=nevaeh]Wow! You make it sound like Russia is completely innocent. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything the news says..[/QUOTE] Maybe you should not believe your news much too?
[QUOTE=karimatrix]We will fight in Ausralia? Sweeet...[/QUOTE] What he's saying is.. NATO will rape you. Horribly
[QUOTE=Linelor]No offense to him but I think no matter how much they deny it the Russian government has the people damn near brainwashed.[/QUOTE] WE say exactly the same about west...
[QUOTE=karimatrix]Maybe you should not believe your news much too?[/QUOTE] Believe me..I don't. I think most of the news here is bullshit anyway. Always focusing on the bad, and never the good.
[QUOTE=Snorkel]Too many contradicting news (peace, war, bombings, no bombings), I want to know what the fuck exactly is going on right now.[/QUOTE] Either Russia is ignoring the cease-fire or else Georgia has not sent out any cease-fire agreement, just to make it look like it want peace...
[QUOTE]President Mikhail Saakashvili says he signed the document together with French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner and his Finnish counterpart, Alexander Stubb. Saakashvili says the EU mediators will head to Moscow later Monday to try to persuade Russia to accept the cease-fire. Meanwhile, a senior general says Russia has no plans to move its troops from Georgia's two breakaway provinces into Georgian-controlled territory. Deputy chief of General Staff Col. Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn says Russia does not intend to move deeper into Georgia. Georgian officials earlier reported Russian tanks moving from the breakaway province of South Ossetia into Georgian-controlled territory and heading toward the strategic city of Gori before being turned back. Russia's military also denied Georgian claims that it had bombed Georgian oil pipelines, including a key export route to the Turkish Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, Reuters reports. "We are not bombing oil pipelines," Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy head of Russia's general staff, told reporters in Moscow at a daily briefing. Swarms of Russian jets launched new raids on Georgian territory Monday and Russia demanded Georgia disarm troops near the breakaway province of Abkhazia. Georgia said a Russian general's ultimatum to disarm carried the threat of a Russian offensive in the Abkhazia region. That would be a major escalation in the Russian-Georgian conflict that blew up after a Georgian offensive to regain control of the other breakaway province of South Ossetia. Georgian troops fled South Ossetia on Sunday, yielding to superior Russian firepower, and Georgian leaders pleaded for a cease-fire. Moscow responded that Georgia was not observing its cease-fire pledge. Click here to view photos. International envoys flew into the region late Sunday in an effort to end the conflict before it spreads throughout the Caucasus. French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, representing the European Union, said Monday he met with Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili and found him "determined to make peace." Russia's deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn said on Russian television Monday that Russia demanded Georgia disarm police in Zugdidi, adjoining Abkhazia, but did not say what would happen if they do not. Georgian Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said earlier that Gen. Sergei Chaban, in charge of Russian peacekeepers in Abkhazia, conveyed a Russian ultimatum for Georgia to disarm via U.N. military observers in the area. With most Georgian forces concentrated near South Ossetia, it could be hard for Georgia to repel an Abkhazian offensive. Abkhazia's Russian-supported separatist government called out the army and reservists on Sunday and declared it would push Georgian forces out of the northern part of the Kodori Gorge, the only area of Abkhazia still under Georgian control. Chaban said 9,000 additional Russian troops and 350 armored vehicles had arrived in Abkhazia to support Russian peacekeepers there, Russian news reports said. He said Russian forces were also preparing to help disarm Georgian forces in the gorge. Russian jets hit a radar on the outskirts of the Georgian capital on Monday, bombed an airfield and also targeted the Black Sea port of Poti, inflicting no casualties, Georgian officials said. Georgian Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said that up to 50 Russian jets were roaming Georgian skies all at once as of Monday morning. Russian officials said the air raids targeted supply lines and military facilities and were not directed at civilians, but one Russian raid on the town of Gori killed over 20 and wounded scores of others Saturday. Georgia's Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said Russian tanks attempted to advance in the direction of the town of Gori outside South Ossetia, but were turned back by Georgian forces. Russia struck the town of 50,000, which sits on Georgia's only significant east-west highway, over the weekend. Georgia began an offensive to regain control over South Ossetia overnight Friday with heavy rocket and artillery fire and air strikes that ravaged the provincial capital, Tskhinvali. Russia, which has developed close ties with the region and granted passports to most of its residents, sent in thousands of troops who launched overwhelming artillery barrage and air attacks on Georgian troops. Heavy Russian shelling drove the Georgian forces out of the provincial capital of Tskhinvali on Sunday. Saakashvili declared a cease-fire around South Ossetia on Sunday, but Russian officials said Monday that Georgian forces were not observing it. Russian Maj.