• Shit in Georgia/Russia is about to hit the fan
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[QUOTE=Linelor]Primary weapon of the Spartans was the sarissa and the xiphos which were both close range weapons. Far as I know Hoplites didn't carry ranged weaponry and if they did it would just be a Javelin or Pilum. So ammo wouldn't have been an issue.[/QUOTE] Who givvess a shiitt? The now matters lets not argue about the then.
[quote=fox news]Russian forces capture town of Gori, move to within 35 miles of Tbilisi; Georgia rushing troops to reinforce capital; Russians seek meeting with NATO[/quote] Oh fuck, this is getting to serious... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqMiigy92qU[/media]
[QUOTE=Linelor]Someone throw a French guy in the middle and lets see which way he runs. That way we'll know who's winning.[/QUOTE]Hello.
[QUOTE=lurgic]Who givvess a shiitt? The now matters lets not argue about the then.[/QUOTE] Me. The Hegemony era is fucking awesome. But this isn't the place to discuss it so back to the topic. I was just making a point.
I hate it when arguments like these ruin a thread. Woah deja vu.
Kinda hoping Georgia holds out now, they might be fulla jackasses, but Russia's going a bit too far.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Ryan]Kinda hoping Georgia holds out now, they might be fulla jackasses, but Russia's going a bit too far.[/QUOTE] Agreed, I can understand them protecting South Ossetia, I can even understand them damaging military equipment in Georgia itself, but moving into Georgia, and occupying Gori? Now I really am questioning their real motives.
[QUOTE=Beafman]BREAKING NEWS [B](CNN)Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili accuses Russia of ethnic cleansing[/B] For fuck sake! Georgia for the last time, STOP MAKING REASONS FOR RUSSIA TO KEEP FIGHTING ON![/QUOTE] WHHATT!!?? My British friend says that ethnic cleansing is my special power! Lame. Now everyone's gonna start using my powers.
[QUOTE=KillerTV]Agreed, I can understand them protecting South Ossetia, I can even understand them damaging military equipment in Georgia itself, but moving into Georgia, and occupying Gori? Now I really am questioning their real motives.[/QUOTE] I've only seen Georgia claiming Russia has taken over Gori, is there any news sources that confirm that? Reuters says it isn't [url]http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LB161645.htm[/url]
Now the Russians want to charge Saakashvili with war crimes, maybe that means they're gonna go all the way into Tblisi.
I don't see Georgia surrendering, so I don't see why Russia should stop. Even if they did surrender and Russia didn't stop, the government in Georgia is aweful. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaTLvS07qrY[/media]
[QUOTE=SeamanStains]I don't see Georgia surrendering, so I don't see why Russia should stop. Even if they did surrender and Russia didn't stop, the government in Georgia is aweful. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaTLvS07qrY[/media][/QUOTE] Shraftbat + Lube = Fucking win. I liked that series but my Russian isn't that great so I had a hard time understanding it. It's basically the Russian equivalent of Band of Brothers.
Yeah, exept it is about a penal legion that gets shot when they try to run. :v:
In all this confusion only one thing is clear. Georgia's fucked.
As you are all aware, the pictures painted by the two sides of the conflict are very different. In brief summary, here they are: [b]Georgia's story:[/b] Georgian army goes to fight separatists in Tskhinvali. Russia, having earlier handed out passports to most South Ossetians, uses it as an excuse for a disproportionate military invasion during the Olympics and bombs Georgian civilians. Russia tries to bomb the airport full of civilians, but all the 3 bombs aimed at the airport miss and hit a military air base instead, with no casualties. Western powers condemn Russia for such a violent show of force and unanimously ask it to stop. Georgia asks for a cease-fire, Russia says "NYET, we don't trust you Georgians" and keeps fighting. America helps its democratic, pro-Western ally by transporting US-trained Georgian troops from Iraq to the conflict zone in Georgia. Abkhazia sees the opportunity to separate and goes against Georgia, and the Russians help them and open a second front there. Later, Russia captures Gori and keeps moving inland towards Tbilisi. [b]Russia's story:[/b] Georgian army goes to kill all the separatists in Tskhinvali, apparently planning to ethnically clean out South Ossetia while all the news are about the Olympics. The Georgian army devastates Tskhinvali. Thousands of refugees, mostly Russian citizens, flee north from the genocide. Russia can't just sit back and watch the genocide, so it sends peacekeeprers to defend the victims, shortly later a mobile hospital and tonnes of food and medicine to help them. Russian bombers carefully take out military targets and artillery positions. Georgia then plays the victim of a brutal invasion and unleashes a propaganda campaign, grossly understating the amount of collateral damage it caused in Osettia and cutting off Russian television from its cities. Georgia says it's not shooting anymore while asks for a cease-fire, but keeps shooting. Abkhazia joins the resistance against Georgia. For nations outside the conflict, there is unfortunately no sure way to check which side is right. However, it is important to be able to tell which side's story you are hearing or reading, because there is no such thing as perfectly-unbiased news. Google "Dzhindzhikhashvili", then guess which way he's biased. If you live in a Western, English-speaking country, you will probably hear Georgia's story in the news; if you go to a British or American news web site, the chances are, it's Georgia's story. Russia's story is less accessible to western people, mainly because there are no western reporters (that I know of) on the north side of the battlefront. Remember, if you hear something a thousand times, it's not necessarily true; if something doesn't make sense, there are probably pieces missing from the story; just because it comes from a well-known source, doesn't mean it's unbiased. I must admit that I support Russia in this conflict, but I encourage everyone to make up your own mind.
