• Shit in Georgia/Russia is about to hit the fan
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Ok so let me get this right. Georgia wants South Ossetia back. And Russia claims that they were going to prepare for war on North Ossetia? I'm pretty lost here.. Sounds to me like someone thinks it's still the 18th Century..
[QUOTE=nevaeh]Ok so let me get this right. Georgia wants South Ossetia back. And Russia claims that they were going to prepare for war on North Ossetia? I'm pretty lost here.. Sounds to me like someone thinks it's still the 18th Century..[/QUOTE] North Osetia is part of Russian federation. Explain your post please.
[QUOTE=Linelor]Well I was with Russia too until the Georgians pulled out of Ossetia and the Russians kept bombing them. Including an international airport.[/QUOTE] however, the russians are reporting that the georgian military has not pulled out. I think Georgia is just buying time...
[QUOTE=nevaeh]Sounds to me like someone thinks it's still the 18th Century..[/QUOTE] Russia does. They think that any problem can be solved by blowing the living hell out of it. Which in modern times doesn't exactly work.
[QUOTE=Linelor]Russia does. They think that any problem can be solved by blowing the living hell out of it. Which in modern times doesn't exactly work.[/QUOTE] *Cough* [B]IRAQ WAR[/B] *Cough*
All of this reminds me of this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_war_of_independence[/url] I remember having to hide in the basement, although war never came to my city, but still war sucks badly, I feel sorry for those people.
[QUOTE=Linelor]Russia does. They think that any problem can be solved by blowing the living hell out of it. Which in modern times doesn't exactly work.[/QUOTE] Soo killing 2000 citizens and breaking all international agreement is modern way? I don't thinks soo.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Ghost_Recon_(video_game)#Ghost_Recon[/url] "During the first few missions of the game, the Ghosts battle South Ossetian rebel forces from the north of Georgia, who are harassing the legitimate government and its allies." Haha, now I know that Ghost Recon was a prophetic game!
[QUOTE=Beafman]*Cough* [B]IRAQ WAR[/B] *Cough*[/QUOTE] At least we manage to reduce collateral. From what I've seen the Russians still seem to not give a flying fuck who gets hit in the crossfire. Course then again, why should they and why should we at this point. We already have the reputation for doing it, might as well shoot them.
I would feel the same as Russia though. What would you do if Georgia massacred a few thousand civilians of you? I wouldn't fucking take that bullshit, and tell them to fuck off or I'm gonna bomb 'em. Georgia didn't fuck off, they're still in Ossetia.
[QUOTE=karimatrix] BTW you sound VERY Pro-georgian. Even i try to be more neutral.[/QUOTE] To be very honest, I'm as Pro-Georgian as you're Pro-Russian. Georgia is an independent country but Russia does not accept it's Independence. If Georgia thinks that it needs military force to fix stuff within its borders, fine, so be it. It's just like Israels protection wars. If Israel thinks it needs to shell some palestinians to stabilize national security, fine, so be it. America did the same shit with Iraq. NATIONAL SECURITY even though Iraq is on a completely different continent on the other side of the planet but South Ossetia is within Georgia and if the separatists don't accept Georgias way of life, fine, go to Russia but stop shelling Georgian villages or send out threats to sabotage Georgias infrastructure. It started like this: Separatists from South Ossetia keep annoying the Georgian government while Georgia wants to be united in order to join the Nato Forces. Georgias president thought he could kill two birds with one stone: Get rid of hostile separatists and get South Ossetia back under georgian control. Seems pretty justified to me, but then Russia comes along, being butthurt. What the hell... They have nothing to do with South Ossetia, nor Georgias business. Attacking Georgia is completely unjustified and stubborn. The Soviet Union is DEAD. Georgia does not have to obey russian politics and ideals anymore. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Denzo]I would feel the same as Russia though. What would you do if Georgia massacred a few thousand civilians of you? I wouldn't fucking take that bullshit, and tell them to fuck off or I'm gonna bomb 'em. Georgia didn't fuck off, they're still in Ossetia.[/QUOTE] It's Georgias business for gods sakes.