-Gen. Marat Kulakhmetov said that Georgian forces continued shelling Russian positions overnight and conducted a bombing run in the area. Russian Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said Russian ships deployed to Georgia's Black Sea coast on Sunday sank one of four Georgian patrol boats that dangerously approached them and refused to stop, and turned the others back. Georgian Coast Guard chief David Golua dismissed the Russian claim. U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday sharply criticized Moscow's military crackdown on Georgia, saying the violence is unacceptable and Russia's response is disproportionate. "I've expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia and that we strongly condemn the bombing outside of South Ossetia," Bush said in an interview with NBC Sports. The violence appeared to show Russian determination to subdue small, U.S.-backed Georgia, even at the risk of international reproach. Russia fended off a wave of international calls to observe Georgia's cease-fire, saying it must first be assured that Georgian forces pull out of the region. "We know they haven't left and are continuing to shoot at our peacekeepers," Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said during Sunday's debates at the U.N. Security Council. The council met for the fourth time in four days to discuss the crisis; U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad accused Moscow of seeking "regime change" in Georgia and resisting attempts to make peace. Churkin said Russians don't use the expression, but acknowledged there were occasions when elected leaders "become an obstacle." Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin said more than 2,000 people had been killed in South Ossetia since Friday, most of them Ossetians with Russian passports. The figures could not be independently confirmed, but refugees who fled the city said hundreds were killed. Moscow accused Saakashvili of breaking his own truce hours after he announced it and launching a rocket and artillery barrage on civilians and Russian peacekeepers in the province. Russian leaders accused Georgians of genocide against South Ossetians and vowed to bring those responsible to justice. Georgia said it launched the attack on South Ossetia in response to separatists firing at Georgian villages, and accused Russia of aggression. Russian jets raided Georgian air bases, communications lines and other facilities, including the areas near key Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which carries Caspian crude to the West. No supply interruptions have been reported. Georgia said it has shot down 10 Russian planes, but Russia acknowledged the loss of only two. Saakashvili said one of the Russian raids on the Tbilisi airport area came a half hour before the arrival of the foreign ministers of France and Finland — in the country to try to mediate. Other Georgian officials said, however, the airport had not been hit. France's Kouchner called the hostilities in South Ossetia "massacres," hours before he and Finnish counterpart Alexander Stubb left for Tbilisi and a meeting with Saakashvili. South Ossetia broke away from Georgian control in 1992. Russia granted passports to most of its residents, and the region's separatist leaders sought absorption of the region into Russia. Georgia borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s. Both separatist provinces have close ties with Moscow, while Georgia has deeply angered Russia by wanting to join NATO. The U.S. military began flying 2,000 Georgian troops home from Iraq after Georgia recalled them, even while calling for a truce. [/QUOTE] That's what's happening with the so called "Cease-fire"
About brain washing - point is that the Russian channels are the only one who show both news to compare. Did not see any news about Information war on West channels... PLEASE some one post here map of conflict zone soo i will clear this once and for all!
For some reason, I have a feeling that somewhere we have some special forces or such waiting to be deployed into Georgia. Rangers or what not. At least on stand by.. [b]Edit:[/b] I don't have anything against Russia..I think it's great. By right now at this point, it seems they are making themselves look like the lesser of two evils.
There is 1000 km to Moskva from Georgia. That would take 9 hours by car or 3 hours by plane...
[QUOTE=karimatrix]About brain washing - point is that the Russian channels are the only one who show both news to compare. Did not see any news about Information war on West channels...[/QUOTE] The major difference isn't that it's that Russia can control their media where as we can't. Even if the laws say they can't they probably do to make sure all of it keep the people happy. Russia's been doing this for long as I can remember. They turn their media into propaganda and with a leader like Putin I can most definitely see them doing it.