At this point I don't trust either one of them. Not being racist or trying to offend anyone but you can't trust anyone from that region. Ever since the USSR collapsed it's been a shithole of lies and war.
[QUOTE=Bajenovskii]As you are all aware, the pictures painted by the two sides of the conflict are very different. In brief summary, here they are: [b]Georgia's story:[/b] Georgian army goes to fight separatists in Tskhinvali. Russia, having earlier handed out passports to most South Ossetians, uses it as an excuse for a disproportionate military invasion during the Olympics and bombs Georgian civilians. Russia tries to bomb the airport full of civilians, but all the 3 bombs aimed at the airport miss and hit a military air base instead, with no casualties. Western powers condemn Russia for such a violent show of force and unanimously ask it to stop. Georgia asks for a cease-fire, Russia says "NYET, we don't trust you Georgians" and keeps fighting. America helps its democratic, pro-Western ally by transporting US-trained Georgian troops from Iraq to the conflict zone in Georgia. Abkhazia sees the opportunity to separate and goes against Georgia, and the Russians help them and open a second front there. Later, Russia captures Gori and keeps moving inland towards Tbilisi. [b]Russia's story:[/b] Georgian army goes to kill all the separatists in Tskhinvali, apparently planning to ethnically clean out South Ossetia while all the news are about the Olympics. The Georgian army devastates Tskhinvali. Thousands of refugees, mostly Russian citizens, flee north from the genocide. Russia can't just sit back and watch the genocide, so it sends peacekeeprers to defend the victims, shortly later a mobile hospital and tonnes of food and medicine to help them. Russian bombers carefully take out military targets and artillery positions. Georgia then plays the victim of a brutal invasion and unleashes a propaganda campaign, grossly understating the amount of collateral damage it caused in Osettia and cutting off Russian television from its cities. Georgia says it's not shooting anymore while asks for a cease-fire, but keeps shooting. Abkhazia joins the resistance against Georgia. For nations outside the conflict, there is unfortunately no sure way to check which side is right. However, it is important to be able to tell which side's story you are hearing or reading, because there is no such thing as perfectly-unbiased news. Google "Dzhindzhikhashvili", then guess which way he's biased. If you live in a Western, English-speaking country, you will probably hear Georgia's story in the news; if you go to a British or American news web site, the chances are, it's Georgia's story. Russia's story is less accessible to western people, mainly because there are no western reporters (that I know of) on the north side of the battlefront. Remember, if you hear something a thousand times, it's not necessarily true; if something doesn't make sense, there are probably pieces missing from the story; just because it comes from a well-known source, doesn't mean it's unbiased. I must admit that I support Russia in this conflict, but I encourage everyone to make up your own mind.[/QUOTE] Soo far the best info post. Thanks.
[QUOTE=karimatrix]WE say exactly the same about west...[/QUOTE] And you're probably both right. Therefore, all I can suggest is that you always try and find a source who doesn't stand to benefit from lying to you. The BBC for example is probably going to be more accurate than either the georgian or russian news, but if the war was being fought between the UK and Georgia, I'd tell you to go find an American news channel because the BBC would probably be lying. Never trust anyone who can and would benefit from lying.
[quote=CNN]Russian forces advanced into Georgia on two fronts Monday, entering cities outside the breakaway provinces that have been at the center of fighting. The Associated Press reports Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili as saying Russia has effectively cut the country in half.[/quote] damn, this is getting serious. Russia also wants a emergency meeting with NATO. The U.N is also holding an emergency session..
Pretty much if CNN reports on it, though they're a little slower, it's real. I've never in my life seen a miss-report on CNN.