[QUOTE=drive_the_hive]To be very honest, I'm as Pro-Georgian as you're Pro-Russian. Georgia is an independent country but Russia does not accept it's Independence. If Georgia thinks that it needs military force to fix stuff within its borders, fine, so be it. It's just like Israels protection wars. If Israel thinks it needs to shell some palestinians to stabilize national security, fine, so be it. America did the same shit with Iraq. NATIONAL SECURITY even though Iraq is on a completely different continent on the other side of the planet but South Ossetia is within Georgia and if the separatists don't accept Georgias way of life, fine, go to Russia but stop shelling Georgian villages or send out threats to sabotage Georgias infrastructure. It started like this: Separatists from South Ossetia keep annoying the Georgian government while Georgia wants to be united in order to join the Nato Forces. Georgias president thought he could kill two birds with one stone: Get rid of hostile separatists and get South Ossetia back under georgian control. Seems pretty justified to me, but then Russia comes along, being butthurt. What the hell... They have nothing to do with South Ossetia, nor Georgias business. Attacking Georgia is completely unjustified and stubborn. The Soviet Union is DEAD. Georgia does not have to obey russian politics and ideals anymore.[/QUOTE] The russians are not "invading and taking" the whole of georgia, only South Osettia and ackbazia. Protecting their interests in the region. Just like the americans did in the soviet occupation of afghanistan, when they sent weapons to the mudjahaden... [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=drive_the_hive]To be very honest, I'm as Pro-Georgian as you're Pro-Russian. Georgia is an independent country but Russia does not accept it's Independence. If Georgia thinks that it needs military force to fix stuff within its borders, fine, so be it. It's just like Israels protection wars. If Israel thinks it needs to shell some palestinians to stabilize national security, fine, so be it. America did the same shit with Iraq. NATIONAL SECURITY even though Iraq is on a completely different continent on the other side of the planet but South Ossetia is within Georgia and if the separatists don't accept Georgias way of life, fine, go to Russia but stop shelling Georgian villages or send out threats to sabotage Georgias infrastructure. It started like this: Separatists from South Ossetia keep annoying the Georgian government while Georgia wants to be united in order to join the Nato Forces. Georgias president thought he could kill two birds with one stone: Get rid of hostile separatists and get South Ossetia back under georgian control. Seems pretty justified to me, but then Russia comes along, being butthurt. What the hell... They have nothing to do with South Ossetia, nor Georgias business. Attacking Georgia is completely unjustified and stubborn. The Soviet Union is DEAD. Georgia does not have to obey russian politics and ideals anymore. [b]Edit:[/b] It's Georgias business for gods sakes.[/QUOTE] You would allow the killing of your own country men because "it is georgias business?" Dude that's like saying that the jews being killed under WW2 was "germany's business" and it should not be dealt with.
oh well
[QUOTE=Beafman]The russians are not "invading and taking" the whole of georgia, only South Osettia and ackbazia. Protecting their interests in the region.[/QUOTE] Their interests? It's within Georgias national borders. And they're pretty much "taking and invading". Bombing georgian troops out of Ossetia: Borderline acceptable. Bombing Georgia itself: Unacceptable. [QUOTE=Beafman]You would allow the killing of your own country men because it is georgias business?Dude that's like saying that the jews being killed under WW2 was "germany's business" and it should not be dealt with.[/QUOTE] Comparing the situation in South Ossetia with the holocaust, the death of 6 million innocent human beings is very, very far stretched.
Didn't South Ossetia bring it upon themselves by separating from Georgia? That's like..the civil war. You didn't see Mexico or Canada get involved in that. I don't really know. I'm still confused as to what is going on.
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[QUOTE=nevaeh]Didn't South Ossetia bring it upon themselves by separating from Georgia? That's like..the civil war. You didn't see Mexico or Canada get involved in that. I don't really know. I'm still confused as to what is going on.[/QUOTE] There was agreement , that Georgia won't use force to return South Osetia back, and Russia will be garant of that. Now Georgia breaked agreement. And Russian peacemakers must restore peace. That's all. Soo stop yelling about how small is Georgia and how Big and BAD is Russia. You breaked agreement and began shootout, it won't ignored.
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[quote=CNN]A Georgian National Security Council official said the document signed by Saakashvili called for an unconditional cease-fire by both sides, a non-use of force agreement, a withdrawal of all Russian troops from Georgian territory, including the South Ossetia region, and provisions for international peacekeeping and mediation.[/quote] And if Georgia then invade South Ossetia again after russia pulls out it troops, i will say to hell with georgia...
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]Or Russia for that matter, if Russia moves on Georgia I can see NATO throwing a fit over it, because it will call on NATO to do something about it considering Georgia wants to join NATO.[/QUOTE] What did I miss? :v:
Good this sounds awefully alot like the situation in the movie Threads: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN8-VP810aA[/media]
Can we have some real news now? I'm very confused!
[QUOTE=ray243]Can we have some real news now? I'm very confused![/QUOTE] I can't recomend you my sources because it will born another page of how not to trust russia news. Hovewer i can't recomend you West news too. If you don't live in georgia or South Osetia, i recomend just to shut your ears. Media war is around here.
[QUOTE=karimatrix]I can't recomend you my sources because it will born another page of how not to trust russia news. Hovewer i can't recomend you West news too. If you don't live in georgia or South Osetia, i recomend just to shut your ears. Media war is around here.[/QUOTE] Yeah. And I went to some forums, and they were having a flaming war. Even the internet is at war!
[QUOTE=ray243]Yeah. And I went to some forums, and they were having a flaming war. Even the internet is at war![/QUOTE] I guess you should take a positon of peacemaker. War is good when it does not exist.
I think, that Ukraine will join the war soon, because they doesn't like that Russian submarines are in the Ukrainian Black Sea area.
[QUOTE=Beafman][B]Seems the russians are bombing the georgian presidential palace[/B][/QUOTE] Wow why'd they bomb the presidential palace?
If the WW3 will begin the both sides will die cause of the nuclear war... I hope that WW3 will not begin...
[QUOTE=MrSman]I think, that Ukraine will join the war soon, because they doesn't like that Russian submarines are in the Ukrainian Black Sea area.[/QUOTE] Now that.. is...the most unreal inforamtion about Russia navy i n Black Sea. Serioosly, i'm surprised you did nto said BIG atomic submarines!
Seeing as none of us can trust the others' news we should just buy plane tickets to Georgia and continue the debate there! :keke:
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