[QUOTE=nevaeh]For some reason, I have a feeling that somewhere we have some special forces or such waiting to be deployed into Georgia. Rangers or what not. At least on stand by.[/QUOTE] I could probably actually make a phone call and find out about that one. I have a friend that is Delta. [b]Edit:[/b] :raise: Broke my automerge.
[QUOTE=nevaeh]For some reason, I have a feeling that somewhere we have some special forces or such waiting to be deployed into Georgia. Rangers or what not. At least on stand by.. [b]Edit:[/b] I don't have anything against Russia..I think it's great. By right now at this point, it seems they are making themselves look like the lesser of two evils.[/QUOTE] Russia right now is like admin on Gmod server - good realtions with once mingebag, who buildgood contraptions, playsfair and all that stuff. Then suddenly this mingebag spams big load of chimneys. What will do admin? Kick him. Minge returns and continue to spam, Admin bans him.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Europe_location_GEO2.png[/img] Там вы идете.
Since everybody is in a bad move, here is a good song: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMWXyEHoN88[/media]
[QUOTE=karimatrix]Russia right now is like admin on Gmod server - good realtions with once mingebag, who buildgood contraptions, playsfair and all that stuff. Then suddenly this mingebag spams big load of chimneys. What will do admin? Kick him. Minge returns and continue to spam, Admin bans him.[/QUOTE] Problem is Russia's one of them countries that hits the ban button over someone accidentally spawning an effect so the big kids have to come take away it's powers and give it a timeout.
[QUOTE=Linelor]The major difference isn't that it's that Russia can control their media where as we can't. Even if the laws say they can't they probably do to make sure all of it keep the people happy. Russia's been doing this for long as I can remember. They turn their media into propaganda and with a leader like Putin I can most definitely see them doing it.[/QUOTE] You should definely look more Russia news, there is no such thing as propaganda since end of Soviet Union. Right now our jounralists try to expose corrution inside goverment, everyone here know how corruped is our police or justice system.
[QUOTE=Linelor]I could probably actually make a phone call and find out about that one. I have a friend that is Delta. [b]Edit:[/b] :raise: Broke my automerge.[/QUOTE] Remember? Delta doesn't exist ;) Haha, that would be pretty cool though. I'm not really familiar what delta does but I'm sure it would be recon or something.
Russia is starting to annoy the shit out of me. YES OK they've shown that they have more soldiers and are far superior to Georgia whe it comes to military things. OK. We've seen it. Now GTFO of Georgia. In my opinion, shelling South Ossetia in order to prevent attacks from rebels is pretty justified and a just national incident because South Ossetia belongs to Georgia. Why does Russia have to make such a big deal out of it. Leave Georgia alone. It's independent. I hate how Russia still seems to think that every country that used to be in the former Soviet Union is still property of Russia and has to obey russian politics. Leave Georgia alone, goddamned. The Russians need to stop blowing things out of proportion.
[QUOTE=Linelor][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Europe_location_GEO2.png[/img] Там вы идете.[/QUOTE] I said map of confilct...this too far big don't you think? But still thanks.
Conflict map here: [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/8077/warrb8.png[/IMG][/URL]
[QUOTE=karimatrix]About brain washing - point is that the Russian channels are the only one who show both news to compare. Did not see any news about Information war on West channels... PLEASE some one post here map of conflict zone soo i will clear this once and for all![/QUOTE] You'll forgive us if we think you sound brainwashed?
[QUOTE=drive_the_hive]Russia is starting to annoy the shit out of me. YES OK they've shown that they have more soldiers and are far superior to Georgia whe it comes to military things. OK. We've seen it. Now GTFO of Georgia. In my opinion, shelling South Ossetia in order to prevent attacks from rebels is pretty justified and a just national incident because South Ossetia belongs to Georgia. Why does Russia have to make such a big deal out of it. Leave Georgia alone. It's independent. I hate how Russia still seems to think that every country that used to be in the former Soviet Union is still property of Russia and has to obey russian politics. Leave Georgia alone, goddamned. The Russians need to stop blowing things out of proportion.[/QUOTE] See my above post. Russia is like a 8 year old with admin on a server. They find the stupidest reasons to bring down the ban hammer on people so the big boys have to come give him a timeout.