[B]U.S Citizens are being pulled out of Georgia.[/B] [b]Edit:[/b] [quote=wiki]Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili signed an EU-backed ceasefire, [B]but the document was rejected by Moscow[/B]. According to a Reuter's witness, Georgian troops did not cease fire, as six helicopters bombed Tskhinvali on August 11[/quote] [B]REPEAT, CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REJECTED, WAR CONTINUES![/B]
I'm little bit tired to comment about all those reports you post here.Most of them i think is "cakes". I'll check our sources tommorow and the will post full blown report... ...nah i'll post some here. First of all - russian forces destroyed ALL artillery points that could shoot out Tshinval. City now 100% safe. Also about cease-fire agreement. Yes it not sighted, you know why? Because Saakashvili did not sighted it! It is official report, check European news, EU representative right now fly in Moscow with NOT sighted by Georgia agreement! Also - i'm sure you all seen video where Georgian president hides from "russian bombing". You know what happened after that? Saakashivili tried to suicide! His security guard took out pistol from his hands. Looks like even Saakashvili does not believe in victory. Also, i can confirm that russian forces pursue Georgian army to Gori. Soo right now yes, war continuews, because Georgia want it.
[QUOTE=Conscript]I've only seen Georgia claiming Russia has taken over Gori, is there any news sources that confirm that? Reuters says it isn't [url]http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LB161645.htm[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Beafman][B]U.S Citizens are being pulled out of Georgia.[/B] [b]Edit:[/b] "Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili signed an EU-backed ceasefire, but the document was rejected by Moscow. According to a Reuter's witness, Georgian troops did not cease fire, as six helicopters bombed Tskhinvali on August 11" [B]REPEAT, CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REJECTED, WAR CONTINUES![/B][/QUOTE] What would the Reuter's witness(es) have to gain by lying about Gori being deserted and the helicopter attack?
(War continues) [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/1752/warght5.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [B]ONWARD![/B]
[QUOTE=Linelor]You're forgetting that a "300" scenario can't happen in reality. Good soldiers in short supply a military does not make. You have to couple good training with good numbers. Either one alone is worthless.[/QUOTE] I remember reading a story on the BBC website of [B]4[/B] Royal Marines who were pinned down by 200+ Taliban, and still won. And don't go saying something like, "They're Taliban, it's not that hard". From all interviews etc I've read and watched, the Taliban have always been described as a strong fighting force. So yes, "300" scenarios can happen.
[QUOTE=karimatrix]I'm little bit tired to comment about all those reports you post here.Most of them i think is "cakes". I'll check our sources tommorow and the will post full blown report... ...nah i'll post some here. First of all - russian forces destroyed ALL artillery points that could shoot out Tshinval. City now 100% safe. Also about cease-fire agreement. Yes it not sighted, you know why? Because Saakashvili did not sighted it! It is official report, check European news, EU representative right now fly in Moscow with NOT sighted by Georgia agreement! Also - i'm sure you all seen video where Georgian president hides from "russian bombing". You know what happened after that? Saakashivili tried to suicide! His security guard took out pistol from his hands. Looks like even Saakashvili does not believe in victory. Also, i can confirm that russian forces pursue Georgian army to Gori. Soo right now yes, war continuews, because Georgia want it.[/QUOTE] Russian media: Still spewing 50% utter bullshit, 50% sketchy truth. Check the damned BBC and Reuters, neither one benefits from lying. [b]Edit:[/b] [QUOTE=Bad)-(and]I remember reading a story on the BBC website of [B]4[/B] Royal Marines who were pinned down by 200+ Taliban, and still won. And don't go saying something like, "They're Taliban, it's not that hard". From all interviews etc I've read and watched, the Taliban have always been described as a strong fighting force. So yes, "300" scenarios can happen.[/QUOTE] Didn't they all die?
Now Georgia supporters are demanding US and UN for help. There is a short video of them waving and standing outside on CNN. They also say 170 Americans are being evacuated to Armenia. And 300 scenarios is possible as well. There was a situation like that in
[QUOTE=Bitores]Russian media: Still spewing 50% utter bullshit, 50% sketchy truth. Check the damned BBC and Reuters, neither one benefits from lying. [b]Edit:[/b] Didn't they all die?[/QUOTE] The Royal Marines? No. They all survived.
[QUOTE=Bad)-(and]The Royal Marines? No. They all survived.[/QUOTE] I think he meant the "300"
[QUOTE=Tigster]I think he meant the "300"[/QUOTE] No, I meant the Marines. Must've been the group of SEALs I was thinking of then.
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