[QUOTE=drive_the_hive] Leave Georgia alone, goddamned. The Russians need to stop blowing things out of proportion.[/QUOTE] Read about 1992 agreement. Also i must remind you that Georgian begin this war by shelting Tshinval. Read whole thread - it took too much space to post all about peacemakers being killed and how bad is to believe news from Georgia. You sound VERY Pro-georgian. Even i try to be more neutral.
And about the oil pipeline bombing. Really I don't believe that at all. Why not bomb the pipeline that exports oil to the west?This skirmish surely justifies that.And all they would have to do is deny it. But who knows..maybe Georgia is trying to make the conflict bigger.
[QUOTE=Linelor]See my above post. Russia is like a 8 year old with admin on a server. They find the stupidest reasons to bring down the ban hammer on people so the big boys have to come give him a timeout.[/QUOTE] Big boys being NATO.
[QUOTE=nevaeh]And about the oil pipeline bombing. Really I don't believe that at all. Why not bomb the pipeline that exports oil to the west?This skirmish surely justifies that.And all they would have to do is deny it. But who knows..maybe Georgia is trying to make the conflict bigger.[/QUOTE] Seriously, if Georgia wants to start world war 3, then i hope Denmark is on the side of the russians. Seriously, this conflict now sounds [B]ALOT[/B] like the one from Call of Duty 4...
[QUOTE=karimatrix]Read about 1992 agreement. Also i must remind you that Georgian begin this war by shelting Tshinval. Read whole thread - it took too much space to post all about peacemakers being killed and how bad is to believe news from Georgia. BTW you sound VERY Pro-georgian. [B]Even i try to be more neutral.[/B][/QUOTE] You sound 100% pro-russian to me. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Beafman]Seriously, if Georgia wants to start world war 3, then i hope Denmark is on the side of the russians. Seriously, this conflict now sounds [B]ALOT[/B] like the one from Call of Duty 4...[/QUOTE] I would say more like World in Conflict.
Well put it this way. The Russians are going to do things and try to deny it. That's their way, it's always been that way and, no offense to you karim, but you can't take a Russian's word for it because as I said their media is still fed bullshit. The Georgians however have been sort of oppressed by Russia and they are friendly to NATO and the US and have helped us in Iraq so fuck yes they're going to probably take things a little out of proportion to try to get help. It's really a war of bullshit on both sides but from what I know of Russia, I side with the Georgians. [b]Edit:[/b] Also, unlike in World in Conflict, Russia would be utterly stomped into a mudhole by NATO and US forces in a conventional war.
[QUOTE=Linelor]Well put it this way. The Russians are going to do things and try to deny it. That's their way, it's always been that way and, no offense to you karim, but you can't take a Russian's word for it because as I said their media is still fed bullshit. The Georgians however have been sort of oppressed by Russia and they are friendly to NATO and the US and have helped us in Iraq so fuck yes they're going to probably take things a little out of proportion to try to get help. It's really a war of bullshit on both sides but from what I know of Russia, I side with the Georgians. [b]Edit:[/b] Also, unlike in World in Conflict, Russia would be utterly stomped into a mudhole by NATO and US forces in a conventional war.[/QUOTE] However Georgia knew that the russians support the south ossetians, and thought they might be able to invade South Ossetia while the opening of the olympic games were taking place, without russia noticing. Then when Russia did, Georgia suddenly cried that it was being attack for no reason by Russia. I'm with Russia on this one, Let them (military) die for their supidity...
[QUOTE=Beafman]However Georgia knew that the russians support the south ossetians, and thought they might be able to invade South Ossetia while the opening of the olympic games were taking place, without russia noticing. Then when Russia did, Georgia suddenly cried that it was being attack for no reason by Russia. I'm with Russia on this one, Let them (military) die for their supidity...[/QUOTE] Well I was with Russia too until the Georgians pulled out of Ossetia and the Russians kept bombing them. Including an international airport.
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